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By: Gray

Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:11:29 +0000

Seriously, Flannery O'Connor references are always cool.

By: Galactica Watercooler » Blog Archive » Jeopardy, Colors, And Why RDM’s Fanboy Sopranos Post Might Not Be So Bad

Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:45:26 +0000

[...] Update: Pike points out that I’m slow, and he got there first.  Pike rocks. [...]

By: Audra

Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:51:20 +0000

Jason - Yay! Someone appreciated what I was getting at. "Good Country People" is my favorite O'Connor story. And Mike P. - I also love the story "Revelation." I can't get enough of those grotesque characters we love/hate. (Also, sorry we kept botching the name of the biblical text.) And it's TRUE! People never go into haylofts to do anything socially acceptable, hehe. Except hide from Cylons, I guess.

By: Nick B

Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:30:35 +0000

While we're doing bad puns, and on the subject of whether Pythia can be compared with Revelation, and whether it's a long or a short gospel, perhaps this particular BSG gospel is somewhat like Revelation or Exodus, only it's pithier, geddit? I'm sorry, it's been a long week. Someone throw me out of an airlock...

By: writch

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:02:49 +0000

Mike P: Twas a joke indeed... forgot my emoticon, I guess. I thought the bad pun quoted at the end would spill the beans. And I'm impressed that you've domesticated Revelations into a pet... to me, its remains a feral peeve. (That too, was in jest.) dixi.

By: Mike P

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:05:09 +0000

Not sure if you are making a joke or not there, writch, but -- as someone above pointed out -- the name of the biblical book is "Revelation," singular. (Same as Flannery O'Connor's story, I believe.) The whole "Revelations" thing is really one of my pet peeves and, frankly, drove me crazy during that whole section of the podcast (as awesome and as cool as Chuck, Sean, and Audra are! -- :-)

By: writch

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:05:14 +0000

Mike P sez: "Audra, do you remember the story “Revelation”? " I thought it was clear from the last podcast that she didn't know ANYTHING about "Revelation".... oh wait, that's "Revelations" (I get them confused). "There but by the Mary Grace of God go Eye..."

By: Mike P

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:57 +0000

Armando -- Yes, and also neither of our wives are Cylon collaborators... so thank the Lords of Kobol for small favors, no? :-) Switching to this week's rewatch episode ("Colonial Day"), I felt SO bad for Sharon when Helo found out the truth -- I am stunned at how her emotional arc just went totally past me the first time I watched season one. I guess we are meant to identify with Helo, but I really now have a greater appreciation for Sharon as a character. Jason, welcome to GWC. I thought Audra's invocation of Flannery O'Connor was awesome, too. I had a religion professor in college who introduced us to her work (Flannery's, not Audra's ). Audra, do you remember the story "Revelation"? I think that is just about my favorite O'Connor. "One of these days I'm a-gonna wear a CROWN..." ! :-)

By: Trak101

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:19:29 +0000

"But hey-at least our spouses aren’t pregnant AND fleeing the cylons in a radioactive wasteland. " Man, I hate when that happens!

By: Armando

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:03:06 +0000

"And as for morning sickness — my wife and I are expecting our second now. Both pregnancies, she has started feeling sick virtually the moment the home pregnancy test turned positive, and it ain’t just in her head! So I feel for poor Sharon and have no trouble believing she is experiencing morning sickness (which, for my wife, was 24 hr sickness the whole first trimester… again, both times…) Poor Sharon! " Congratulations, Mike! My wife and I are also expecting our second. I wanted to comment on morning sickness as well since I thought it was one of those things that could happen within days, but my wife has been lucky enough, I suppose, that neither time she's been pregnant she's had morning sickness. So the Armando household cannot speak from experience in this case. But hey-at least our spouses aren't pregnant AND fleeing the cylons in a radioactive wasteland. Thank God for small favors, I guess!

