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By: ikkarus

Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:47:08 +0000

Maybe it's just my own personal, stubborn love for and faith in Boomer, but did anyone else read Tyrol's thoughts in his silence during the F4 revelation as "What about Boomer?" I just kept hearing him think "OMG This is how Boomer felt ..." as Tigh said "What about Ellen?" I hope Boomer/Chief business is revisited in season 4 in some way. I thought, 'I know Chief told Apollo he didn't think about Boomer anymore while drinking at Joe's ... but HE'S THINKING ABOUT BOOMER NOW!' Although we didn't get much Boomer in S3, I didn't buy the whole Boomer not caring about Galactica or Chief anymore for a second, despite what lead to Caprica breaking her neck and all. I know we'll probably never get two Eights in the fleet, but I'm hoping we haven't seen the end of Boomer's story.



By: Lt. Slingshot

Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:09:07 +0000

Does anyone have a link to the recent RDM interview where he talks about the reveal of the four being cylons? I've heard it talked about but can't seem to find it. Thanks in advance.



By: Audra

Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:58:35 +0000

Jaz, Holy craaaap - that's a great theory, and completely original, as far as I know, here on GWC. I'll have to think more on it, but post more if you can on that one! Audra



By: Mike D

Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:24:02 +0000

Regarding the Death Star, Looney pointed out… The nebula most likely did not cause the power outage. There was a probe left by the 13th tribe as a marker to earth in the lions head nebula. So here are some interesting points: 1) As they approached the nebula the ( music / switch ) seemed to get stronger, so possibly this is another beacon, only more powerful that caused the music and the power outage. 2) After Lee pursues the unknown contact, the dradis starts malfunctioning, possibly interference from the large object. 3) If you watch this scene closely, Starbuck does the pass from behind, based on that vantage point It appears that she is definitely real which makes good since for the show. 4) The more I watch this scene the more convinced I am that something is there. Especially the way the scene is cut, it’s too subtle and clever. 5) Kara could be leading / drawing Lee toward the object, so I think Kara saying “Lee I want to show you something” in season 4 is entirely possible. 6) Kara also said she had been to Earth, perhaps the object could contain some type of portal. At first I was skeptical about the object, but the more I watch that scene, the way it’s cut, and think about the power outage and the final four having their memories activated, I become more convinced that something is there. I don’t know if Looney was the first to point this out but good job spotting it.



By: Bandwidth Bandito

Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:05:23 +0000

Spoiler for Season 4 Apollo: I'm going to chase those Cylons there heading for that small moon! Starbuck: Wait that's no moon it's... a space station. Tigh: (over comms) Stop going on about that Crrraaaapp! It's nothing but pareidolia! P.S. (I will be happy to be proven wrong on this one, but come on; this frame by frame analysis stuff gives us nerds a bad name; especially when Apollo would have theoretically been looking right at the bloody thing at the time and said nothing.)



By: Athenor

Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:15:33 +0000

Hey! I actually finished listening to #35! Cool, they mentioned my "Battlestar Galactica Break Support Group" idea! BSGBSG/BSG^2... whee. =)



By: Pike

Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:18:37 +0000

ZOMG! It's the Death Star!! No, seriously, I don't see it. Is that the shot from inside Lee's cockpit right after he picks up the contact on his dradis? You might be seeing reflections from his instruments on the canopy. Or, I could just be missing it. Can someone do a screencap?



By: Jaz

Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:33:57 +0000

Hey everyone, Has anyone thought about the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse and the 5 horsemen, which was supposedly their leader, Christ? I didn't read every post, so I may have missed this theory...but I wanted to throw this out there. The last line of the Dylan song made me think of this: "Two riders were approaching..." Maybe the cylons are part of our earth's Judeo-Christian mythology/religion? If Christ was a cylon and he was married to Mary Magdalane, does that mean their entire bloodline are cylons?...oh wait, wrong area of pop culture... ...or is it?



By: Dan, the Lord of Kobol

Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:23:00 +0000

Another *great* cast from you the GWC crew. If I have time, I'll phone in a little blurb about my theory on Baltar for the listener 'cast. Audra kind of touched on it, but I want to take it to the next step. Something Lawyer Bill said made me think, though. I really appreciate the effort Sean, Chuck, and Audra put into GWC. You guys add a little sprinkle of excitement to my life, and I'm very thankful for it. Anywho! Loved the cast and I thought it was a ridiculously great bang to end the season with. Kudos.



