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These are great and are simple and transferable fo...

2008-06-20T14:07:00.000-06:00

These are great and are simple and transferable for many. I stole them all. Grace & Peace to you!



These are excellent !

2008-05-24T17:56:00.000-06:00

These are excellent !



Great post !!

2008-05-24T17:52:00.000-06:00

Great post !!



Okay!Thanks for the link.

2008-05-22T20:58:00.000-06:00

Okay!
Thanks for the link.



I found my soul!

2008-05-22T18:17:00.000-06:00

I found my soul!



Your stupidity is amazing Grace. What drivel. Now ...

2008-03-16T14:32:00.000-06:00

Your stupidity is amazing Grace. What drivel.

Now these: http://www.seersirc.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1086&p=7872 are some motivational posters with brains, jeeze I know that's hard for your small brain that you think god made out the dirt to handle.

Have a wonderful oblivious life turning away from honesty, and logical thought like they're tumors.

Oh feel free to message me back but don't talk angrily with me, It's not like I made your religion retarded. The Human beings who created that crap work of fiction did! :D Your 18 year old friend,
Calley



Wow Great poster....

2008-03-01T00:19:00.000-07:00

Wow Great poster....



I'm a little behind, I believe, in that I just dis...

2008-02-29T14:32:00.000-07:00

I'm a little behind, I believe, in that I just discovered the TeamPyro posters a few months ago and I've only today discovered these thoughtful rebuttals. Having struggled quite a bit with my roots in (heavily) reformed Christianity and also finding myself (at many points) sharing great affinity with the emergent/ing church folks, I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness. You are officially on my blogroll.



awesome! I found this post through a link from a b...

2007-10-29T13:35:00.000-06:00

awesome! I found this post through a link from a blog that I found trhrough a link to a blog that I found through a link to a blog... like 5 posts deep, ha. It seems like you have a healthy grasp on much of what is crystalizing as emerging theology.



Grace, So I finally just popped over to the spot w...

2007-09-28T18:55:00.000-06:00

Grace,

So I finally just popped over to the spot where all this began, and I have to ask...sincerely...am I a heretic for enjoying and appreciating both your version and theirs?

Certainly, the former is poking fun at Emergents, but is there not truth seeded in the (hopefully not mean-spirited) poke in the ribs? Are they not intended to be tongue in cheek (I honestly don't know...then again looking at the URL, I suppose that's telling).

I love your versions...I had no idea you had generated this much buzz (you go girl, although I KNOW this is not what you were looking for when you posted them in the beginning).

Although I'm not one of your "deeper reads" and I feel out of my league even to comment to you (on spiritual matters), you know I've always appreciated your thoughts and perspective....you articulate well the voice of one trying to seek God above the noise, with a generosity towards all.

That being said...sometimes I see a chip...a superiority among Emergents...is that fair? I think there's merit in the conversation, but not at expense of the Gospel. Sometimes...sometimes...it seems that is relegated to the sidelines.

Probably not making a whole lot of sense...but I finally decided to letcha know I'm checkin' in.



Hi following,It's nice to meet you. First, let me...

2007-08-21T12:43:00.000-06:00

Hi following,
It's nice to meet you. First, let me say that in phrasing each poster, I simply did a word association, using the first thoughts that came to my mind for each term. I don't claim that they are the most precise or definitive explanations of emergent language.

The term Eikon is one that I picked up from Scot McKnight (Jesus Creed). It has to do with being reflections of the image of God. Obviously we are imperfect reflections of His image. The relationship to authenticity would be in being open about our brokenness rather than in trying to present a false image.

I agree with what you said about postmoderns. I personally don't get hung up on modern vs. postmodern, but I am aware that is important to understand the impact it has in perceptions. Personally, I am wary of dogmatic certainty and find myself more comfortable with a process of continual learning and growth.

I'm glad you enjoyed the posters.



These are great. you have really captured the lang...

2007-08-21T11:07:00.000-06:00

These are great. you have really captured the language of emergent. Two questions...What do you mean by "Eikon" in the Authenticity poster? I am not following exactly what you are trying to say. Second, on the Postmodern poster. I don't think they're untroubled by unanswered questions, because that makes it sound like they don't care if they're never answered. Postmoderns just keep looking for the answers, never satisfied with what they have; they're ok with fluidity, being "in-process" all the time, rather than having the "definite" answers of all time to hand out on the street corners. I'm not sure how to form that into a whitty poster comment thought. :) Thanks for putting these together.



Aye it is me - infamous indeed!

2007-08-17T21:49:00.000-06:00

Aye it is me - infamous indeed!



Luis,How nice to know the posters will be enjoyed ...

2007-08-17T13:59:00.000-06:00

Luis,
How nice to know the posters will be enjoyed in Brazil! Blessings to you.

Grendel,
Are you the infamous coffee friend of Hamo? If so, I have read your comments and posts at his blog. It's nice to meet you.

Richard and Tom,
I'm glad you liked them.



Wonderful stuff - the generous orthodoxy image is ...

2007-08-17T11:12:00.000-06:00

Wonderful stuff - the generous orthodoxy image is particularly pertinent to the worldwide Anglican church at the moment



These are quite special. Thank you!

2007-08-17T03:43:00.000-06:00

These are quite special. Thank you!



How about I make some snide intellectual atheist c...

2007-08-16T18:48:00.000-06:00

How about I make some snide intellectual atheist comment that everyone can agree to attack so we can see a little unity from the Christians here?

Grace, I love the thought and the will behind what you have created - even if I don't agree necessarily with the content.