By: Jason

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:00:27 +0000

Another first-time poster here. I only discovered the podcast a month ago, while looking for the equivalent of BSG methadone to tide me over this LONG hiatus. And boy, did I hit the jackpot with Galactica Watercooler! Your intelligent and witty banter never ceases to impress, and reminds me so much of conversations I'd have with friends back in Austin, TX. (Your podcast has also become a kind of methadone for them as well, as I finish up the last 6 months of a 2-year fellowship in Germany, where the reimagined BSG remains sadly unknown, despite my best efforts to spread the gospel of Pythia here.) Anyway, if there were any lingering doubts that I hadn't found THE best BSG-themed podcast (and one of the best podcasts period), they were erased this week when Audra brought up "Good Country People" by Flannery O'Connor. I couldn't believe my ears and went positively giddy with glee--I LOVE this story! Just so you know, Audra, you are not alone. Ever since I read that story in college, I can't see a hayloft without thinking of Hulga and her stolen leg.

By: Mike P

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:46:54 +0000

Somebody mentioned preachers not preaching on Revelation much. I did one summer for a sermon series (though not from a fundamentalist, literalistic p.o.v.), and I must say, if Pythia *is* really anything like Revelation, I can see why the Colonials shy away! :-) And as for morning sickness -- my wife and I are expecting our second now. Both pregnancies, she has started feeling sick virtually the moment the home pregnancy test turned positive, and it ain't just in her head! So I feel for poor Sharon and have no trouble believing she is experiencing morning sickness (which, for my wife, was 24 hr sickness the whole first trimester... again, both times...) Poor Sharon!

By: Luc

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:50:33 +0000

Consider yourself lucky, I have yet to come accross a video rental store who has the season DVDs. I'll wait till it's all over and buy whatever box set they come up with.

By: Stroogie

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:41:46 +0000

Nick/Final One, as long as we're all trying to prove how nerdy we are: You might watch too much BSG if (part 2): Your friend is borrowing your DVDs, so you go to Blockbuster to rent Season 1 disc 4 so you can keep up with the rewatch. The cute clerk gushes and says it's such a great show, and you're too dazzled to think to ask her out. I'm gonna go lift weights or something now to feel more masculine.

By: Armando

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:56:16 +0000

So, “V” meets “Enemy Mine?” Y’know, that doesn’t sound bad at all. """" Just remember, I came up with it first. So I will require royalties. :-)

By: AKRon

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:25:26 +0000

Just a thought on the force required for the Viper control pedals...perhaps they require the force they do as a safety feature. If the controls were fly-by-wire then it might be easy for a pilot to cause the Viper to make a super high G turn and cause themselves to blackout or die, but by requiring more force for a bigger G turn, this prevents such accidents. (Then again, I suppose the fly-by-wire system could have preset limits for turns, but I agree with ya'll that they probably want a reliable mechanical linkage to limit damage by anti-electronic weapons.)

By: Pike

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:20:42 +0000

So, "V" meets "Enemy Mine?" Y'know, that doesn't sound bad at all.

By: Armando

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:07:49 +0000

I'd like to see a re-imagining of Mork and Mindy, where Mork is a shape-shifting alien on a recon mission as part of a massive invasion force and Mindy is the hapless everywoman he inadvertently falls in love with and, in the process, learns to love humanity and work with them to thwart his people's plans. But maybe in this version the alien could be a woman and the human a man? You know, I was trying to be funny...but that doesn't sound so bad. TV work, here I come!

By: Trak101

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:42:37 +0000

The Alpaca Herder - Re:Philemon... All we've heard out of Pythia is the account of their Exodus", if you will, out of Kobol. And that's it. It may very well be that Pythia is a small book, a booklet, of the Sacred Scrolls... FWIW, Orson Scott Card is a Mormon too.. For an ending to the show, I'm not worried that RDM will pull a Sopranos... Let's give him some credit. I, personally, just want to be surprised... THEN RDM should reimagine The Man from Atlantis ;-)

By: Raemani

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:30:06 +0000

So on the discussion of the shared "dream" - something I have been thinking about: We know Roslin, Hera, Six and Athena all had the dream. Baltar was in the dream, but did he actually have the dream? I don't remember saying that he this has me leaning toward Roslin as the final Cylon....but I waver on who is the final one all the time.