By: The Lonely Toaster

Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:42:35 +0000

Mike D: That mystery ship is shown in two quick shots. I just single framed through them again. At the very top of the frame (when the camera jerks up) there seemed to be a slightly greenish tinted part with smooth curves hidden in the shadows. Maybe a docked base star? And upon playing it again in real time, this time focusing my attention on that top part of the screen, I definately saw what looked like an electrical pulse flowing over it. It even repeats in the second tiny shot. I'd say you're dead on about it causing the power outage. Lee even seems to be looking at this "ship" before he is distracted by Starbuck. ...And you have to assume Kara is somehow connected to this thing. She'd obviously be able to see it too, and she's cool as a frozen cuke. (assuming she's not just a vision, of course) -TLT



By: Mike D

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:48:12 +0000

Looney: That’s an interesting observation, even though I’ve probably watched it many times I never noticed it. As for it being a ship or something along those lines, there are a couple of stars in front it. If you are right maybe they are lights. I definitely see the bottom of a large sphere shaped object, good catch. Maybe that’s what knocked out the power.



By: Mike P

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:42:59 +0000

Mike D writes: > Me, too -- I just hope the show will still hold up once all is revealed at the end. I'd hate for it to be just a puzzle show where all the fun was had in the journey, and none at the destination.



By: The Lonely Toaster

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:25:40 +0000

Though I'm a regular podcast listener, I am neither a typist nor a lurker, so this is is the first time I've been to the site. I've only skimmed the forum to see if this has been covered, so if it has, please forgive me. Anyway, in the finale when Lee is flying through the orange nebula looking for his bogey, right before Kara shows up, there seems to be a break in the clouds. In the dark purply blackness that at first I thought was space, there seems to be revealed some kind of huge spacecrafty machinery. I'm talking deathstar sized geometry filling the whole area beyond the clouds. It appears to be part of a giant cylinder or disc, with some thin ribbing along some edges picking up highlights. Did I miss something? Should I know what this is? -The Lonely Toaster



By: Mike D

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:55:09 +0000

Mike: Good point about the oldest sci-fi gimmick, where did we come from. When you consider earth history and the multiple gods and the similarities to the show. Then consider that the cylons have “one true god”, same as most earth religions, it seems they have been setting this up from the start. So I can see RDM pulling this off in a clever way that is exciting, satisfying and compelling. When they get to earth: There are so many ways they could play this out, and the biggest questions is where did Starbuck get that viper? 1) Captured by the cylons. 2) From the 13th Tribe I don’t think RDM is going to do “save earth from the cylons” they have already been making the cylon interactions less battle oriented and more interpersonal. Another big question is Baltar, I see him as one of the hero’s in the final plot where the cylons and humans ultimately become a race. This has also been setup for quite some time and I think Baltar and Six will instrumental in this. Felix: There is something in store for him, something big. He keeps doing things that never quite come full circle. Perhaps he allies with Baltar, and his disgust for Baltar has been that Baltar reminds him of himself and his selfishness. Starbuck is alive because she will die again. She will sacrifice her life to save the child who represents the future of human cylon civilization. This is what her mother was preparing her for. I also love the speculation, it’s what makes the show so great, an ever unfolding mystery done so well. It just keeps you thinking.



By: Pike

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:55:22 +0000

13, well, probably for the best then. That'll take two eps. out of rotation for the "crappy filler of the middle of the season" award...



