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By: Artemekiia

Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:53:10 +0000

Wow, I just have to say that the outro music is FANTASTIC. If that were a full length song I'd listen to it all the time XD.

By: Artemekiia

Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:35:30 +0000

Yugh, rolling around in all that gesso was so gross!! I've had gesso all over my hands like that and it DOESN'T COME OFF. Anyway, I do really wish they had done something else with her painting, it wasn't done as well as I thought it could've been. I really think that Katee Sackhoff left the show though because they wrapped it up too nicely. I mean, everyone she had a serious relationship with was resolved, so the basic rule is that when that happens you're dead. Also, it just doesn't work as well without her. You need the goody two shoes (Lee) and the hotshot (Kara). I must say though, I always got the feeling that Starbuck's dad was the nice parent and her mom was the crazy one, since Starbuck had his jacket and his music. I thought that everyone was being really dumb the way they let Starbuck keep going out in her viper because she really was acting wierd. She couldn't even get in her cockpit, for frak's sake. None of them REALLY made her sit down and take a break, although I do understand that things are so crazy that no one really has the time or energy to worry about stuff like that. Seriously though, the ship that Adama broke at the end? That was a $15,000 museum piece that was ON LOAN! Olmos was so into his performance that he just smashed it!

By: Smelsch

Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:02:30 +0000

Sci Fi TV Rules 101: Rule 15: No body recovered = the character assumed to be dead can, and usually will come back.

By: dean

Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:27:05 +0000

Hi Guys, Starbuck theory: She's a Hylon. Her mother was "impregnated" during the first Cylon War and knows that Starbuck is a Hylon. She did all the things she did as a plan - she was programming Starbuck to understand she can rely on others - either Human or Cylon. That's the message. To survive in the human world you can't trust the humans. To survive in the Cylon world you can't trust the cylons. That's also why she freaked on Starbuck and broke her hand with the bugs. You do something bad, you get hurt. You can't be caught - be sneaky. Also her mother pushing her to be the best (17th not good enough). She knows she's special and can be better than all humans. She may be consoling her self with this feeling but that's what she thinks. On the other hand, Leoban knows that Starbuck is a Hylon. He was trying to show Starbuck that she can rely on cylons for support (emotional or otherwise). Dean

By: Audra

Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:54:43 +0000

Wow, Armando, great question. I think I agree with storyknife that there's got to be some middle ground - particularly in television, when the success of the show depends so much on ratings. Sometimes it's irritating to have to consider such things when creating art, but unfortunately, I think, they must do it at least some of the time. For example, killing off Admiral Adama or Laura Roslin may have at some point made a great dramatic event, but if either of those characters were truly "gone" from the show, it'd probably be a disaster for BSG all around. I'd like to say the same about Katee Sackhoff, but at some point they have to prove to the audience that it's not all safe and predictable. I suspect this is what keeps a lot of us coming back - the writing is smart and we're never quite sure what's going to happen. On the other hand, I can respect it if artists want to create art for art's sake, with no feedback or criticism or ratings. In fact, it might be kind of therapeutic. But in TV, I'm not sure it's possible. Who'd give you a contract if they knew you didn't care about audience response? It would have to be AMAZINGLY good stuff. Ultimately...I think I'm back where I began: in the middle. Despite the feel-good value of creating something just for yourself, I think most art should communicate something, or create some kind of connection with people. It's not mandatory, but it's the best way, IMHO.

By: Saberhawk

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:35:02 +0000

An intereesting bit of blog on wired along with subsiquent comments. I must warn you...the subsiquent comments do not stack up to the insights provided here by others. Truly, the best comments and analysis are here. Keep up the great speculation. I believe that after reading everyone's thoughts and conjectures and contemplating.....I think the Hylon route is the most plausible all around. In fact, I believe that all of the F5 are Hylons atm. We do not know what Hylons are capable of so that allows a lot of latitude for the writers. It also allows all this hype to be generated about the show (free BSG publicity). I think (hope) the next three weeks may prove to be the best shows and story arc ever. I will hate the months off. I believe that we will get a "leaked" clue sometime in the fall when they begin filming the next (final possibly) season. If Katee shows up on the set - something WONDERFUL will be happening.