By: Luc

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:29:50 +0000

Great podcast and interesting posts, all... Most pressing questions I would like answered: - What is the nature of the new Starbuck? - How can Tigh be a Cylon and how are those 4 different from the rest? - What is to become of Baltar, what does this cult want with him? There are so many other questions to answer, but they can take their time and use up 20 episodes wisely. I'm sure they will find Earth by the end, but I dont care to find out at which time in history. I'd be just as happy to find it unpopulated and let the viewers speculate as to why. Ultimatly, I'm more curious to find out how the Cylons will be dealt with. I cant imagine them settling on Earth and just hoping that the Cylons never find them.

By: Audra

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:07:23 +0000

Welcome scorch99, TimH, FinalOne, and The 31st Cylon!

By: The 31st Cylon

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:27:19 +0000

Hey this is my first post on GWC but been listening to the podcast through season 3. You guys are great, keep up the good work. I love this episode, it is one of my all time favs. Viper action is always good. Baltar is the best, he is truely an instrument of god. And the scene where Starbuck winks at Tigh during the mission planning is hot!!!!!!!!

By: The Alpaca Herder

Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:07:31 +0000

Sitting in Las Vegas at the moment waiting for the next set of flights to get to conference, I have a moment to bring up hopefully a couple things. Armando wrote: "That’s true: Glen Larson is a Mormon and a lot of his imagery in the original series is based on LDS theology. There’s a pretty decent article about this floating around on the net somewhere. " I thought Orson Scott Card was the one who brought up the term "Mormons in Space" as a description of the original BSG. As to the discussion raised by others about the RDM comment on the Sopranos ending... The best thing that I have seen put forward is that the story of the Sopranos is told from Tony's point of view. Everything in the show was told from Tony's point of view. Just as much as Saul Tigh was Ellen Tigh's world everything seen in the Sopranos was Tony's world. The blackout was best put as Tony's world fading out if he died from getting whacked. I am rather unsure how that could be done in BSG without everything being told from Ellen's point of view. As to Trak101 bringing up Philemon and more: Philemon is just way too short and way too narrowly focused. To fit within an English teacher's view perhaps, contrasting Philemon and Revelation would be akin to contrasting a short story and a novel. Pythia sure seemed to me like it was not a "short book" but rather a full-featured gospel. Outside the Gospels and Revelation, the books of the New Testament are arranged according to length from longest to shortest. I don't know if we could hold up Pythia as a full analog to any Book of the New Testament. As said by myself and others it looks like Pythia would correspond most to Exodus in the Old Testament. As to the everyday city folk naming the books of the Bible, look to American Samoa. That is one part of US sovereignty where that would probably be possible. Browncoat_Bryan bringing up an idea of a crash by Galactica into Earth causing an Ice Age: Didn't Doctor Who do that already during the Peter Davidson era? I believe the companion that wound up causing the Ice Age in that serial was named Adric.

By: Nick B

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:38:57 +0000

FinalOne - yes, I do want to know all that stuff about Baltar. Surely there's no way he could have survived that blast, and that kind of bugs me. And as some people have suggested, head 6 seems to have advance knowledge of stuff, and know things that Baltar can't (that's my impression, but I guess it's arguable), so I'm not sure about her being merely an expression of Baltar's subconscious. So what is the nature of their "relationship". I have sneaking suspicion that there might be some key role for Baltar in the grand scheme of the BSG 'verse, that will be revealed in Season 4. I sort of think it might be a waste of a character if there isn't, as the Baltar character is such great value. He sort of seems under-used just languishing in the brig, and even during the trial he played second fiddle to Lampkin and Lee. I won't be devastated if nothing major happens with his character, but I think it would be fun to see a Baltar revelation shake things up a bit, and I'd still like to see him find his conscience and his courage, and redeem himself. As for giving Gina the nuke, yes, I thought of all those reasons (also, maybe he just wanted a way to get into her affections and hence her bed), but it somehow didn't hang together for me. Maybe I had difficulty accepting that even he could be that stupid (OK, I guess that's not necessarily out of character). As for Baltar theories, nothing really except for a suspicion that he might not just be the regular, eccentric, horny genius that he is on the face of it. I'm going to make it my mission to use "Frak" in public before the week's out.

