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Who knew women were so evil. This is the sort of...

2007-02-05T00:34:00.000-05:00


Who knew women were so evil.


This is the sort of emotive clap-trap we have come to expect from ideologues.

If the rate at which women get rapes, according to NCVS, is 5 in 10,000, then it only take another 2-3 in 10,000 to falsly report rape (alowing for only about a 50% report rate) for the false rape report rate to be around 50%.

That doesn't look like a lot of evil women to me ... about the sort of numbers I would expect, really.



thanks for the links, simon polanski

2007-02-04T23:50:00.000-05:00

thanks for the links, simon

polanski



7:41PM, Mary Travis? Wasn't she with Peter, Paul,...

2007-02-04T23:21:00.000-05:00

7:41PM,

Mary Travis? Wasn't she with Peter, Paul, and Mary?



The extremes are 8% (FBI) to 70%(I don't know the ...

2007-02-04T23:19:00.000-05:00

The extremes are 8% (FBI) to 70%(I don't know the reference).

The average is 39%
The geometric mean is 24%

Most of the reliable estimates come in the 25 to 50% range.

The average is 37.5%
The geometric mean is 35%

So the most likely range is probably 25 to 40%.

Even if the FBI 8% figure holds it is still 4 times the false reporting of other crimes. It is probably 20 times more prevalent.

BTW one thing to keep in mind is that the police radio chatter tapes for the night in question was "lost, stolen, or accidentally destroyed".

The cops were probably telling unseemly jokes at CGM's expense.

Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin has done two studies at least. He came up with estimates of 40% and 50% false accusations.

• Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about 50% simply did not happen."



Polanski, I can't find the Charles Murray link. C...

2007-02-04T22:53:00.000-05:00

Polanski,

I can't find the Charles Murray link. Could you give me a hint on the topic?

In the mean time here are a few links to chew on.

Ending Race Denial

Charles Murray on educationg our top performers and plumbers.

“The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.”

- John W.. Gardner



11:17am---John Edwards' huge mansion is in Chapel ...

2007-02-04T20:58:00.000-05:00

11:17am---John Edwards' huge mansion is in Chapel Hill, not Raleigh. He used to live in Raleigh.
It was reported that they bought about 100 acres surrounding the house. It's way off the hi-way and has a long, winding road for privacy. Guess they want to construct an estate of some kind.
Don't think that Edwards represents the poor.



8:42 Just read and look at the news - describes gr...

2007-02-04T20:55:00.000-05:00

8:42 Just read and look at the news - describes graphically what is done to raped and murder woman. If it is your wife, sister or dayghter - one is to many. What is your point?



Unfortunately, we are seein gwoman tortured, raped...

2007-02-04T20:42:00.000-05:00


Unfortunately, we are seein gwoman tortured, raped and killed much to frequently. Gals, lets get more street smart.


Well, lets separate those out, eh.

Killed? Males are killed more frequently than females in these united states.

Raped? Well, yes, that happens to women much more than men. The latest NCVS say that rape occurs at around .5 per 1000 women, while murder at around .1 per 1000 people.

Torture? There don't seem to be any figures.



I just read the piece from Kristal Zook about Crys...

2007-02-04T19:21:00.000-05:00

I just read the piece from Kristal Zook about Crystal Mangum. Another white woman who knows more about black people than anyone. Crysal (with a C) is a stripper, who sadly per Kristal (with a K) has difficulty keeping a job. Crystal(C) was in that house on that night hired to strip - thats why she is called a stripper. Thanks 2:49 for the link. Gail and Kristal (K) are still mad at Pauls Zorn for ignoring them. Please leave Mary and Travis out of this -



2:42 "No such wrath as a woman scorned." Unfortuna...

2007-02-04T19:07:00.000-05:00

2:42 "No such wrath as a woman scorned." Unfortunately, we are seein gwoman tortured, raped and killed much to frequently. Gals, lets get more street smart.



Simon - Thanks for the studies and stats links - i...