By: storyknife

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:53:37 +0000

Really thoughtful and intriguing question, Armando. This reminds me of the argument about literature between HG Wells and Henry James I read about in an essay by James Gunn. HG Wells was all about writing simple, easily understood prose and reaching as many people as possible with his stories. Henry James wanted to build a cathedral with his novels and so long as it was beautiful and lasted forever he didn't care if anybody came to worship at it or not. That attitude is still around today, one of the reasons sf is treated as such a bastard child, because--horrrors!--anyone can read it (or watch it) and understand it. It's certainly why shows like ST:TNG, Babylon Five and BSG are never nominated for any major awards. Not nearly oblique, obstruse or esoteric enough. So (taking the long way around to an answer to Armando's question) if RDM and the rest write just to please me, I'm going to get bored fast. But if they're building the cathedral just to please themselves, you couldn't get me inside at gunpoint. I have to respect the artist's vision. I have to believe he's smarter than me, that he has a plan, or why would I ever read a book or watch a television show? On the other hand, the artist can't talk down to me, or patronize me, or try to baffle me with bullshit when I know damn well what's going on. It is also my choice as the viewer of his work if I want to walk away (or go do yoga when the show is on). That's the risk the artist takes. If he's got any guts, he will carry on without me. Everyone has made some great comments on this episode, that have really made me think. For me, bottom line, this was a senseless death that contradicted everything that came before. I want to believe that RDM has a plan, but I can't help but wonder--did Sackhoff piss off the producers in some way that made it necessary to write her out of the show? Maybe she was offered a movie deal? There are too many loose ends. I will be happy--no, ecstatic to be confounded if there is indeed a plan and Starbuck does after all have a destiny and it is fulfilled. This just doesn't have that feel to it. But who knows? Maybe I'm just in mourning. Starbuck was a great character and I'll miss the hell out of her.

By: Armando

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:15:16 +0000

You know, Rose's saying that she's done with the show begs a question: what responsibility, if any, does an artist have to his audience? Do Ron Moore, David Eick and the rest of the creative team at BSG really need to worry about alienating audience members through their story choices? Artistic integrity would argue that no, they don't. This is their work as artists (albeit based on somebody else's work) and it is their creative prerogative to take their characters and stories in the direction they need to go. Artistic integrity and artwork are little more than vanity, however, without an audience which posits, therefore, that indeed RDM, DE and the rest of the writing/production staff at BSG do have a responsibility to their audience and should treat their characters/stories in such a way as to not alienate them (and in a commercial medium like television, alienating audience members means loss of revenue which could lead to cancelation). I hope I'm not getting too academic here. As a creative artist myself this is a question I wrestle with a lot and I find it interesting that it's come up here. Forgive me, Rose, but I just don't understand being so attached to a character, unless you saw BSG as simply Starbuck's story (in which case, since her story appears to be over, continuing to follow any further stories within it would be pointless). It's always been about a group of people and while stories focus on some more than others, it's always been a show about ensemble. Granted, Starbuck is a very important part of the show but I don't think you should stop watching simply because her character is dead. Think about the many ways her death will affect everybody on the show from here on. This is a seminal event for these characters and whether Starbuck returns or not, her presence will be felt for a long time. So come on, stick around. Give it a chance! What do you say? :-)

By: Carol

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:51:22 +0000

Thanks, Slingshot!

By: Lt. Slingshot

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:01:14 +0000

Carol and Max... The bit at the end of Grace Park's Q&A was a reference to Blade Runner. It was one of the questions they used to filter out the Replicants. Basically the Blade Runner version of a Cylon detector.

By: Lt. Slingshot

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:31:06 +0000

Rose really sorry to hear you feel that way but I can understand where you are coming from. I’ve always enjoyed your posts here and would hate to see you leave. Regardless of where this goes RDM might have made a poor choice if it drives away viewers who frequent blogs like this. No one loves the show we’ve gotten so far than this community. I’m in the optimistic crowd that their will be more to Kara’s fate but I can certainly sympathize with the crowd that feels cheated by this turn.

