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By: The Truth

Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:26:56 +0000

Kendra Pettengill is a pathological liar. 1. She is a single mother by choice. 2. She is not a widow. 3. Her daughter has never been vaccinated. 4. Her daughter is adopted.



By: Enzo

Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:46:13 +0000

While agreeing with the tenor of this article, I would like to point out that : (A) homeopathy and alternative therapies are not credible alternatives to scientifically-evaluated treatments nor to proper health care - they are part of an industry, a bogus industry of worthless remedies that practices upon our gullibility and ignorance (cf. Quackwatch); and (B) there is a consilience of evidence that vaccination does NOT cause autism: e.g., A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism -- Kreesten Meldgaard Madsen, M.D., et al; N Engl J Med 2003; 348:951-954. ... "Of the 537,303 children in the cohort (representing 2,129,864 person-years), 440,655 (82.0 percent) had received the MMR vaccine. We identified 316 children with a diagnosis of autistic disorder and 422 with a diagnosis of other autistic-spectrum disorders. After adjustment for potential confounders, the relative risk of autistic disorder in the group of vaccinated children, as compared with the unvaccinated group, was 0.92 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24), and the relative risk of another autistic-spectrum disorder was 0.83 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07). There was no association between the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autistic disorder. / Conclusions This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism." "Socialized" medicine here in Australia quite sensibly steers clear of the 'alternative' scene (so you won't be getting chiropractic on Medicare) but does provide free high-quality emergency health care for a mere fraction of the USA-cost (per GDP).



By: Max Shields

Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:44:53 +0000

"It’s time for the left to become self-consciously and purposefully revolutionary." Yes, capitalism is a root cause, but much of what we see in the US is a combination of neglect, lack of purpose, and a legacy of stubborn belief in our "perfect system". Americans have been fed the notion that "we" are the greatest nation, we have a system of near perfection, "given the choices". On a practical level this has stunted our ability to consciously re-invent or transform. While Europe (EU) has a legacy which is not all together dissipated, it has transformed itself rather dramatically (due to their futile total wars of mutual aggression and endless empiral quagmires). Even developing nations are embracing innovative community systems, appropriate technologies, and there is a ground swell (in spite of the Thatcher narrative of TINA) of innovative economics. Health care is but a symptom - a vital one at that - but the issue is deep and cultural as well as economic (there is a symbiotic relationship, no doubt). I do have some issues with Parecon. The issue isn't in all of the details, of which there are many; but with the notion of "blue print economics". We've had our fatal fling with one-size-fits-all economic theories. They have been devastating. Many of the "components" of Parecon are being realized in Workers' Cooperatives throughout South America. The latter are routed in decentralization and sustainable communities as opposed to the monolithic schemes of Marx and Smith (at least as applied by Lenin/Stalin and Keynes/M.Friedman) . Now, health care is certainly a mess. But while it is in large part do to capitalism's profit demands, it is also do to the mindlessness with which the "system" was created. You could say it is the worst example of self-organizing, but it really isn't self-organized. It was never about patients and wellness, but about benefit demands, and fee for service schemes. A self-organized health care system starts first with people. An end to end process view of US health care reveals a broken, no collapsed delivery, with poor outcomes, high costs, and limited access - in a word the worst "system" in the industrialized world - and in some cases developing world. Canada represents a single-payer system with a purpose (people). If you look at its history you'll see that it was a grass-roots movement in Saskatchewan in the 50s gave "birth" to what we see as a relatively effective health care system. It spread to the other Provinces until by 1966 it became the Canadian system. My faith in the state has grown more and more weary and leery. Our health care is far more complex, inefficient, and than it needs to be, do to insurance and privatization. Rosemary, I like your thinking on patient choice.



By: rosemarie jackowski

Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:04:17 +0000

I agree with Eric. The root of the the problem is Capitalism. Health care for profit causes 18,000 deaths every year. That is like having a 9/11 every 60 days. A single payer system can be any way that we want it. I favor giving parents the choice of what kind of medical treatment should be given to their children. The only role for the government is the collecting and dispursement of the funds. All medical decisions should be made by the parent or patient and the doctor or other medical provider.



By: Eric Patton

Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:39:03 +0000

The problem is not the U.S. health system. That's just a symptom of the real problem, which is capitalism. The solution to both "problems" of health care as addressed by Moore's movie, as well as "their way or the highway" socialized medicine, is an economic system that provides for self-management for workers and consumers. Participatory economics, or parecon, is just such an economy. In addition to fostering the self-management required to allow patients a say over their own care, parecon also fosters equity, solidarity, and diversity. In a parecon, everyone will have access to health care, and everyone (caregivers as well as patients) will have a say over decisions that affect them in proportion to how they're affected. You don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and support either "socialized medicine" (Moore), or "mayonnaise jars". You can have your cake and eat it too. But to see that, you must first expand your field of vision. You have to aim higher. You have to stop thinking about reforms within the existing capitalist system, and instead think about transcending capitalism altogether -- the technical term for which is "revolution." It's time for the left to become self-consciously and purposefully revolutionary. In the particular case of economics, it's time for the left to reject capitalism, as well as the socialism of countries like the former Soviet Union, and instead aim for an economy-wide revolution in the form of participatory economics (while, of course, not neglecting issues of gender, race, or authority).