By: FinalOne

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:28:52 +0000

Wow Browncoat_Bryan, that's such a cool idea... I don't think they'll do it but it would be pretty cool AND it would piss people off ('cause that's pretty cool as well, IMHO). Re: Nick B. Really? You really want to know all that stuff about Baltar in previous episodes? Personally, I think the writers just went: Hmm, we want Baltar to survive, okay, let's say Six's body protects him, that makes superficial sense, good enough. I don't think there is a big mystery behind it or something. But it does leave them the opening to decide Baltar is a cylon after all, or something like that. And why did Baltar give Gina the atomic bomb? Err, because his ego was hurt, he was pissed off and he was being unreasonable? So do you believe there is a big mystery going on? Do you have a theory on Baltar you want to share here? Errr... okay, I guess I'm a really big nerd, because I use 'frak' and 'gods' all the time in everyday life, usually when swearing to myself.. Most people just ignore it (okay I AM a nerd), but some people go 'do you watch BSG too?' and I think it's pretty cool when that happens..

By: The 13th Cylon

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:04:53 +0000

I still say the best way to piss off as many people as possible, and thus make Sean happy, is to include the 70's version of the show. "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again". And as far as using "frak", well, only in the car.

By: Browncoat_Bryan

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:05:02 +0000

Okay, I know this is going to sound stupid, but suppose we have this ending? Galactica and the RTF jump into Earth orbit. The "Evil" Cylons are chasing the RTF and start blowing up the civvies. Galactica makes it to Earth orbit and slug it out with the Basestars. The basestars hit Galactica and Galactica goes screaming into Earth's atmo (yep, another fictional reference), and crashes sending up a huge volume of dust and ash, causing the Ice Age. The Cylons come down afterward and begin the human race as we know it. So, perhaps BSG would take place prior to the "Dawn of Man". Ta-Da. And no onion rings. As for me, I use frak all the time now. Even in arguments with my wife. "Oh, yeah???? Well, FRAK YOU!!!" And I use it in combos as well... you know, "motherfraker" (beats saying "motherfather"), "you sorry-ass frakker", "I'm gonna kick your frakking ass", or my Callie favorite, "You frakking, frakked up [whatever]".

By: The 13th Cylon

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:33:02 +0000

Yes, after all, Baltar is a genius... allegedly. So it's no surprise that he knows of the Book of Pithia.

By: Trak101

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:25:51 +0000

Ok, a few random thoughts... RE: G-force... I'm 6'2', 230lbs. so at 6g, I'd be 1380 pounds (!) for at least a few seconds. So imagine Starbuck is, let's say, 150lbs. Accelerating at 6gs she'd be pushed back into her seat and feel like she weighs 900 lbs! Any foot pedals she has to deal with will also be pushing back towards her at 6x whatever their mass may be. She'd need the strength to move her own leg (40lbs x 6) with enough force to overcome 6gs and enough force to move a pedal (n x 6). Seems to me that needing to use 300lbs of force, just to push a pedal, would not be out of the question. But I'm no physicist... In fact, (Audra) I was a community college English teacher for several years And I have a degree in Creative Writing. Go figure. And another thing... Regarding books o' sacred texts... What if Pythia is one of the obscure books of the Sacred Scrolls? Even well-educated folks could be ignorant of it's contents... Think about it, what percentage of everyday city-folk can name all the books in the Bible? What if Pythia is like Philemon or Ezra? Few but the really devout (or those who want people to think they're really devout) can think of those books off hand, let alone tell you what's in them. That's it for now. I may have additional rambles later......

By: Nick B

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:01:52 +0000

For the sake of the appearance of brevity this is in a separate post... Questions I'd like answered in Season 4: 1. How does the Galactica timeline relate to Earth History, and what is the nature of the relationship between Earth, Cobol and the 12 colonies? 2. How did Baltar survive his apartment being destroyed back on Caprica (did he survive, and if not, well, what's going on with him)? 3. What is the mechanism via which Baltar experiences Head 6, and 6 experiences head Baltar? 4. What was Baltar playing at when he gave the nuke to Gina? (Enough Baltar - ed.) 5. How do the final 5 fit into the grand scheme of things? 6. Who is the 5th of the final five? 7. What's going on with Starbuck, and what was she doing on Earth? 8. What happened to the Sharon/Eight we saw in Downloaded (the one who shot Adama and who didn't want to reintegrate into Cylon society)? Her role as a Cylon subversive seems to have been largely or entirely forgotten about in Season 3, with Six being left to fill this role on her own. 8. What happens to the corners that are cut off official documents (and various other items including furniture).....? 9. Can you rent Baltar's apartment (presumably it's in Vancouver somewhere)? My girlfriend wants to book it for a holiday. Right, time to do some work now - I have to earn a living. Cheers folks.