By: rose

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:03:23 +0000

Thanks for the nice words. But I am honestly finished with this show. Kara was my favorite character and I am not interested in what happens without her there. I'm sure they have more stories to tell, I just won't be in the audience. If she is dead, I don't want to keep watching. If they bring her back, say in Jan 2008, I will feel completely used. I feel totally used now even though I am sure she is dead. Think of a better way to tell a story guys. This whole season has been downhill since you got off New Caprica. (And yes I am bitter and yes I am unforgiving. I don't have that much time to spend on TV. My time is not to be wasted.)

By: Lt. Slingshot

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:51:35 +0000

Zigdon, the shots that compose the gag reels are shot thoughout the season then editied and played at the casts wrap party at the end of the shooting season. I can't say with any certainty that Katee knew at the time she made her big spoiler announcment but in retrospect it sure seemed she did. At this point the gag reel is spoler free (well maybe not the part we are discussing) but you can find it on YouTube if you search for "galactica gag reel season 3" It's pretty damn funny either way. :)

By: Luc

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:48:46 +0000

I hope that she will be back. It would be great if she would come back in a dramatic fashion when we expect it the least. Maybe she was "pimped" into a part-Cylon as part of a genetical experiment when she stayed at that hospital on Caprica and they now have a couple of spare bodies on a resurrection ship waiting for her demise. Not improbable since Cylon anatomy is supposedly very close to human. They wanted her because she is predited to lead the way to Earth. But she would ultimatly foil them. That would make for a plausible solution and some interesting drama over the fourth season. Imagine Apollo discovering that Kara is now working for the other team... Anyway, hope she comes back in some fashion other than head Starbuck or ghost Starbuck. I'll still be watching the show, even without Starbuck I'm very entertained by it. Cheers!

By: Zigdon

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:43:51 +0000

I expect we'll see Kara return in the last moments of the season, just as part of the cliff hanger. That will allow them to use her in the movie, and be an awesome way to generate suspense for season 4. I don't know much about the gag reel, so I don't know when it was shot? Was it shot after they finished all of season 3? If not, it could very well be that they didn't know at the time that Kara was "doomed". Like just about everyone else I hope she does come back, but not as a head-starbuck. I dunno, it would just seem like an easy-out in my mind - Six and Balthar have some connections we don't quite understand, but it explains why they are in each other's head (literally). Starbuck just won't fit in with that explanation, so they need to come up with something better. If she ejected (and that's a big if, in my mind), she would have had to be picked up immediately by the raider. If she was low enough that the air pressure was enough to blow up the viper, that same air pressure would crush a space suit easily. And I don't think they would have shown her considering the ejection lever and deciding to stay - and then change her mind again, off camera? Just not likely. So what does that leave? Reincarnation in some form (Hylon, Cylon, something completely different); Flashbacks; "Head-Starbuck" or some related spiritual guide/angel thing; Space-time shenanigans (wormhole, teleportation, and such craaaaap); Maybe Kara's kid, cylon raised, grew up really fast? Or something else we can't think of; I think the last one (something else) is the correct answer. The RDM podcast made it clear to me that we're supposed to think she's dead, but also that she'll be back. Or maybe I'm just still in denial!

By: Lt. Slingshot

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:03:29 +0000

Well for anyone looking to hold on for hope of Starbuck's return, there's always the season three gag reel. I won't say what it was expressly since many haven't seen it and if true, is a definite spolier. I will say that the first half of what Katee said has now come true. She might have been being equally as honest about the second half.

By: Armando

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:31:53 +0000

Frank, I don't think killing off Starbuck was about ratings. It's where the story had to go. If you ask me, killing off a central character serves to validate the drama. If Starbuck can die on BSG, then anyone's fair game now (frankly, I think they copped out on this very issue when they cured Roslin's cancer last season, rather than killing her off like they should have). Now the drama will be even more meaningful. You can count me out on that yoga class.

By: Max Peck

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:08:18 +0000

I didn't get the berse Grace read after her viewer questions segment... any theories?

By: Carol

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:38:45 +0000

Say, I just noticed something weird over at In the latest video that they added of Grace Parks answering viewer's questions, she's does so for a while, plugs her new project, then the 'outtro' for those types of sessions is played, leading one to think it is over, but there there is 30 seconds of 'stuff' afterwards. I won't say anything about the content, other than it looks like they may be trying to hide clues (ala LOST).