The debate you have sparked is fascinating too, so thank you for that, even if it was an unintended consequence.

Garet, you are quiet clearly a person of considerable intellectual intelligence, but I'd suggest that while you have found (and obviously love) knowledge, you, as yet, lack wisdom.



Great stuff! Those are so powerfull messages that ...

2007-08-14T18:28:00.000-06:00

Great stuff! Those are so powerfull messages that get so stronger with those so beautifull images. I have already used some of them in my personal blog and the blog from my community.
Blessings from Brazil!



Just got back from a long trip and decided to log ...

2007-08-11T11:20:00.000-06:00

Just got back from a long trip and decided to log on to this post and see how far it got.

I was not going to comment till I saw that inclusive conversational statement from the Anonymous PastrD.

For the record all I've done is ask questions and state my own opinion, yet PastrD comes off quite arrogantly. Is this how he seeks to win over people to the ECM also?

I've heard the statement "your God is too small" enough times, does it really require a whole book to expand on it? Jesus I know, Paul I've heard of... who is Phillips?

If PastrD wants to patronise people and pull random book title quotes may I suggest a book title to him? There's an old book that most of us use to reference, it goes by many names but most people simply refer to it as "The Bible". It's full of really useful information.

BTW 20 years experience = 1 year repeated 20 times.

You want to start comparing cars or something?

1 Tim 4:12 - that's in "the bible"



Grace, regardless, you have been soft-spoken and k...

2007-08-09T11:03:00.000-06:00

Grace, regardless, you have been soft-spoken and kind responding to Garet.

In order to keep from writing much, I will simply say that I am a Reformed evangelical. My church is caring, loving; we reach out to our community and share the Gospel to the nations for God's glory and their joy by going to Africa, Taiwan, and China. And our church is growing by his grace, and I think it is much because we choose to focus on the preaching of God's word more than morphing things to get people to be interested. The Bible is the most relevant book ever written. It's truth does not need to change at all. People hear the Gospel and believe it everyday, and it's been like that for nearly two thousand years. Why does it need to be made 'relevant' now?

Plus, I think that we shouldn't be to quick to generalize Paul's love for others and how he worked for Christ. There are times when rebuke and discipline is necessary and loving. Galatians is like that. It was generous in a confronting kind of way. There are hills on which to die. Defending the biblical Gospel is a hill on which to die.




2007-08-09T08:59:00.000-06:00

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hi robby, if you click on garet's blogger profile,...

2007-08-09T06:49:00.000-06:00

hi robby, if you click on garet's blogger profile, on the left handside is section headed 'contact' and the first bulletpoint is email. It seems to have a valid looking email address but i have not tried it



Garet,I DID try to find you, because feeding troll...

2007-08-08T09:48:00.000-06:00

Garet,

I DID try to find you, because feeding trolls on someone else's blog isn't something I want to do. I was hoping to find (as most of us have on our own blogs) an email address where we could talk and seek to understand each other. However, on your blog, there was no such thing (that I could find, anyway).

Feel free to write me from my blog www.robbymac.org, if conversation is something you're interested in.



Well Steve,I prefer to have frank dialogs with peo...

2007-08-08T06:43:00.000-06:00

Well Steve,

I prefer to have frank dialogs with people. Sarcasm is a rhetorical tool, and definitely the most Biblical form of humor. As far as the pot calling the kettle black- that was the point of what you quoted of me. Every emergent I've dialogged with is quick to make assumptions about who I am based on the fact I have critical things to say- the antithesis of what the "conversation" is supposed to be about. When they don't know my age they think I'm some old guy who is too locked in his ways to understand- when they do, I suddenly become too young to know all the "grey areas" of years of ministry.

As far as the "hey dismiss me too", was referring to the reaction to Team Pyro's posters, which have been dismissed as mean and uncharitable, etc. Don't be coy, Steve. Critics of the ECM are dismissed, ignored, and written off by the ECM as adherents to dead religion, or locked into outdated systems of thought. There is a vast disrespect to elders as part of the ECM.(and patronizing doesn't count as showing respect) The "graceful" responses may be syrupy sweet, but then I'm pretty sure the Biblical definition of Grace has little to do with politically correct decorum.

Look, don't feed the troll anymore. I won't be back. If you want to continue a dialog, you can come find me.

By His Grace, Garet



Garet, your comments are very troubling to me. No...

2007-08-07T21:07:00.000-06:00

Garet, your comments are very troubling to me. Not because I think you might be right, mind you. But because somehow you keep managing to point fingers at Grace and yet you appear to be doing the very things you accuse her of doing.

You came into this thread with a very provocative comment, ending with "But, hey, I'm mean and uncharitable, so just dismiss me too."

What kind of response do you want from that? And yet, every time that Grace has responded with...well, with grace...you have responded with a "one-up" kind of comment.

Now, in this last comment, you state, "For the record, you have narrowed me into a category of having perceptions that only you are enlightened enough to recognize."

Excuse me, but that seems very much like a pot/kettle situation, from my perspective.

You obviously have stated some strong negative opinions about the EC. But rather than engage what is actually being said, you just put down what is said by saying it's not good enough or that it's "dubious".

You say you want a doctrinal statement. I would say that I want to see fruit of the Spirit. There is not a single doctrinal position you can hold that would excuse sarcasm or telling someone else that their statements are "dubious". At least none that are reflective of the Spirit of God.

You show me your faith by your doctrinal statement, and I'll show you my doctrinal statement by my life.

Seems to me that Jesus talked quite a bit about that, as did Paul and James.