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Updated: 2017-04-26T12:22:53-05:00

 



APEST and discussion about functions in the church

2017-04-26T12:38:32-05:00

I commented on a post written by Bob Robinson and introduced by Scot McKnight at Scot's blog: Evaluating the APEST Theory of Church Flourishing (Bob Robinson) I enjoyed all these comments. It seems like the first point about the application...I commented on a post written by Bob Robinson and introduced by Scot McKnight at Scot's blog: Evaluating the APEST Theory of Church Flourishing (Bob Robinson) I enjoyed all these comments. It seems like the first point about the application of Granville Sharp's Rule to Eph 4:11 has been disproven, which perhaps merits a retraction or correction in the post above. I do not want to defend the prooftexting use of APEST but I think Bob is incorrect in saying: "Paul talks to Timothy and Titus about the importance of 'presbyteroi' ('elders') and 'episkopoi' ('bishops' or 'overseers.'). These were the key leaders of the early church." I would say in response that the significance of the apostle Paul and his delegate Timothy are assumed in the Pastoral Epistles and therefore it is not the case that the most significant role in the early church were overseers and elders. The most significant role was the apostles. See Gordon D. Fee, "Reflections on Church Order in the Pastoral Epistles," in Listening to the Spirit in the Text (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), 156. Gordon D. Fee, "Laos and Leadership Under the New Covenant," in Listening to the Spirit in the Text (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), 142. There is good reason to retain the missionary emphasis of the "apostle." However, the lists of gifts, functions, and roles in the New Testament vary greatly and give little suggestion that individuals should try to discern their precise label so one should be very cautious with emphasizing titles, labels, self-assessments, etc. The majority of the Christian tradition give little attention to APE roles. The so-called ecumenical consensus is described in the 1982 Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry World Council of Churches document: three offices: overseers (bishops), elders (presbyters), and deacons (with apostle seen as morphing into bishop). I think Gordon Fee is correct that overseers and deacons were sub-sets of the larger category: elders. “The elders in the local churches seem to have been composed of both episkopoi (overseers) and diakonoi (deacons).”Gordon D. Fee, "Laos and Leadership under the New Covenant," in Listening to the Spirit in the Text (Grand Rapids, Mich.: W.B. Eerdmans, 2000), 141. “The term ‘elders’ is probably a covering term for both overseers and deacons.”Gordon D. Fee, "Reflections on Church Order in the Pastoral Epistles," in Listening to the Spirit in the Text (Grand Rapids, Mich.: W.B. Eerdmans, 2000), 157. There is also explicitly in the Reformed tradition a cessationist view of apostles, prophets, and evangelists. John Calvin writes, “According to this interpretation (which seems to me to be in agreement with both the words and opinion of Paul, those three functions [apostles, prophets, and evangelists in Eph 4:11] were not established in the church as permanent ones, but only for that time during which churches were to be erected where none existed before” (Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book IV, Chapter III, Section 4, Beveridge translation, p. 1057). My point is that the APE roles were dismissed for poor exegetical and Christendom reasons and should be recovered. The apostle is conversionary, cross-cultural and community-forming (John G. Flett, Apostolicity: The Ecumenical Question in World Christian Perspective (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic, 2016), 302-305, 318, 324). [...]



Doctorate finished

2016-11-08T16:09:58-06:00

Yesterday, I defended my dissertation at Duke. Yay.

Yesterday, I defended my dissertation at Duke. Yay.