By: St. Cavil

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:36:29 +0000

Starbuck could always come back as a Head Starbuck. But in who's head? Lee's? Adama's? Ander's? That could be part of her destiny, to lead them to earth, while residing in "the place between life and death"; as Head Starbuck.

By: frank

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:32:28 +0000

Armando, I think you may be right. Starbuck doesn'y have to be here for her destiny to play out. It's almost sad that in order to make noise and boost ratings in this new day you have to kill off major characters. I remember on this website that when we were predicting which one of the characters was going to die, the majority thought it would be Starbuck, now that it has happened we are all surprised, I am too, we should all start joining storyknife at Rose's yoga class. Athenor, it might be time for you to jot down a few more theories about the last three episodes of this season, keeping in mind that season four may be the last, so shouldn't we start seeing some resolutions to some issues and not so many more things happening that are gonna require resolution? Your theories are pretty good, I am anxious to see what you have to say.

By: Armando

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:18:20 +0000

I really don't think you're going to be seeing Kara Thrace much anymore, Storyknife. I think we're all in denial thinking of ways that she could come back. There may be a flashback or two, but I imagine that these will consist of scenes of hers that have already played in the past three seasons. Her destiny will still play out, though. I do think her role in this particular story is done, however. Exeunt omnes.

By: Armando

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:15:45 +0000

Oh come on, Rose! I think you misunderstand RDM's explanation of how the idea to kill off Starbuck came about. It doesn't strike me as a merely "audacious idea" but, rather, as the inevitable conclusion to the story they were telling.

By: storyknife

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:08:11 +0000

I hope Slingshot et al are right and Starbuck's destiny has yet to play out, and certainly RDM has a vested interested in making us all believe that she is dead, dead, dead. Anybody watch Buffy? Remember Spike sacrificing his life to close the Hellmouth? A poignant scene, made markedly less so because we all knew he was resurrecting on Angel the following year. If they do bring her back in some cheesy way, a ghost or a saint or a deity or something equally awful, I'm joining Rose's yoga class.

By: Lt. Slingshot

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:53:44 +0000

Rose don't give up yet! There may have been more to the audacious idea than can be revealed now. Maybe it's wishful thinking but I have a feeling we've only seen part one of that idea.

By: rose

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:43:48 +0000

I'm done with this show. I am sure that I am not the only one. Listen to the podcast, they only did this because they had this "audacious idea" to kill Kara. I hate them for that: this is the best idea you could come up with? Now I can go back to yoga on Sunday night and not feel like I am missing anything.

By: Lt. Slingshot

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:40:01 +0000

Cavatar, I just finished listening to the RDM podcast and I honestly don’t think we’ve seen the last of Kara Thrace. There’s nothing that would hold up in a Colonial court that I can site but there are little moments with him and Mrs. Ron that make me think we’ll see her again. Things like the conversations with the network execs about their plan, the call to Katee and Mrs. Ron’s sign off made me think there could be more to it than can be revealed now. There’s no way with such a shocker that RDM would ever let us know that she wasn’t truly dead at this point and plenty of reasons to feed the finality of her passing. It could still go either way and still be valid in the BSG universe. It wouldn’t shock me one bit if we never see her again or in the season four opener she’s in the opera house in the first scene.

By: Cavatar

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:48:47 +0000

I at first did not think that Starbuck was dead, dead; however after listening to the RDM podcast my thoughts have changed. We all seemed to agree that they would not start the new storylines and then kill her, but is that what they really did? The Anders story line that was thrown into our face at the beginning, but that was not a new storyline. It began at the start of season two. Her relationship with Lee Adama was also not new, yes it has evolved greatly over the three seasons but they were friends long before the attack. Now the “Eye of Jupiter” is new, but only a new twist. The Starbuck destiny has been with since the second half of season one. All they did was add more depth to it. I think that Starbuck might return far later with the destiny story line, in her exploration of what lies between life and death; at least sometime after the cliff hangers of season three are concluded in the beginning of season four. I also wanted to add that her being killed off with all these lose ends might have not have been in the style of every other television show, but that is just one of the reasons why BSG is the best out on TV. What RDM did was give an since or realism to her death, how often in real life do you have everything resolved before your demise. There is something to be said for reminding us all the issues she had unfinished in her life before it came to an end. I personally don’t think she ejected, all they were doing was showing us that she thought about it before changing her mind, when she said to Lee that she was ready. I sort of hope that she did eject and live, because I will miss Starbuck; she was one of my favorites in the new BSG and Starbuck was my childhood favorite character in the old BSG. Nothing’s the same anymore. Cavatar