2007-02-04T18:04:00.000-05:00

Simon - Thanks for the studies and stats links - instant info - can't beat it. It occured to me that perhaps (I don't know this to be true) Crystal has been getting Workers Comp for her back injury from the Nursing Home.



Getting back to Cash Michael's column.... The thi...

2007-02-04T16:57:00.000-05:00

Getting back to Cash Michael's column....

The thing that stood out most to me while reading it was his total failure to credit any of Mangum's revised (Dec. 2006) story. He goes with the original timeline which exonerates Seligmann and makes the case that this whole thing is about a $240 robbery. And for that he seems to blame only McFadyen.

We're making progress.

Maggie



Yes RP...but it is even worse than that. In the f...

2007-02-04T16:54:00.000-05:00

Yes RP...but it is even worse than that.

In the first survey that anon cited I forgot to mention that rape was defined for the survey as forced sex but was not limited to the penis. Fingers and objects could also be considered rape. Therefore two 15 year olds sitting in the basement of the gf's house fooling around and he sticks his finger in her vagina and she protests and whammo! That is considered rape in this survey. By watering down the definition of rape they bloat the stats to make it look more common. Even with the watered down definition this survey says that 0.4% of women experienced rape in the prior year. That's 4 out of a thousand by my count. A far cry from the 1 in 4 propaganda of the rape advocates.



It is perhaps obvious why ideologues want to point...

2007-02-04T16:53:00.000-05:00

It is perhaps obvious why ideologues want to point to the British surveys of 1998 and 2000. They show a rape rate of 0.4%, or about 4 in 1000 women in the stated age range.

The DoJ NCVS has a value of 0.5 per 1000 for 2005, which is almost an order of magnitude less.

The British survey is also a self completed survey, while the DoJ's NCVS is done by phone and is more representative, and includes a larger number of individuals.

The British link posted includes this:


The total number of women aged 16 to 59 who answered
the 2000 BCS sexual victimisation module was 6,944.
From this sample of women, 64 reported experiencing
some form of sexual victimisation in the last year. Of these
64 cases, 32 could be classified as rape. The prevalence
and risk analysis in this report uses the categories of rape
(32 cases) and any sexual victimisation (64 cases,
including the 32 rapes).


I think restriction of range is a problem here, but at least they tell us the actual numbers they uncovered, while with the NCVS charts you have to recompute the numbers or dig in the the 100+MB of data that they provide.



re stats for false accusations Here's a typical "...

2007-02-04T16:38:00.000-05:00

re stats for false accusations

Here's a typical "false report" scenario:

Hip boyfriend wants to introduce repressed girlfriend into participating in S&M. Without asking, he penetrates her anally.

Girlfriend "thinks" about it for a while, and "concludes" that he has no respect for her; therfore, she was "raped."

It's all "Rashomon" all the time here. Perhaps she was raped, perhaps not.

Conclusion: it's impossible to collect verifiable stats re false accusations. However, in the Duke case, it can be proven that she's a lying whore. That's a verifiable stat, yet Precious is still a "victim," according to the State of North Carolina.

Polanski



Anonymous said... Two studies commissioned by the...

2007-02-04T16:23:00.000-05:00

Anonymous said...
Two studies commissioned by the British government.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r159.pdf
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hors293.pdf

3:23 PM


The first "study" cited above is actually a survey. Yes, the sample was large but still a survey and not peer reviewed research. I find it interesting to ponder just how you might determine the rate of false accusations via a survey. ;>) It is interesting that the survey also only polled women. Men are victims of rape and of sexual assault and their omission is glaring. It makes one wonder if they may have a pre-existing agenda.

The second cite is even worse. Far from peer reviewed and published research this one is a "report" done by victim advocates of "database" information and case surveys. Here's the description:

This report draws on material from two evaluation projects funded by the Crime Reduction Programme Violence Against Women Initiative (CRP VAWI). It combines analysis of St Mary ’s Sexual Assault Referral Centre historic database and prospective case tracking of reported rape/sexual assault cases across six sites over 17-27 months.