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My 2015-2016 Ministry Leadership syllabi at Bethel Seminary

2016-02-23T13:35:09-06:00

Here are some of my syllabi from the 2015-2016 school year at Bethel Seminary. Introduction to Transformational Leadership (hybrid of online with synchronous sessions and intensive) Download 00 Syllabus ML523 Rowell 2015-09-30 Organizational Leadership and Church Governance (traditional) Download 00...Here are some of my syllabi from the 2015-2016 school year at Bethel Seminary.    Introduction to Transformational Leadership (hybrid of online with synchronous sessions and intensive) Download 00 Syllabus ML523 Rowell 2015-09-30   Organizational Leadership and Church Governance (traditional) Download 00 Syllabus ML615 Rowell 2015-09-30   The Global Mission of the Church (fully online with synchronous sessions) Download 00 Syllabus ML632 Rowell 2015-09-30   Contemporary Models of the Church (fully online with synchronous sessions) Download 00 Syllabus ML714 Rowell 2015-09-30   Discipleship in Community (traditional) Download 00 Syllabus ML506 Trad Spring Rowell 2016-02-04   Missional Outreach and Evangelism (traditional) Download 00 Syllabus ML507 Trad Spring Rowell 2016-02-03   You can see required textbooks at Bethel Seminary at:  http://bookstore.mbsdirect.net/bethelseminary.htm [...]



The significance of a rise in nondenominational churches and multi-site churches

2015-12-09T12:10:25-06:00

The National Congregations Study report from December 2015 (page 5): "The NCS shows . . . an increase in . . . congregations that claim no denominational affiliation. Unaffiliated congregations increased from 18% in 1998 to 24% in 2012, and...The National Congregations Study report from December 2015 (page 5):  "The NCS shows . . . an increase in . . . congregations that claim no denominational affiliation. Unaffiliated congregations increased from 18% in 1998 to 24% in 2012, and the share of churchgoers in those independent congregations increased from 10% in 1998 to 15% in 2012 . . . Non-denominationalism occurs mainly among white evangelical and black Protestant traditions, with 30% of white evangelical Protestant and 25% of black Protestant congregations claiming no official denominational connection in 2012. Independent congregations also tend to be newer than others, with the median congregation founded only 25 years ago versus 82 years ago for affiliated congregations."  One comment about non-denominational churches is that they have "congregational" polity. That is, they are are independent as opposed to being "connectional." Baptist and Pentecostal churches are quite similar to nondenominational churches in that they too are usually "congregational" meaning the local church makes virtually all of the decisions. The good of churches that are "congregational" in polity is that they can be nimble and relate well to the local culture. The "connectional" churches often get their guidelines from denominational headquarters which are sometimes dated and irrelevant. However, "congregational" churches can become "cults" because there is little outside accountability. They often don't realize that they need an "association" or "denomination" until a pastor leaves or there is some other crisis. Whereas "connectional" churches have a structure designed for stability and perpetuity.  I urge nondenominational churches and churches with "congregational" polity to find best practices from other denominations. I think especially here of good policies regarding handling accusations of sexual abuse rather than winging it. It is ignorant and arrogant to flout one's independence as a congregation as if you couldn't possibly learn from other congregations. 1 Cor 14:36 NIV: "Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" Another way for nondenominational churches to learn best practices is for their ministry staff to get theological education. I highly encourage nondenominational churches to have many staff get seminary training so they they nurture a "deep bench" of wisdom from which to draw. I worry about megachurches where only the founder and a teaching pastor have theological education and call the shots and the rest of the ministry staff "execute" their orders. What will happen when the founder falls, leaves, or dies? Why not have lots of ministry staff up and down the organization get grounded in the wisdom of the church globally and historically? Why not have a 30 staff who can pick up the slack rather than one or two more designated hand-picked successors who are teaching pastors?   A nondenominational congregation can also join a denomination that supports congregational polity (Converge Worldwide, Evangelical Free Church, Evangelical Covenant Church, CCCC, Southern Baptist Convention, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, Assemblies of God, Vineyard USA, etc.). They can provide support and advice if a crisis should occur regarding abuse, finances and can provide assistance after a pastor leaves.  On the other hand, denominational churches, that is churches with episcopal or presbyterian polity, should beware of hampering local effectiveness of congregations with bureaucracy and red tape.    Note too this from the National Congregations Study (page 11):  "Multisite Congregations. The development and proliferation of multisite congregations is an interesting recent development in American[...]



