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Updated: 2014-03-13T20:55:14.183-05:00

 



Helping ourselves gives us the ability to self com...

2007-02-13T08:07:00.000-05:00

Helping ourselves gives us the ability to self comfort. this is a real necesity when opening up to others is impossible.



Rivka, You see beyond your courtyard. You, who kno...

2007-02-12T22:53:00.000-05:00

Rivka, You see beyond your courtyard. You, who know such mortal pain, offer empathy, kindness, support. Even while you struggle you still reach beyond yourself. Your transcend even your own pain. You have great courage and wisedom. You help me strive beyond myself simply by your own honest example. Thank you.
Peace.
Remson



Rivka,You should never assume that your congregati...

2007-02-12T18:59:00.000-05:00

Rivka,

You should never assume that your congregation is as heartless and self-involved as you portray it. As someone who lives with depression and anxiety, I am able to see the impact it has on the people around me- friends, family, people I encounter at shul...

Sure, they don't understand what you're going through. On a bad day,I don't understand what I'm going through- how could I expect that of anyone else, especially someone without professional training?

Of course, people do have a communal obligation to help one another. But part of the pact is that we have to be willing to help ourselves, otherwise this places a responsibility on others which they may not be emotionally equipped to handle. If someone is acting in a way that seems irrational and unstable, they can't realistically expect people around them to be lining up to hug and soothe them in any situation.

You must get effective professional help. Please take up your search for a psychiatrist. Your condition needs to be monitored. You must make sure your meds are correct and dosed properly. You must seek hosptalization, if necessary.

I hear your pain and I can relate to much of it. Please help yourself. Once you've reached a level of stability, things will begin to fall into place. Good luck & you're in my prayers.



Tzipporah: that is very disheartening and sad, par...

2007-02-12T18:33:00.000-05:00

Tzipporah: that is very disheartening and sad, particularly that others weren't interested enough to help. It shouldn't be about whether or not we're interested, it should be about contributing to community. But I know that's not reality. It makes me sad. Where do people turn when they are in need?



Anon/Rabbi 2/12: I think that would be fine, and t...

2007-02-12T18:28:00.000-05:00

Anon/Rabbi 2/12: I think that would be fine, and thank you for checking. I purposely did not list an email. If I cannot say it publicly even though anonymously, then maybe it shouldn't be said at all.

I suppose there is a possibility that my rabbi might wind up receiving such a forward and finding this blog. He would most certainly know who I am. I know I said that if I knew he was reading this, I couldn't write it anymore, but I'm not so sure that's true now. I have done everything possible here to give him the benefit of the doubt, to acknowledge that hundreds of people both in and out of his congregation want his time, his energy, his attention. I am only one. I think I will have to do a second What I want my rabbi to know post.

After all that, yes it would be fine to send a link. If it helps others, it is worth the risk of my rabbi finding me. And I'm not even sure if that would be a bad thing.



Ayelet: there have been times I thought about leav...

2007-02-12T18:09:00.000-05:00

Ayelet: there have been times I thought about leaving, though it would mean moving to a new home and changing schools for the children, so it would be a very big decision. But I have been here for well over a decade; this is my family. I can't leave them. I don't know if they even want to learn, but as you said, it's worth giving them the chance.

anon 2/11: I agree completely. Unfortunately, I know many parents who do not, and further, don't care.

Rabbi wac: thank you. Words cannot convey what it means to be seen even through my computer screen. I will definitely post what I can within the confines of anonymity and appropriateness. I wasn't able to get a hold of him today to schedule an appointment, but I will try again tomorrow.



Rivka,we had the same problem in our shul, so we s...

2007-02-12T14:52:00.000-05:00

Rivka,

we had the same problem in our shul, so we started a committee to try to generate ideas of how we can be more welcoming and make sure nobody slips through the cracks. Guess what? All the people who cared about this signed up for the committee, only to find that we are already doing everything we can individually, and nobody else is interested enough to help. Kind of makes me want to leave the shul, except that ALL religious communities are like this. So I just left the committee.



I would have emailed you the following, but I can'...

2007-02-12T14:12:00.000-05:00

I would have emailed you the following, but I can't find an email address for you:

Your post was forwarded to me by a friend. Your message is very important to me; thank you for expressing it so well.

I am a synagogue rabbi, and I would like to send a link to your post to other synagogue rabbis I know. At the same time, I don't want to blow your cover. So I am asking first: Would it be all right to forward a link to your post to other rabbis?



Hi Rivka,Your words are as heartrending as they ar...

2007-02-12T12:46:00.000-05:00

Hi Rivka,

Your words are as heartrending as they are eloquent. I am glad that you appreciate the difficulties a rabbi faces. I hope you will post the results of your conversation with your rabbi, to the extent possible.

I have posted a link to your blog from mine, where we have been talking about this issue from the rabbi's perspective as well as that of the congregant.

I also expect to send some of your comments to congregants of mine who might be able to learn from them to help others.



This education of empathy & sensitivity can and sh...

2007-02-11T20:49:00.000-05:00

This education of empathy & sensitivity can and should be taught at the youngest age possible and reinforced within the school's curriculum.



I think that is an excellent idea. i keep thinkin...

2007-02-11T17:31:00.000-05:00

I think that is an excellent idea. i keep thinking as I read your posts, "What do you need this shul for? Find a circle of people that will be supportive." But I realize now that that, in a way, is the selfish response. Your approach is the nobler one. You seek to right the wrong and to help everyone grow. I think that is so admirable. I really respect you for that. You are absolutely right. People can be taught what to do. It's definitely worth giving them the chance. Let us know how the meeting with the rabbi goes.

Feel good. You're still in our prayers.