By: Cavatar

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:20:40 +0000

I will miss Starbuck...but this is the only episode that I think was better than "33". Cavatar

By: By your Command

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:38:45 +0000

It´s been a while since I post anything anywhere, but this is definitely the perfect time to do it. I love this podcast, and read almost every comment, but since I live in Colombia i have to see the episode by other means, i actually listen to the podcast the day after i watch the episode on my way to college. Anyway, the episode was great and i agree with everyone, Katte can´t leave the show, I could understand her absence in the next 3 episodes because it´s not like she has appeared in every episode of every season, but she has to come back either in the last second of this year´s finale or in the first 45 minutes of the next season, next year, the show definitely needs her, and I couldn´t bear to watch it without her, the next 9 months are going to be interesting in seeing what RDM and company are going to decide to try to please the majority of the fanbase, and when it comes to the deaths of major characters every decision is tough, because: a) they could bring her back with a crappy explanation , and it could ruin the show forever, making it incredibly cheesy (and i think the show has handled the deaths of important secondary characters with great respect, like for example Billy´s picture as a big reminder, the memorial hall, etc..) b) they could leave her dead, the "24" approach, but since this show it´s not about one major character (i.e Jack Bauer) it could upset people who have seen the show with Starbuck all this time, and would by then (9 months) be in serious Starbuck withdrawal. I really, really hope Starbuck survives, and i frankly don´t care how: be it Hylon, or Boomer type "mom and dad dying in mines, and other parents buying elephants when she became an officer" fake memories, or "Wow thank the gods i landed safely on that heavy raider and married Leoben on a private ceremony on a baseship" explanations. I needs me my Starbuck.

By: storyknife

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:18:05 +0000

I love the life/death questions, too, Armando, and not just of the individual but of the whole race. Starbuck didn't just die here, she committed suicide. She deliberately flew into the planetary storm which she'd test driven the day before, she intimately familiar with the point of no return in this storm. She knew her head was frakked and she flew anyway (and at Apollo's instigation, too, and how is that going to play out?). I think command on Galactica had fallen into the habit of seeing Starbuck flying frakked and coming back anyway, and this time they didn't recognize that this might be one flight too many. Although I would think Starbuck sitting under her viper for hours when she was supposed to have been on the wing (almost said in the air) might have been a tiny clue. Okay, so far as it goes, but this death seems rushed to me, especially after everything we've watched Starbuck do on plain and simple faith, sometimes not even her own faith (going back after the arrow for the president for one thing). I like a little more method in my madness. That said, Athenor, you're right about BSG payoffs, and I am willing to wait for this one. If it doesn't come, I'm going to feel ripped off in a major way. And I gotta say, I do not see Starbuck as a Cylon or as one of the Five. This whole Five storyline makes me uneasy anyway, getting a little too woowoo out for plain old hardheaded me. I like the idea of the humans and the Cylons eventually coming together as one race, biggerbetterfaster, but there is going to have to be some brisk writing to get around the Cylons' original intent to wipe out their better half, if that's what humanity is. In re the podcast, I haven't even listened to the Watercooler Maelstrom podcast yet as iTunes didn't upload the episode Maelstrom until Tuesday afternoon and I didn't get to see it until I carved 45 minutes out of last night. It was TORTURE not to read the posts. I'm glad I didn't, though, because I was spoiler free for the episode, which I should have said right up front is powerful and haunting. Katee Sackoff is a marvelous actress, I'm looking forward to seeing her work in future.

By: Armando

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:34:51 +0000

Sorry about the double post after an already long one, but what other show on TV leads to questions about life and death like this? I'm hard pressed to think of one.

