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Updated: 2009-01-13T09:02:40.316-07:00

 



fr'nklin,Your comment means a lot to me. If you, ...

2007-02-15T08:00:00.000-07:00

fr'nklin,
Your comment means a lot to me. If you, as a leader, can read through this and not find it invalidating of your role, then I was able to convey what I intended. Thank you!



grace...this series has been absolutely beautiful....

2007-02-15T06:24:00.000-07:00

grace...this series has been absolutely beautiful. after reading this i feel comfortable being a "leader" (can i still use the word?) in my church plant. i've been SO UNCOMFORTABLE w/ "leadership" - i've hated that word. when i read about leadership in the way you've described i resonate w/ it. i'm good at dancing on other ppl's shoes and having them dance on mine. i'm not good at holding "dance classes" where i am the cheif dancer who tells everyone the right moves to make. i'm also a helluva father;)...i love that "job" more than any in the world. thanks for all you've written on this...wow.



Yes, that is an awesome quality God. While he doe...

2007-02-12T17:22:00.000-07:00

Yes, that is an awesome quality God. While he doesn't need us he wants us. And he invites us to join him without mandating it.



Bryan,I'm not sure if I've hit exactly on what you...

2007-02-12T17:15:00.000-07:00

Bryan,
I'm not sure if I've hit exactly on what you are asking. The way I see it, Jesus has all authority, we all submit to him, then we submit mutually to one another.

We also have delegated authority as agents of God in the earth, to subdue, have dominion, be fruitful and multiply, etc.

Jesus really never uses the power of his authority in relationship with us. He invites, we choose.



Alan, that was good. I echo Corrie's sentiments! G...

2007-02-12T07:14:00.000-07:00

Alan, that was good. I echo Corrie's sentiments!

Grace, this has been an excellent series. I asked earlier, I think on #2 (sorry I'm late to the game), about the interplay of authority. I think you get at some of that here, with your discussion of power. I'm still trying to figure out how authority works in God's Kingdom. Clearly, Jesus has all authority. Beyond that principle, what?



Thanks sonja!Great thoughts ksg. Ownership of the...

2007-02-12T07:11:00.000-07:00

Thanks sonja!

Great thoughts ksg. Ownership of the vision does produce a different mentality among those involved.

alan,
I've really appreciated interacting with your thoughts on this also. There is lots of wisdom in your approach to this topic.

corrie,
Go ahead and quote alan and be sure to read his post that I've linked to in my next post.



Corrie,Certainly, you may quote me. Make sure you ...

2007-02-10T22:06:00.000-07:00

Corrie,

Certainly, you may quote me. Make sure you spell my name correctly: g-r-a-c-e. ;)

-Alan



Wow, Alan. That should be on a plaque hanging in ...

2007-02-09T23:29:00.000-07:00

Wow, Alan. That should be on a plaque hanging in every Christian household, church and organization.

Is it alright to quote you?



grace,You asked: "What degree of service would we ...

2007-02-09T18:01:00.000-07:00

grace,

You asked: "What degree of service would we still participate in if there were no acknowledgment or recognition of our role?"

If we are not willing to serve without title, position, acknowledgment, recognition, or role, then we are NOT serving.

-Alan



Grace... I've been enjoying all the leadership ser...

2007-02-09T16:56:00.000-07:00

Grace... I've been enjoying all the leadership series with nods, and "yep that's right"'s and any other way I can agree.

The two points I key on in this post...
1)leaders step down from control
2)followers step up to take responsibility


Different leadership requires different followership.

This ties in to your last post regarding vision. If the pastor as CEO casts the vision for the church based upon what God has called him to, then the rest of us are just managers or employees, but if the church casts the vision based upon God’s corporate & individual calls then the whole local body become owners (actually…first stakeholders and later shareholders).

But, it is incredibly easy if you are a leader type to just do it yourself, or if you are a follower type to sit back and let someone else do it for you.



The picture of a little girl dancing on her daddy'...

2007-02-09T12:20:00.000-07:00

The picture of a little girl dancing on her daddy's shoes and then growing up to eventually dance on her own is breathtaking and beautiful. I love how fluid that picture is.



grace,I just wanted to say, that I'll be off for t...

2007-02-09T12:14:00.000-07:00

grace,
I just wanted to say, that I'll be off for the weekend while my parents are visiting. I'll be back Monday to respond to comments.

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. :)



Bob,I was reluctant to use parenting as an example...

2007-02-09T09:07:00.000-07:00

Bob,
I was reluctant to use parenting as an example because of authoritarian mentalities of parenting.

Also, I believe that in the early years of parenting the relationship has more of a ruling-over nature than we would ever have in leading a brother in Christ.

However, I also agree that there are some beautiful parallels with good parenting, especially the idea of stewarding well our opportunity to serve and nurture.

Robby,
Are you saying Frank wouldn't agree with me? He'd probably have to stand in line behind many others who also wouldn't agree.

That's okay. After a couple of years of processing, these are the thoughts that I'm willing to put in black and white and own today.

There is still plenty I am processing about how this can be realistically played out in every different kind of structure.



Great thoughts, Grace, but you'd better hope Frank...

2007-02-09T08:47:00.000-07:00

Great thoughts, Grace, but you'd better hope Frank Viola doesn't discover your blog!



Awesome stiff, Grace!Of course, if leadership find...

2007-02-09T07:27:00.000-07:00

Awesome stiff, Grace!

Of course, if leadership finds its closest parallel in parenthood, I don't know who could have the stomach for it.

I experience my deepest anguish when I fail my children. I experience my highest elation when I watch them succeed. I feel my greatest pride and joy when they take my hand and thereby "own" me.

This is a hard teaching...