By: Mike

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:54:58 +0000

Mike D: I suppose you are on to something. Finding out that we are all hylons would be a logically satisfying conclusion. Given that we already have an "Adam" in "Adama," though -- whether Bill or Lee, who knows? -- it also sounds disappointingly similar to the old sci-fi trope of "This is the story of how the human race came to be." Like that old Twilight Zone episode where "Adam" and "Eve" are the survivors of a rocket crash. So while you make a convincing case (or at least propound a compelling theory) that the ending is, we will all be hylons -- wouldn't that kind of bum you out, deep down? It's one of the oldest sci-fi cliches in the book, and this series just deserves to be so much more than remembered as "a four-year set up for the old Adam-and-Eve story." Also: Elosha states in the miniseries (which I've watched twice now in preparation for the great Re-Watch! ) that Earth is supposedly where a thirteenth tribe of humans fled from Kobol. Isn't the implication that we are the 13th tribe? (Maybe I am reading too much of old BSG into new BSG on this point.) That the decimated 12 tribes are going to join up with us, their brothers and sisters from long ago, to survive? I guess that doesn't undermine the "we are all hylons" too much, though... Anyway, thanks for sparking some interesting thoughts. (BTW, there's no "forum" around here, is there? I love the podcast, love the comments, but a message board might be a more efficient way to communicate with each other -- or at least have the option of sending messages by clicking on user names in the comments... that way the e-mail addresses could still be private? Just wondering. Thanks for a really awesome site!)



By: 13th Cylon

Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:16:11 +0000

Pike, from everything that I've heard, it's going to be technically 2 of the 22 episodes. I would imagine it is considered part of Season 4 and thus in the same budget and all. It's supposed to be like two episodes from the regular season yanked out to give us a little to drool over for a few months/weeks and for them to sell some DVDs- as this was Universal Home Video's idea. But now that I mention that, I'm assuming that it wouldn't be included in a Season 4 DVD set. RDM says they're "bonus episodes" and I hope they don't waste my time like the "bonus scenes". Season 4 is the "bonus season"! lol Maybe the bonus scene went the way of the dodo with the last two episodes being bonus free.



By: Pike

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:51:44 +0000

Ray, from what I've heard, the Pegasus Project* is separate from Season Four, budget-wise. Have you heard differently? *I have to start a band with that name now



By: Audra

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:49:24 +0000

Zice: We were pretty delighted to learn (from a GWC fan who emailed us) that Stern mentioned the site. My observation is probably the same as others' - the number of comments seems to be steadily rising. 13th: Good point - although I still think that with good writing they could pull off Earth as a new setting. They did it on New Caprica for a while! Banwidth Bandito: I completely agree! I always thought the five "place-holders" at the bottom of the lights were what we're supposed to be looking at.



By: Ray

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:05:13 +0000

I'm liking this area of speculation: If season 4 is the last (which I strongly believe, and am a supporter of, although I LOVE the show, I just want it to have a dramatically satisfying ending rather than drag it out for as long as possible before it finally jumps shark and dies), then we'll have 20 episodes next year (because 2 of the re-order are apparently used up by the Pegasus Movie), so what will the big mid-season cliffhanger be? Hoping the final, final minutes of the show will wrap everything up and answer the questions we have without raising any extra ones, i.e. not ending on another cliffhanger, but a proper ending. I think if the last moment is the Fleet reaching Earth orbit, that would be a cop-out, so we need to find out eventually when this is all taking place relative to us. So I think the best mid-season cliffhanger they could have (bearing in mind they've got to sustain another 10 episodes past this point) would be the death of Roslin, as they reach Earth orbit, leaving us with the promise of landing on Earth after the hiatus and finding out what is really going on. And here's another thing to stew on. With Galactica's current state, i.e. still needing massive repairs, and the cylons having 5 basestars in pursuit, there's no way our favourite battlestar would survive very long in a fight. So how are the cylons going to be overcome? Either they go the Matrix route and end with a truce between the two sides because there's no chance of victory, or the Hylon generation unites them, or... what? I don't see what else they could do as they're apparently so close to arriving at Earth, they're not going to give the cylons the slip this late in the game. Unless they miraculously bring back the cylon disease of Torn/Salvation, but I don't see that happening. I'm just so excited because this is BY FAR the best show I've EVER seen on TV. I can't wait to see it come to a complete and satisfying end, at which point I will probably watch the whole series on a loop, one episode per day for as long as is humanly possible. Did I mention I like this show?



By: BoxytheBoxed

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:54:31 +0000

i think Adama will die before the promise land i will go out there and say i was #1 in saying that the bible promise land thing, but i like the Rosilin thing, but i dont think Rosilin will die. I think lee and Adama will have to resolve, and right before Adama dies he will pass on the leadership of the fleet to him



By: Requiem

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:43:53 +0000

Martin K, you just convinced me that the RTF isn't going to find earth anytime soon. BSG just wouldn't be good for very long with out Roslin!