By: Armando

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:34:07 +0000

I hear your concerns, Storyknife, but as Athenor points out, the show has a tendency to leave these things hanging until a resolution presents itself further down the line (heck, "Maelstrom" went all the way back to season one for some of the threads it tied up). The fact that the issue with the mandala-or whatever RDM calls it-/Eye of Jupiter was left unresolved was infuriating, to be sure, but it also leads me to agree with the Starbuck is not QUITE dead (I'm getting better! I think I'll go for a walk!) camp. Mind you, I think she's DEAD. Pushing up the daisies. Torn down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. She's now an EX-Starbuck (I think I'm channeling the spirit of John Cleese today!). BUT...I think we will still see her again, somehow, because her death is obviously a matter of great importance to the fate of humanity. On death and destiny: Kara's destiny was, on a personal level, to face and conquer her fear of death (isn't that ALL of our destinies in life, after all?). It seems to me that if her fate is, indeed, special and her death was necessary as a sacrifice to lead humanity to salvation (and I definitely got a messianic vibe from Starbuck towards the end...but not in a Mua'dib sense, alas), then her personal quest needed to be faced and undertaken in order for her special destiny to be accomplished. One thing you said on the podcast, Chuck, has stayed with me: death is not beautiful. That line struck me too, although I'm not sure I completely disagree. Not ALL deaths are beautiful, certainly, but it seems that Kara's mother was at least able to die with dignity on her own terms (she didn't seek any medical help to try to stop the already metastasized cancer but faced her imminent demise with grit), which does, to me, have a kind of beauty. The fear of death is a very real part of the human condition (hence the success of religion, which in its most primal, basic sense-keep this in mind, its MOST BASIC sense; I'm not trying to bash religion entirely-is a coping mechanism for dealing with these fears) that we must all face, one way or another. Some of us face it succesfully, some of us don't. I guess the only way to know for sure is to get to the end of the parade. To face death with courage and dignity is a hard, hard thing, I'm sure. The fact that Kara was able to do so is, in a way, enlightening on its own. That her death might eventually mean the salvation of humanity by leading them to earth would make her transcendent.

By: St. Cavil

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:31:02 +0000

I agree with you storyknife and Athenor. Those posting that Starbuck is dead dead, yeah right. They wouldn't go through the whole backstory about her mother, the painting, and this 'destiny' to just simply kill her off and never speek of her again. We'll see her again, or at least the results of whatever it is she is doing next. Hopefully it will be before the final episode. They land on Earth and discover that Starbuck did eject, fell asleep drifting in space, then woke up floating over Earth......sorry I had to.

By: Athenor

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:18:52 +0000

Podcast, you mean RDM's? I had that by monday evening. And... decent resolution. You do realize that could come 3 seasons down the road, right? Just checking.. considering that's been the style of the show up till now. =P

By: storyknife

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:52:32 +0000

This is "destiny?" Flying into a storm on a gravity giant and getting squished? This is even worse than Tasha Yar getting slurped by the goo monster. I suppose, on the face of it, a frakked up pilot dying a frakked up death makes sense, and I don't have a problem with major characters dying on a show. If you only kill off red shirts, death becomes cheap and meaningless. But what about the paintings? What about Leoben's preditions? The seer's channeling his predictions? This is too good a show to be this sloppy. There has to be a decent resolution of Starbuck's destiny or RDM and I are done. PS--What the HELL is up with iTunes not getting the podcast of the episode up until this afternoon????

By: eric-michael

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:02:06 +0000

too too too many clues to have really killed off starbuck ... for christ sake .. the god of the new dawn? I love the show, but now I'm waiting for a lot of these scenes to be in a "previously on Battlestar" along with a deleted scene that explains everything to be in some future episode so I can understand what the frak happened in this episode.

By: Athenor

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:19:51 +0000

Well, I hate to say it, but we're entering territory now where a "spoiler" style tag would be useful. But I don't know if Wordpress would allow it. I wonder if spin-off podcasts are a possibility? I know I'd love to talk about this more (my posts match my mental processes), but I don't want the GWC guys getting burnout from producing multiple shows a week, especially if they aren't getting paid or sponsored. Yet I can't get my fix in one-week increments either. Ever wonder if RDM visits here?

