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Christopher>I'm not sure if you are familiar with ...

2007-05-06T19:57:00.000+08:00

Christopher>I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Sudarium of Oviedo. This answers the question about the other burial cloth of Jesus. It is not as well known as the Shroud, but is another piece of evidence in its support.Thanks for the reminder and the link to Janice Bennett's book, "Sacred Blood, Sacred Image: The Sudarium of Oviedo, New Evidence for the Authenticity of the Shroud of Turin (2001), which I had only just read about in my research on the Sudarium, following your commment. I have now ordered Bennett's book.I had previously heard of the Sudarium, and indeed had several articles which mentioned it, e.g.:"But some scientists have persisted. In 1999 Avinoam Danin, a botanist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, stated at the 16th International Botanical Congress that he found pollen grains on the shroud from plants that could only be found in and around Jerusalem, placing its origins in the Middle East. Further comparison of the shroud with another ancient cloth, the Sudarium of Oviedo (thought to be the burial face cloth of Jesus), revealed it was embedded with pollen grains from the same species of plant as found on the Shroud of Turin. The Sudarium even carries the same AB blood type, with bloodstains in a similar pattern. Since the Sudarium has been stored in a cathedral in Spain since the eighth century, the evidence suggests that the Shroud of Turin is at least as old." (Trivedi, B.P., "Jesus' Shroud? Recent Findings Renew Authenticity Debate," National Geographic, April 9, 2004)"Analysis of the floral images, and a separate analysis of the pollen grains by botanist Uri Baruch identified a combination of plant species that could be found only in March and April in the region of Jerusalem, Danin said. Danin identified a high density of pollen of the tumbleweed Gundelia tournefortii. The analysis also found the bean caper. The two species coexist in a limited area, Danin said. `This combination of flowers can be found in only one region of the world,' he said. `The evidence clearly points to a floral grouping from the area surrounding Jerusalem.' An image of the _Gundelia tournefortii_ can be seen near the image of the man's shoulder. Some experts have suggested that the plant was used for the `crown of thorns.' Two pollen grains of the species were also found on the Sudarium of Oviedo, believed to be the burial face cloth of Jesus. Danin, who has done extensive study on plants in Jerusalem, said the pollen grains are native to the Gaza Strip. Since the Sudarium of Oviedo has resided in the Cathedral of Oviedo in Spain since the eighth century, Danin said that the matchup of pollen grains pushes the shroud's date to a similar age. Both cloths also carry type AB blood stains in similar patterns, Danin said. `The pollen association and the similarities in the blood stains in the two cloths provide clear evidence that the shroud originated before the eighth century,' Danin said. The location of the Sudarium of Oviedo has been documented since the first century. If it is found that the two cloths are linked, then the shroud could be even older, Danin said. The 1988 study used carbon dating tests. Danin noted that the earlier study looked at only a single sample, while he used the entire piece of fabric." ("Study dates Shroud of Turin to before 8th century," CNN/AP, August 3, 1999)"By analyzing the images of plants and actual pollen that transferred to the Shroud, scientists led by botanist Avinoam Danin of The Hebrew University of Jerusalem lent weight to those who believe it to be Christ's burial cloth. `This combination of flowers can be found in only one region of the world. The evidence clearly points to a floral grouping from the area surrounding Jerusalem,' Danin said in a presentation Monday to the International Botanical Congress. Colleagues determined several of the floral and pollen species found on the Shroud bloomed in what is now Israel between May and March, and that another must have been picked in the Judean Desert or the Dead Sea Valley between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. on the day they were plac[...]



I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Sudarium...

2007-05-06T11:15:00.000+08:00

I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Sudarium of Oviedo. This answers the question about the other burial cloth of Jesus. It is not as well known as the Shroud, but is another piece of evidence in its support.