By: Mike D

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:26:23 +0000

My gut says that earth will not be the thriving modern population that it is today, and their arrival will be tied into our past bringing the false gods / one true god full circle. And it will turn out that we are all hylons, the descendants of the cylons and the humans when they finally came to peace. No flying motorcycles, no viper cloaking devices. The last two episodes before the mid season 4 break: Part 1, the dying leader dies. Part 2, they visit earth and there is some other great mystery. I say this because I think they will leave us with OMG we are all cylons and you can’t set that up in one episode. And oh yes, Starbuck will give her life to save the life of the child that represents the future of the hylon race.



By: Mike P

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:09:09 +0000

I hope Mike D is right about the finding of Earth being the mid-season point of season 4. I think, even with the risk of dating the show, there needs to be some idea of how whoever is on Earth at the time (if anyone -- assuming it is not distant past or far, far future) reacts to the fleet showing up. I am trusting that RDM and the other creators, actors, writers can make it much better than "Galactica 1980." :-)



By: Mike D

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:14:20 +0000

Wow what an episode. I have literally, watched it at least 20 times now, and each time I pickup something new. It was obvious to me and others that Kara was coming back, and also that Baltar would go free. To do otherwise would have not worked. The show needs Starbuck and Baltar. RDM said they had to convince her to go along with the plot. If she was really gone it would have not gone down that way. Kara’s return: I also did the frame by frame of the explosion when she died and there is no way she ejected. How she came back is anybody’s guess, I would say that the writers probably have several ideas and won’t make a final decision until after the inner break episodes where they setup the backstory. I am convinced that was really Starbuck, not just Head Starbuck. When Lee goes after the unknown contact, if you watch the scene closely there is turbulence, the dradis contact, and the conversation between them. Head conversations always go to what the individual could have known on there own. So with the I know where earth is, and I have been there. It seems very obvious that she is not in Lee’s head. Finding Earth: I believe there is a greater than 90 percent chance that season four will be it for Galactica. With that said I think that will be the mid season cliff hanger, they jump into earth orbit leave us hanging. Baltar: Did anyone catch that Baltar called Felix “butterfingers”  Final Four: Watching the scene it looks like they all know a lot more than “OMG were cylons” I believe they have very detailed memories of the history of the final five, and I think that knowledge is going to be what gets them out of the jam they are currently in with the cylon fleet. This was not the usual season finally, and I can’t wait to hear RDM’s podcast just wish it was posted.



By: Martin K

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:06:40 +0000

The fleet won't get to Earth until near the end of the series, I think, b/c RDM said that Roslin, like Moses, won't make it to the promised land. I don't see RDM killing off Roslin until the very end.



By: Joey Ratz

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:52:36 +0000

Hey people, great comments!! One quick note I'd like to mention about Starbuck: we saw her viper three times before Lee saw her. Wouldn't that prohibit her from being a "head" Starbuck? I mean, is she was a hallucination, she could not exsist outside of Lee's field of view. I realize it's a simplistic way of looking at the scene, but it makes sense. Besides, don't you think RDM has gone to the "head" well one too many times? There's head Six, head Baltar, head Leoben, head music, head Carolanne Adama (kinda), and a whole head opear house. A head Starbuck would be too much, and I hope RDM knows that.



By: Luc

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:55:17 +0000

I'm still around Stephanie! I checked out the link and indeed, funny that she would be in a play about a half human half machine. Quite the coincidence. Cant say that I'm a big fan of the character, we havent seen much of her so far. Maybe she'll grow on me eventually. Just 10 months to find out where they are going to go with all this... Oh yeah Bandit Bandito! Rewatching the episode I caught the "butterfingers" comment and it was hilarious. The writers have a neat quirky sense of humor, finding great comedy in very dark situations. Remember Tigh and Adama laughing hysterically at the "paper shortage"? Great TV moment.