The Kanin study stands out since it was a published research study rather than a survey or report done by advocates wanting to push their own agenda.

This is actually a very instructive example of the way ideologues attempt to spread their ism's. The same methods can be seen in the domestic violence advocates who only push stats based on surveys and "reports." They completely ignore the peer reviewed research which tells a profoundly different story.

I would be very interested in seeing an actual research study which supports your assumptions. Do you know of one?



15 to 50% false rape claims. Now that is a stat wi...

2007-02-04T15:47:00.000-05:00

15 to 50% false rape claims. Now that is a stat with a 35% difference.



3:27 It's true. I have an exceptionally high IQ--...

2007-02-04T15:31:00.000-05:00

3:27

It's true. I have an exceptionally high IQ--at least 89, and I don't like to brag. Why must you point out my high IQ to my fellow posters. I feel exposed right now.

You make a powerful argument. Thank you, brother.

Polanski



Polanski asks: AEI readers like to "drool" over ...

2007-02-04T15:27:00.000-05:00

Polanski asks:


AEI readers like to "drool" over the low IQs of peoples of color?

Is that a fact, or are you projecting?

Do you aver that IQ is a pseudoconcept, or that "intelligence" is a racist word? I'll listen avec bras ouverts.


You are one fucking low IQ dude, you know that. You can't tell sarcasm when you see it.



Two studies commissioned by the British government...

2007-02-04T15:23:00.000-05:00

Two studies commissioned by the British government.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r159.pdf

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hors293.pdf



3:00 AEI readers like to "drool" over the low IQs...

2007-02-04T15:19:00.000-05:00

3:00

AEI readers like to "drool" over the low IQs of peoples of color?

Is that a fact, or are you projecting?

Do you aver that IQ is a pseudoconcept, or that "intelligence" is a racist word? I'll listen avec bras ouverts.

Polanski



Hmmm, that should be: AEI.

2007-02-04T15:01:00.000-05:00

Hmmm, that should be: AEI.



Simon, great links. Could you post the Charles Mur...

2007-02-04T15:00:00.000-05:00


Simon, great links. Could you post the Charles Murray article again? It relates to something I'd like to comment on.


Google and ye shall find. Or, better yet, visit AEI where many of those nasty, evil, baby eating conservatives who drool over how low the IQ of peoples of color is hang out.



POLANSKI says 11:09 instead of Crystal's panties,...

2007-02-04T14:55:00.000-05:00

POLANSKI says

11:09 instead of Crystal's panties, allow me to suggest the more flavorful, alliterative, and ungrammatical "Precious panties"--that has an aroma all its own

Cedarford offers "A Pile of Feminist Shit," which is surely a great title for something...title of Susan Estrich's next book? C is also correct about the FBI not having stats on false accusations. IMO, that is a stat that will never be nailed down; only approximations will be possible.

No one on this blog has addressed my suggestion for a felony sex-crime statute for false accusers. I find this odd, given its controversial nature.

Speaking of false accusations, I think it would make a great reality-TV show. The logo could be a talking Precious panties: "Arrest those honkies, Sergeant"--something like that

Simon, great links. Could you post the Charles Murray article again? It relates to something I'd like to comment on.

1:24--you're so correct: Angry Studies is stealing money from alumni and Duke parents and students. I dubbed it "academic welfare"



anon 1:45 said The UK study, from TWO YEARS AGO ...

2007-02-04T14:52:00.000-05:00

anon 1:45 said

The UK study, from TWO YEARS AGO that I posted found 3-4% of rape complaints were LIES and 6% were false, e.g did not happen. This study consisted of almost 3000 rape complaints, but it's "PUSSIFIED" and


Can you please post a link to this study and also cite the journal that published it? What I have read usually concludes false rape accusations are between 15-50%. I would be curious to see this study to see how it compares. Thanks.