By: Nick B

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:41:25 +0000

Hi folks. I wouldn't be surprised if RDM was just frakking with us with his Sopranos comment, although I didn't see the show or read his blog, so I might be talking out of my ass, as you spell it on your side of the pond. But he must be sensitive to the fact that people have potentially huge expectations of the end of Season 4, and maybe he was just trying to deflate these by making us think he might leave us hanging. It's always better to exceed expectations, after all, and if you can somehow lower them then it becomes easier. I personally wouldn't mind to be left with a bit of a cliffhanger, as long as something is revealed. I'd really like to know when they're going to arrive in the context of Earth history, and seeing Galactica descending on an Earth that is obviously archaic, present-day, or futuristic in one form or another would deliver this, although this could of course raise as many questions as it answers. Perhaps a reconnaissance team will head down to the planet's surface only to be greeted by multiple versions of Tigh, Anders, the Chief and Tori, who welcome them and arrange an audience with their leader, who turns out to be a version of Baltar, sitting in an oversized chair and waited on by a bevvy of sixes and threes. Dorrell will be making the coffee of course. But then I do like the suggestion made in a post on the last discussion, that the final words of Season 4 will be "Are you alive?" This sort of seems too good an opportunity to miss. Getting off-topic a bit, I've just rewatched Downloades, and was struck by the fact that these are the words of the Dorrell who rescues Six and Eight from the rubble of the building that Anders blew up. They look at each other and say,"yes, we're alive", and repeat it with something verging on euphoria. The message is clearly that by falling in love and questioning the Cylon plan they've discovered free will, which is what makes them really alive, and indeed essentially human. I now realise that this is what causes the change in the Cylon plan with respect to humanity, and drives the Cylons to try and live together with humans (originally I thought the final five might have something to do with it). While the other Cylon models go along with Six and Eight in this new touchy-feely approach to human-management, there are obviously disagreements, and this is where the Cylon plan changes, and becomes a bit of a mess. The Cylon-human interactions of Seasons 3 and 4 are/will be largely a product of this one moment, when Six and Eight decide they are alive, and that things have to change. Bit of a tangential ramble, but I watched this last night and am still thinking about it (as if Saturday night's Doctor Who wasn't enough - Oh my gods, I've become a fully paid-up geek!). NB

By: Armando

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:10:31 +0000

Hey Stroogie, If religious tolerance is good for Admiral Adama, it's good enough for me. ;-) By the way, enjoy the Sopranos 1-3. I wasn't really into the show while it was still on. My wife (well, at the time she was still just my girlfriend) got really into it when it first came on and so I watched a few episodes with her (much like she watches BSG with me), especially after I got her, gradually, each DVD set as gifts. Recently, with all of the hooplah surrounding the end of the series, we decided to start watching the entire run from the beginning and I must say, I've been really blown ( forgot to say away again) by the writing in this series. I can see why Ron Moore thinks it may be the best drama in television history (I'm not sure I'd go THAT far, but it's pretty close. I certainly see how if it hadn't come along, we wouldn't have BSG now).

By: shrekjdr

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:04:19 +0000

Chuck Says: June 19th, 2007 at 6:55 pm Stroogie/All: I didn’t pick Revelations at random .... I was thinking how Roslin didn’t know about this religious text when Baltar said of course I read it in 2nd grade.... Maybe there society is a lot like ours where Church and state is separate and since Caprica as said in the Podcast is very city like and not a lot on religion the schooling roslin had for teaching would not cover any of those subjects. So she wasn’t aware of those scrolls and maybe never read those or if she did it was so long ago she didn’t remember?