Trinitarian Theology and Management Literature Joke

2015-11-25T00:12:26-06:00

God the Spirit offered to go commission Moses. But God the Father said, "No, we need to get the right person on the bush." Inspired by: Jim Collins "get the right person on the bus" (Good to Great). and Andy...

God the Spirit offered to go commission Moses. But God the Father said, "No, we need to get the right person on the bush."

 

Inspired by: Jim Collins "get the right person on the bus" (Good to Great).

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Just wrote down something about Moses encountering the "burning bus," which is an interesting concept

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Pastors vs. Professors use of Twitter

2015-11-25T00:58:14-06:00

I think Twitter is for pastors much less useful than it is for professors. Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell 38m38 minutes agoMinneapolis, MN How large church pastors tweet: UPBEAT sermon one-liners, church, book, guest appearance promotion, vacations, sports. Avoid controversial. 1 retweet2...I think Twitter is for pastors much less useful than it is for professors. Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell  38m38 minutes agoMinneapolis, MN How large church pastors tweet: UPBEAT sermon one-liners, church, book, guest appearance promotion, vacations, sports. Avoid controversial.   1 retweet2 likes Reply   Retweet   1     Like   2   View Tweet activity   More   Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell  23m23 minutes agoMinneapolis, MN A large church pastor's role is to present polished message via sermon; processing on Twitter results in misinterpretation & thus, detracts.   0 retweets0 likes Reply   Retweet         Like       View Tweet activity   More   Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell  15m15 minutes agoMinneapolis, MN Whereas professors find students (who have time and space to process) learn (even conservative ideas) best by reflecting on controversy.   0 retweets0 likes Reply   Retweet         Like       View Tweet activity   More   Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell  3m3 minutes agoMinneapolis, MN Pastors are wary of Twitter detracting from main message; for professors it is a great source of current examples for engaging students.   0 retweets0 likes Reply   Retweet         Like       View Tweet activity   More [...]



We have to be very careful in how we handle allegations of sexual abuse.

2015-11-23T20:59:00-06:00

We have got to be very careful with how we handle allegations of sexual abuse. See Boz Tchividjian's Twitter account for fantastic wisdom and see his organization: http://www.netgrace.org/ Andy Rowell Retweeted Boz Tchividjian ‏@BozT Nov 23 Boz Tchividjian Retweeted Simon...

We have got to be very careful with how we handle allegations of sexual abuse. See Boz Tchividjian's Twitter account for fantastic wisdom and see his organization: http://www.netgrace.org/

 

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Boz Tchividjian Retweeted Simon Bass

I wrote about this tragedy last year. Grateful for the Royal Commission. http://boz.religionnews.com/2014/10/17/hillsong-church-abuse-unreported-perpetrator-rewarded/ …

Boz Tchividjian added,

Simon Bass @SimonNBass
Hillsong's Brian Houston failed to report abuse and had conflict of interest – royal commission http://gu.com/p/4ee5n/stw 
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The procedures churches put in place after a scandal occurs

2015-11-23T20:52:00-06:00

It is far better to put these procedures in place earlier. Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell 22h22 hours agoMinneapolis, MN When your church sullies the name of Christianity in an entire country, you appoint "well-diversified board members, ... 10:32 PM - 23...  It is far better to put these procedures in place earlier.    Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell  22h22 hours agoMinneapolis, MN When your church sullies the name of Christianity in an entire country, you appoint "well-diversified board members, ...       10:32 PM - 23 Nov 2015 · Details 0 retweets0 likes Reply   Retweet         Like       View Tweet activity   More Tweet text Reply to @AndyRowell     Who's in these photos?       Andy Rowell ‏@AndyRowell  22h22 hours agoMinneapolis, MN legal firm, internal compliance team and annual audit using an outsourced firm." http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/kong-hee-tells-church-members-pastor-sorry … Full story: http://news.asiaone.com/tags/city-harvest-trial …   0 retweets0 likes Reply   Retweet         Like       View Tweet activity   More [...]