By: Bandwidth Bandito

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:22:20 +0000

FFS everyone; it's my first post and I have to go straight into rant mode, the six banners for the five cylons are just an aspect of interior decoration (set design if you will). Six banners create five gaps or "stations" in which a Cylon can stand. There is no sixth mystery Cylon unless... wait... yes it's me! No really there is no mystery (apart from the mystery that is interior design). And don't get me started on why there is no large ship in the Nebula. Face it, human being are seekers of patterns lookup (or google for all you young'uns) pareidolia and get over it. BTW I am a big fan of watercooler, keep up the good work. oh yeah and the "butterfingers" comment of Baltar almost made me pee, ahh so funny.



By: The 13th Cylon

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:40:07 +0000

Okay, finally listened to the podcast. It gets the Cylon Seal of Approval. Hey guys, I thought I'd pass this little great info along based off a recent article at AICN. Nothing major, but it's nice to see that RDM has said that whether or not the series ends after season 4 or 5, it will get the conclusion he wants and not end with a wild cliffhanger like so many other shows do (and a few that he's worked on- Carnivale, Roswell, etc). And as a fan (Oh what might have been with Firefly!), that's all I can ask for. He also mentioned that most of all the key players of BS Pegasus were expected to return (Cain, of course, Fisk, etc). Whoo! I'd be even better if SciFi would unbox that Caprica pilot. Audra- As far as this week's 25 cent bet goes, I'd bet a lot against the fleet getting to Earth anytime before the final episode. I think what separates this show from others is that we have had an advertised ending from the start. The show is about the RTF getting to Earth. It's all about the journey and not the destination and all that jazz, but what would be the point if the fleet made it to Earth with at least 10 episodes left? I've kind of always imagined that we'll never see the fleet land on Earth or anything, just making it to Earth. I think that landing on Earth, especially a modern Earth, would really date the series (it reminds me of "V"). One other thing I've been smoking on lately is why the model numbers for the O7 and F5 aren't sequential? These models are "fundamentally different", yet their order seems to be random. Could these be rebel Cylons that evolved and rebelled against the other Cylons? Perhaps these versions gave the others a memory wipe, which would explain why it took Xena dying to find out who they were. So many wonderful questions, and I'm sure the writers will have something none of us expected. lol



By: Pike

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:30:44 +0000

Stephanie, Ah! It's not her page (which is why google failed me) it's a production she was/is in. Shortcut: http://greymattermedia.com/prisoners/index.html And yeah, is she typecast already?! Francesca, good point. I actually thought Cally's problems were overblown at the time, but the distinction does make more sense now. Although... none of the Final 4/5ths have shown the same level of stamina as the Seven Skinjobs, so that may be one of the ways they're 'fundamentally different.' (Although, although, Tigh did handle lack of sleep better than Adama in 33. Has Chief had a comparable moment? Aside from the airlock thing?)



By: FrancescaSF

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:54:31 +0000

Well, now it makes sense that the Chief didn't get as sick as Cally after exposure to vacuum. I couldn't believe he was up and walking so soon. . . but if he's a Cylon. . . maybe.



By: Stephanie

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:36:59 +0000

Pike: On this very page, on the green bar, there's links to the actor's official sites. Check out Rehka Sharma's site, and then go to her "Main Page". It seems Tory's in a theatre group doing a play about humans and androids. The tagline says: "Imagine: You are an artificial being, imprisoned for being a little bit too human in ways human beings would rather forget. On your journey into the light, you learn to love the darkness. And how to stop being an automaton..." Talk about double lives! Luc: Where've you been, mon cher? I've been cracking jokes for you! And yes, Atlantis, I agree!



By: Pike

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:20:07 +0000

Stephanie, I missed that link. What is it?



By: Frakking Toaster

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:55:27 +0000

Pardon me for being just a bit dense, but I'd like to submit an audio clip. Exactly how do I go about doing it. As for my thoughts on the finale... It looks pretty clear from Ronald D Moore's interview on EW that these are 4 of the final 5 (Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, Tory). I am very torn on whether or not Starbuck is the 5th. Pros: * It looked pretty convincing that she blew up in "Maelstrom", and certainly Apollo was convinced. How then, could she be back if not resurrected as a Cylon. * It would also add a lot of clarity to Leoben's belief that he was guiding her toward a special destiny. * It seems to fit RDM's rather chaotic pattern with Cylon revelations. Cons: * Nobody reacted to Starbuck's presence besides Lee Adama, bolstering the "head Starbuck" theory. In fact Galactica didn't spot her either, which even Edward James Olmos makes clear in his interview on EW. So right now, whether she turns out to be a fiction of his imagination or not, only Lee even thinks she's back. * Starbuck as a "head" character in Lee's mind won't be as satisfying, as Head Six was with Baltar in Season 1. After all, nobody in the cast of characters even knew of Six besides Baltar, so there was no lost dynamic for Six to be someone only Baltar could see. I pretty firmly believe that Starbuck will ultimately be confirmed as the last Cylon.