By: The 13th Cylon

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:45:09 +0000

I'll back Audra up also on the bit about not knowing much about the Book of Revelation (actually not "Revelations", to be specific). I've been raised in a Christian family and go to church most every week, but after listening to the podcast, I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about it. Sure, it's the story of the end of times and all, but I can't name too many specifics. Prechers don't do many sermons on it and quite frankly, a lot of the stuff in it is very bizarre and strange (a lion with eyeballs covering it), so I tune it out. And in response to Sean and his king snakes- After watching "Hand of God" and seeing the snake, I finally watched "Snakes on a Plane" that I had from Netflix. They both used the king snakes, but everyone knows that "red touches black, it's okay Jack". It's funny that I wasn't the only one to notice it. In that movie, someone yells out "frak", which is amusing.

By: Stroogie

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:42:55 +0000

Hey Chuck, didn't mean to sound like I was insulting your thought process. You have a point; like Timbuck said in the first post, a lot of people have a general idea of what Revelations is because of movies like The Omen, etc. I also liked Adama's moment in "Epiphanies"; besides just being a powerful speech, it's good to see the religious tolerance going both ways. Adama is an admitted atheist (at least, EJO admits Adama's athiest; I can't remember if the good Commander has stated as much on screen, even though it seems apparent that he is), but he never seems bothered by others' belief. Except that time he slammed the clipboard. Armando: thanks back atchya for the lack of mud slinging. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for The Sopranos discs 1-3 to come thru Netflix. Gotta see what all the fuss is about.

By: Audra

Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:29:26 +0000

Stroogie and Armando: I teach English at a community college, though when I referred to my "creative writing class" where everyone has started using "frak," I actually meant a grad class I'm taking, hehe. I could probably use "frak" in classes I teach if it was truly relevant, but I haven't done so yet. You have to maintain some level of sanity or the kids today won't buy in... ;)

By: Chuck

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:55:08 +0000

Stroogie/All: I didn't pick Revelations at random. I was just thinking that it seemed odd that Roslin didn't even know what Pythia was. I chose Revelations as an example of a book of the Bible that's made its way into popular culture and is thus popularly known as containing "predictions" about the future. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if any particular person I met didn't know much about the actual content of Revelations -- I don't! -- but it would surprise me if they'd never heard the name at all (i.e. "What's a Revelations?"). It certainly wasn't my intention to pick on anyone who's not religious. I'm not, and have said so in a number of podcasts. In fact, one of my favorite moments is when Roslin is dying and Adama makes his speech to the crew, asking those who believe to pray and those who don't to "join him" in keeping her in their thoughts. That's religious tolerance you don't see much here in Texas. Anyway, I've been really busy with work, but I've been reading all the posts here -- great discussions, many of which'll have to make their way into next week's podcast!

By: Pike

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:44:46 +0000

I haven't watched the Soparanos since season three-ish, so I didn't have a lot invested in it. I was curious about the reaction to the end, and I came across this post that makes it seem like an actual artistic decision, and less of the cop-out I thought it was at first. I've since found the final scene online, and I'm partly convinced by this analysis. How does it seem to those of you who have been watching this year?

By: BSG-32 Minnesotia

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:02:26 +0000

Hey, lets not forget "Humped". As in "Captain....we're humped!!" Havn't listened to the podcast yet for this week, but I love the episode. I love the Vipers, man. Too bad about Chuckles tho :( Minnesotia Actual

By: Yorick

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:43:25 +0000

Going back to the Sopranos' final episode, I wouldn't say there's no clear end. If you follow closely the clues given by David Chase in different interviews, Tony remembering in the previous episode him and Bobby talking about when they would die and if they would ever see it coming... it seems to me that the NJ mob boss is kinda killed when it all fade to black. Or it us, the audience without seeing it coming, being whacked? It could also be that after being killed, Tony Soprano wakes up in a pod of goo surrounded by Six, D'anna and Sharon...

By: Armando

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:51:09 +0000

Stroogie, I think Chuck is full of it....NAAAAH! I totally think you're right on that, of course. I just had to throw in a little bit of what I know about this stuff. It's not every day one can talk about the finer points of religion and religious history on a forum where it doesn't involve flinging mud or ducking from someone flinging mud at your post. :-) And yes, Audra, what level do you teach? By the way, Chuck and Sean, in her defense, having taught both high school and college, I can tell you that sometimes all it takes to teach someone is simply to stay one lesson ahead of your students. It's sad, but oh so true!