By: Pike

Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:56:42 +0000

Yeah, unless you're getting your fix via iTunes, Athenor. In that case EVERYONE has more time to do analysis than you do... Frakers. BTW, suggestion. Set aside a separate "RDM 'cast" discussion topic. I think a lot of us now (and especially those of us using Tivo or iTunes) are hitting BSG Episode-->GWC Frak Party-->GWC 'cast-->GWC 'cast discussion-->RDM 'cast. Unfortunately, we get a lot of RDM 'spoilers' in here.

By: Athenor

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:56:26 +0000

Keep in mind, the podcasts are done RIGHT after the eps. We get to do a lot more evaluation and analysis after the fact.

By: Its Boxey (O gods no)

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:52:15 +0000

who heard the RDM podcast about the ship hehehe

By: Nacho

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:09:12 +0000

Hey, I listened to your pod cast and am almost done but you said she hallucinated the cylon raider but I think Apollo saw it to near the end when he sees Kara he sees the Raider. Now, I think that it is real because in that particular seen we are seeing it through Apollo's point of view not Starbuck. So my guess is the Raider was making Starbuck see these images to take her away from Galactica.

By: sonicdave

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:13:47 +0000

So say we all

By: Armando

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:40:07 +0000

So, I'm making it through the podcast slowly, as usual, but I wanted to make one quick comment regarding the shot of Starbuck holding to the ejector. Even if she did change her mind and ejected from her viper, the planet she was on is a gas giant. That means it has no surface, which means she's dead either way. Unless she's a Hylon, which is a theory with some merit. She might just be dead, though. (See my post on Sean's thread on Starbuck's fate.) Keep up the good work, guys! :-)

By: Armando

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:36:38 +0000

So say we all, Sonicdave!

By: sonicdave

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:53:18 +0000

well, i have to respectfully disagree with Saberhawk . i think the last 3 episodes have been quite good. Very good stories and insightful character development,especially a day in the life i actually found the first 45 minutes of maelstrom to be extremely boring. maybe because i don't like the starbuck charater,more likely to do with the fact that i find katee sackhoff to be the weak link in the acting ensemble. so,i'm kind of glad to see her go. she was chewing so much scenery they barely had a ship left. RE: Cavatar's comments about things never being the same again. i don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.i listened to ronald d moore's podcast and he said that he feels that they are entering the third act of their overall story arc and there will be resolutions and such. plus ,last years finale had 4 major revelations. 1baltar defeating rosyln for the presidency. 2brother cavll telling them that the cylons wanted peace 3. the settlements on new caprica 4. the cylons occupation of new caprica any show that can successfully reinvent a show to that degree can keep on course minus starbuck. i have a lot of faith in ronald d. moore as a showrunner and the quality of the writing and the story telling by his staff

By: Athenor

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:28:11 +0000

I'm sorry, it was the writer's guild. If you hop over to Wikipedia and look up the webisodes, the writer's guild is kind of pissed over them because they are considered "promotional," and therefore don't fall under the normal union laws. It might be minor, and studios and unions butt heads all the time. But it's just interesting to note.

By: Saberhawk

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:12:58 +0000

Althenor, could you elaborate more on the difficulties between the actors union and BSG?

By: Jim

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:15:54 +0000

The 13th Cylon - That sounds about right. I'm thinking that they (Universal/NBC) told RDM and DE that this is it. The ratings have not changed enough to let the series go beyond the 4th season. Hopefully there will be a 4th season and they can wrap things up. I've seem them kill Farscape after they told them it was going for two more seasons and then they only got one. Sure this series is alot better then that one but anything can happen.

By: Zigdon

Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:07:06 +0000

Something just occurred to me - we don't actually know that all the visions Kara saw of her mother were actually true, do we? I mean, for all we know, her mom died just as bitter and mad as she was when Kara left the apt, and maybe whatever's pushing her destiny decided that THIS is what she needed to see to move her on. Similar to the oracle in The Matrix - doesn't tell you what will be (or what was in this case), but what you need to hear.