By: Luc

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:41:10 +0000

Havent read through all the comments either. Seems the number of posts are growing exponentialy. Loved the podcast, loved the episode. BSG must be the only serialized TV show I ever wanted to rewatch in the same week. I'm old enough to remember seeing the original series as a kid. Even saw the pilot for the series which was shown in movie theaters, I think only in Canada. I was really disapointed, I am not at all nostalgic for the original series. When I heard they were remaking it, I thought it was the stupidest idea. Proven very wrong. I sure hope they dont pay homage to the original series and go all "ship of lights" on us. I'm not crazy about the idea of "head Starbuck". Would miss her dearly as a Viper pilot and her interaction with ALL the crew. But still very happy and relieved to see her back. Here's own I think the series will end. They discover Earth of the distant past, but have to face what is left of the Cylon fleet (they almost entirely self-destroyed). After the victorious massive battle, the remains of the fleet crash lands on a lavish, luxurious island in the middle of the Atlantic. Coincidently, the same day, Atlantis sinks at the bottom of the Ocean, killing everyone. These poor folks cant catch a break.



By: Mike

Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:54:04 +0000

I admit, I have not read through all 160+ comments, so I don't know if this was raised or not... but could it be that Tyrol and Anders' references to the song being "like something out of childhood" could (maybe even unbeknownst to them) refer to the "childhood" of humanity -- which would argue for BSG being set far in the future? "Life here began out there" -- i.e., the 12 colonies are the progeny of *our* Earth itself, that maybe Earth is not actually a 13th "colony" but Kobol itself? I know we've been to Kobol (which is the "motherworld" of BSG mythos, right?), and it didn't seem like Earth -- but maybe? Just wondering. Great podcast -- so glad to have discovered this site!



By: Armando

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:23:54 +0000

So I'm FINALLY caught up on the podcasts (you guys are killing me with these two hour long ones!). I've been commenting here and there based on where I was in the 'cast and the comments of others, but I am thrilled by the idea of a re-watch with podcast commentary (it's like a reading group!). :-) I've been thinking that it might be time to watch BSG from the beginning again (been watching a lot of comedies on DVD lately and it's time for something more serious...and I want to wait till Rome season 2 comes out on DVD to watch THAT again from the top), so I'm glad that I'll be able to do it along with the GWC community. Woo-hoo!



By: Stephanie

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:48:12 +0000

Totally unrelated: I followed the link from GWC to Tory/Rehka Sharma's homepage for the first time. Go to the Main Page. I laughed.



By: Pike

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:29:02 +0000

Zice, first I've heard of it. When did he mention it?



By: Josh

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:12:25 +0000

Is the rewatch schedual up yet?



By: The 13th Cylon

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:46:51 +0000

I'm still hoping Ellen is a Cylon. She was one of my top 5 favorite characters.



By: Zice

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:20:17 +0000

I'm surprised no reference was made in the podcast to the huge plug that Howard Stern gave this site when he mentioned it several times to his 6 million listener audience. Did you guys experience alot of extra hits about a week ago?



By: Saberhawk

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:13:45 +0000

I admit that I was at first a proponent of the F4 being "duped" and implanted into thinking they were cylon(s)z, but now I am going to go with RDM and belive him when he says they are and that they are fundamentally different. If for no other reason than it allows both he and the writers to further explore/blurr the line between human and cylon. It really opens a ton of story possibilities without bringing in the "borg" or "Ori" in order to extend the show. I had a thought that Papadama might still be the 12th model. If Tigh could be one then Adama could be as well. We have seen how cylon seek out cylon for friendship/comfort, sometimes without knowing (Boomer/Chief, Anders/Tori). Were this to be true then Lee would/could be the first Hylon....Were this to be true then the 12th model would be even more fundamentally different - since he was not impacted by the music or power drain. That is one theory, but I go back to one I (and some others) had earlier. Since we now have confirmed that the Cylon skin jobs have been around for a looooong time - my current favorite candidate for #12 - Zarek. It just seems so RDM-like to cast the hero of the original BSG as the ultimate cylon in this series. Let the speculation continue.