By: Armando

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:47:17 +0000

Writch, That's true: Glen Larson is a Mormon and a lot of his imagery in the original series is based on LDS theology. There's a pretty decent article about this floating around on the net somewhere.

By: Armando

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:46:28 +0000

Cavatar writes: "I just want to add, that I do feel that writers who just have stories sitting on a shelf or a hard drive in there own home written in there spare time have to answer to no one. But when you are on TV, paid for my advertisers due to viewer ship, or other means; then the game changes a bit. I do think we are saying the same thing here. " You know, I go back and forth on this. I'm a self-published composer without a recording contract, but at the same time, I write music for people who ask for it and I run my own ensemble with a growing following, which means I have to think about my audience on one end, and on the other I'd rather have total control over my work. In the end, it all comes down to a compromise. As to how this affects my feeling on how BSG should end: I really think that as long as it's a credible ending that is true to the series, whatever they choose to do with it is fine by me. I don't want it all to have ended up being a dream or some sort of gimmick like that which wouldn't fit the show (like it all turns out to be Baltar, having realized that Caprica Six is a Cylon, weighing the repercussions of letting her help him on the defense mainframe project or something like that, thus negating the entire last five years of the series/miniseries. THAT would suck).

By: Stroogie

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:57:20 +0000

Armando--Not offended at all. There were an awful lot of Johns in the New Testament times (I guess there are now, too), but from what I can tell, John the Apostle was everyone's best guess, so I went with that. You and everyone else are right that BSG has more in common with Old Testament/Moses/Exodus stories and prophecies than NT, though. I think Chuck was just picking a book at random to illustrate the point that not everyone, even educated people, knew everything about the Sacred Scrolls. Final One--I stumbled across that section in Battlestarwiki with Bradley Thompson a couple days ago too. Though I don't have the exact link, I remember one comment he made that while the writers had only recently come up with the identities of the Fab Four, they had known for a while who the Final Fifth was, as far back as the first season. It is, of course, subject to change, he said. Audra--What level Creative Writing do you teach? Is it a high school class or college? How young are these minds that you're exposing to frak and craaaaap... :)

By: Cavatar

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:08:38 +0000

FinalOne… I thought RDM said that he felt some things repeat themselves… meaning that multiple cultures could create the same thing even without contact with each other. He could be using that song just as a tease. I wanted to add that I do think the layout you gave of what the next season will look like seems very likely.

By: FinalOne

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:51:41 +0000

Re: Cavatar. Yes! Me too! I guess that'll come in when they explain how BSG relates to our time. I think that is one of the most pressing questions to be answered at the end of the show. Didn't Bear McCreary say that his version of 'All along the watchtower' was supposed to be different from the Hendrix version to indicate that BSG was related to our time, but different? Or something like that? I know, that leaves all kinds of possiibilities open, but still it indicates that they are going to answer this question.. Or at least I hope so....

By: Cavatar

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:27:44 +0000

While thinking on the question some more, I do suppose I would want an explanation of that is exactly meant by “This has all happened before and it will all happen again.”

By: shrekjdr

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:18:08 +0000

FinalOne Says: However, questions I personally don’t really need the answer to: * What exactly is Six? * What exactly is Starbuck? * How exactly were the original cylons created? * How can religion be ‘real’ in this universe? hey great list I would agree with all the list except one. I want to know How exactly were the original cylons created? only because of the final 4 cyclons and why are they different.. but if maybe with explaning how the final 4 are different I wont care either...

By: writch

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:16:56 +0000

Armando, et al: With respect to apocryphal and apocalyptic sacred writings and how they relate to the BSG-verse, there was a bit of TOS trivia that clung to my memory when I was traipsing through the BSG-wiki (kinda like burrs on socks). Anyway, it said that the creator (or writer) of TOS was a Mormon and that much of the Lost Tribe and Greco-Egypto references hark from the Latter Day Saint mythosphere. That actually explained a lot to me when it came to how there was an arc Great Journey of the Lost Tribe, etc. from TOS. Since BSG-reimagined is progeny, it stands to reason that much of the mythos is necessarily inherited even if differently spun. Dixi.