By: Gray

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:45:43 +0000

sense. i need spellcheck.



By: Gray

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:45:05 +0000

I think I've said it before but I agree that RDM seems to have confirmed that the four cylons revealed in part II are in fact Cylons. And I think the move makes since considering S.4 is likely to be the last. Why waste time and plot points slowly revealing them one by one if the four revealed have one story that can gel with all the plot points RDM and DE want to hit. I also like By Your Command's theory but Tigh is one hell of a model soldier. Guess they didn't factor in the hooch. And it crossed my mind too that Tori could be pregnant. And even this Zen Starbuck probably can't be too cool with that. Let's hope Tory's not pregnant. I think I read a theory somewhere that posited Starbuck was being groomed by a higher power to accept a Cylon partner and Leoben was just practice. Kinda frakked up but I don't buy into it. Also- wouldn't it have been a real mindfrak if Kara really is dead, or if she HAD really been dead before the finale to come back and be like, "Surprise! Kacey is her kid."



By: Chip Phillips

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:46:06 +0000

So this may or may not mean anything but there are no visible sateliltes in the final screen cap of Earth, Nor any indication of Civilization. Purposfully ambiguous or is it an indication of the time frame? Was it just me or did Roslin Freak the Frak out five whole seconds right before the power outage? I immediately thought she was the fifth cylon until starbuck showed up and made me question which person was more likely. Perhaps Roslin isn't the fifth but whatever caused the outage also messed up whatever part of her is now cylon because of Hera's injected cells. The thirteenth tribe question? Is the RTF the thirteenth tribe that goes back in time to settle on Earth? And where were the Cylons the whole time inbetween the original war and now? Where is their home world? Did they have a home world? Is it Earth? Have they been stringing along the RTF this whole time just to repeat some kind of cosmic cycle? I want answers and I dont want to wait 10 Fracking months to get them..



By: Audra

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:52:38 +0000

David W. Griffin - Now, what kind of show would it be if everyone transformed into sexy young women? (I'll give you a hint: a show aimed at men who mainly want to look at sexy women.) Besides, BSG has one of the hottest casts I've ever seen in television, female AND male. More comments when I finish reading!



By: suzanne

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:14:48 +0000

athenor- i agree about your comments on the "there are only 12 models" slip of paper that adama puts in a safe place in the mini. i have been thinking about how that paper got there. i think it may have been a one-off at the time of the mini, but now it seems that either (1) someone placed that note in his office, such as Tigh,(2) he learned this in talking with the leoben at rangor anchorage, or (3) he knew this from some other source (which is the most sinister possibility). is adama a cylon, as the leoben in "flesh and bone" stated? or does he know more about the cylons from military sources than he wants to admit? just when does adama share his knowledge with the fleet about "only 12 models"? i still have the feeling adama knows more than he admits...does he know tigh is a cylon, and has been protecting him all this time? did the military know about the f5 but not the other 7 until the attacks? by your command, i love your "released into the wild" theory for the final 5. it explains a lot, especially about tigh. he has been a frak-up for at least all the time he knows adama (remember how adama saves his skin in the bar in a tigh flashback). nebula = ship of lights? it scrambled the power on all the ships ( i think the cylons down as well, or else we would have seen raiders), all those twinkly lights in the nebula made me think of the ship of lights. kara appears, all shiny and new and lit up and with knowledge of earth... also, was tory a resistance leader on new caprica? it is interesting that tigh, anders, and the chief were all leaders of the resistance on new caprica. lends credibility to the theory that the f5 have a different (and opposing) agenda from the other 7.



By: Pike

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:06:07 +0000

Oh yeah, 13th, GWC was up relatively early. Make sure you're hitting "refresh" ('cause the default (at least on a Mac) is to check every 12 hours.) iTunes, OTOH, was an entirely different story...