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By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech » Blog Archive » Top 5 Blog Posts I Wrote in 2007

Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:09:38 +0000

[...] If you ain’t a feed, I don’t read…This post got me in a bit of hot water (most of which was engaged via email) but I really learned quite a bit. Not that I would totally change my post but see the perspectives of the other side a bit better. [...]



By: Scott S. Floyd

Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:42:19 +0000

Dean, I shared this same view with a group of National Writing Project teachers at UT-Arlington this past week. As a result, we went through the process of setting up a Bloglines account for everyone present. Then they took off on their own. They went to my Bloglines list, exported my list, and imported into their own accounts. Did you notice a bump in subscribers last week about Tuesday or so? They then spent the rest of the morning moving through each of my feeds deciding on their own if they found it useful or not. It gave them a good start and a great conversation as a group. Noticing how one post gave links to other great posts by other wonderful educators really seem to light their fires with RSS. It is easy to sit back and think that everyone should know about this stuff already. They don't. Our education programs in universities are not teaching them these things (some do, I know, most don't). It is a shame. I think it should be taught in late middle school or early high school to help build and create lifelong learners. That is the type of teacher I want to hire. That is the type of teacher I want teaching my son. Maybe we should add that to the resume: Bloglines/Google Reader feed address: ____________________________ When they come and ask us what the heck it means, we know where the app will reside. Harsh, I know.



By: Jennifer Maddrell

Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:15:56 +0000

one wish granted ... http://www.marcprensky.com/blog/



By: Tina Steele

Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:52:59 +0000

I went to David Warlick's blogging workshop at NECC07 this year (end of June) and I have been totally hooked on blogging! The best tool I have is my rss! I love adding and organizing my feeds! Reading them is so invigorating! I feel like for the first time since my masters program (I graduated in Dec. 2005), I am actually stimulating my brain again! I have learned so much and I can't wait to share what I am learning with everyone around me! I'm driving everyone crazy with all the new lingo!



By: mrsdurff

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:53:44 +0000

Let me ask for you.



By: Emma

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:34:35 +0000

Hi Mrs D, Yes, most of what I've found assumes that you'd planned the blog move, not that the server keels over ... and tech support rescue & move the files, & set up the redirects, but you can't access the old material to generate that final post... Twitter - I've not got into that, so even if I were to have an account, I'd be Billy-no-mates there!



By: mrsdurff

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:34:03 +0000

Emma - usually people post a goodye, we've moved on the old blog for people to change their RSS, I'm not sure what one does if no one can access an old blog. Did you Twitter this question? I bet someone knows!



By: Emma

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:15:48 +0000

One problem that I've only just discovered about RSS, is that it doesn't seem to be possible to redirect it... I've had to move my blog, due to a server breakdown, and consequently the decision to move all staff websites to the same server (i.e. a new one). While it's been possible for them to set up a redirection from the old blog's home page to the new one, people who just have the RSS feed & nothing else can't get to find the new URL. They will just think I've gone silent unless they try to find me. Had I known it was going to die, then I could have ensured that the last post in the old blog was the new URL, but I didn't. Unless anyone knows of a way of redirecting an RSS feed??



By: Dean Shareski

Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:41:38 +0000

Sylvia, Great point...especially in regards to books. I think you've hit a key point here. Yet, I rethink Naked Conversations and there's still something there about marketing as well, what does it hurt to blog? It can't be seen as a waste of time if you are one trying to get a message across...Write the book and blog!



By: sylvia martinez

Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:33:56 +0000

Hi Dean, I'm certainly not going to argue with you about your choice (or source) of reading material. Your exploration, however, is more open. To me, it's just a matter of time, and RSS is still very early technology for most people. i'd say it's far from a killer app. Even email is not mainstream, even in the US. You and I may obsessively check our email/blog reader/twitter every few minutes, but lots more people don't. They win, because we have to meet them where they live, in the least common denominator of communication. People write books because people read books. If one changes, the other will too. There may be a long tail, but it's going to be long time before a long tail can wag a far away dog. It's also likely that a person who is not blogging is simply shrewdly judging their audience and prioritizing their time. The numbers just don't support jumping on the blog bandwagon unless 1) it's personally rewarding to you, or 2) your intended audience is a segment that's already there. For example, blogging about using blogs is a slam dunk. Blogging about video games or video making or running a school may be less so.



By: mrsdurff's cont' thoughts...

Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:55:51 +0000

So, Devil's Advocate, will you tire of this charade and reveal your name or shall I?



By: Devil's Advocate

Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:48:18 +0000

Where is the lack of transparency? In this context I have made my view and my motivations clear, and already have an identity, that of Devil´s Advocate. Would you like a CV?



By: Devil's Advocate

Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:41:05 +0000

It probably depends on the listservs you are on. They can develop a character of their own in which intense discussion ise interlaced with more conversational interaction. You get to know people with time, you participate in the discussions you want to and when the discussion is over for you you can say so:) I havent found that to be a problem. I agree with you about the blog of proximal development, it is an interesting process, as I say there are exceptions. I guess what some of those resistant to blogging are uncertain about or resistant to, is the sense that after spending half an hour reading blogs you often have the sense of four five interesting ideas, not yet followed through, and these people would rather spend that time reading a fully developed version of one of them. Agreed about following the individual over time, but we do this through their other publications too. I make these comments because the blogosphere often seems to think, "if everybody knew about this wonderful thing than it would all change". It probably takes work to understand why people dont jump happily on to the bandwagon, rather than simply branding them narrow or slow :)



By: mrsdurff's cont' thoughts...

Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:39:53 +0000

Possibly because your ethics would demand transparency and responsibilty? Maybe it is possible to word this view differently so your doubly hidden true views are more readily seen? "If you're not willing to lose your job, you're not going to be able to do your job." This quote can apply here. I do not consider myself self-congratulatory, in fact when i received an 'A' on a recent course, i congratulated the twitterverse because my networked earned it, not I. Please alert me if i am otherwise. Ever Transparent Durff



By: Devil's Advocate

Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:29:58 +0000

Mrs Durff If I am playing Devil's Advocate, attempting for the sake of the discussion to inject another discordant view into this often self-congratulatory "echo chamber", then why should I wish to associate my name in the archives with this view. I do not espouse the views I have posted (hence the nick) and don't wish to be associated with them, but I think they should be heard and I guess those that really hold them are busy elsewhere. The length of your comment is interesting, it is like a conversational put-down, and common in the comments section of many blogs.



By: Dean Shareski

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:26:42 +0000

Devil's Adovcate, To me there is also a big difference in the form and content of email vs. blogs. Even e-lists. Emails are generally for quick, let's-get-things-done type content. List-servs perhaps do have a more conversational tone but the problem is no one owns it. That's okay for some things but I prefer to follow an person and their journey of learning over time. There writing is in context not simply interspersed among others viewpoints. Agreed, some blogs are like staff room conversations but I l like many of those conversations and people. Not all but I choose the ones I prefer. But lest you think all are not thought out, try reading Konrad Glogowski. http://www.teachandlearn.ca/blog/ I have to read his stuff about 3 times before I get it all....very deep thinker. Add to that list: Clarence Fisher, Darren Kuropatwa, George Seimens and Ewan Mcintosh just to name a few. The power of blogging is that ideas are often connected and expanded upon. That rarely happens in emails. And again in listserves it's hard to break away from the discussion nicely. I still see your point but it's not the way for me anymore.



By: mrsdurff's cont' thoughts...

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:42:37 +0000

Devil's Advocate - very narrow, esp if you don't have the nerve to identify yourself.



By: Dean Shareski

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:38 +0000

Devil's Advocate, I appreciate your views and recognize their validity. Obviously in terms of day to day or localized learning, RSS and blogs may not be all that important (yet, IBM, Google, Microsot rely heavily on blogs for their workers to build culture and learning). My post is a bit more directed at folks who already are trying to reach a large or global audience. If they don't blog, I will likely not find out about them. That's fine but I think the numbers like me may be growing...maybe not, I don't have any data just perception but admittedly my perception is fairly narrow. Also, for me RSS and bloggers are certainly not my Sunday supplement but rather my daily news.



By: Devil's Advocate

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:27:31 +0000

My work environment uses email and messaging (as in messages to and from specific people, not twittering) heavily (and it works just fine too) I am on a range of e-lists, and they integrate nicely into the day, I get quite a lot of serendipitous thought out of that. I have the rest too, the whole RSS bit, but I cant pay attention day to day, the mail is enough. I catch up on Sundays, and thats what the blogosphere is to me, it is like the Sunday supplements, interesting, thought provoking, but not quite "citable". Few bloggers argue their points right out, it is like a staffroom conversation rather than an fully worked out article, with a few august exceptions. And all credit to the importance of that kind of conversation, I read them avidly, on Sundays. But, on weekdays I can't move away from the central role of email and messaging just yet....



By: ismael

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:52:11 +0000

Sorry for self-citation, but this morning I got published a paper just about this (with a bias on development, but the core subject being the same): the role of blogging (and other practices) on one's identity and knowledge diffusion: The personal research portal: web 2.0 driven individual commitment with open access for development



By: Jane Perzyk

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:59:41 +0000

@Dave Sherman - Dave, I am wondering if you somehow could add a link to your blog from your school homepage. Would that generate more traffic and obviate the need for an RSS feed? The link could be included NEXT to "What's New" and you could ditch the "Today's Weather" link because you have the weather icon at the bottom of the page!



By: Cathy Nelson

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:53:50 +0000

Durff (and Dean) I pulled my sister in today!! She is flabbergasted by the possibilities. She is a nurse practitioner/educator. One at a time...one at a time.



By: mrsdurff's cont' thoughts...

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:42:38 +0000

I do agree but.... we need to bringing everyone into this wonderful echo chamber we have going here. If people don't blog, we must encourage them to join the conversation. If they have a blog, but no RSS, we must educate how to be more efficient. I too don't read anything outside of my RSS. But it wasn't always so. We were all beginners once. I am, of course, a perpetual newbie, but you knew that... Who did you pull into the echo chamber this week?



By: mrsdurff

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:33:08 +0000

Are you not the lead administrator in charge of those teachers? Tell them they must, provide the URL to parents, and be done with it. If people want to know, they will go to whatever site you use. If they don't know and it was posted...oh well....



By: mrsdurff

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:15:55 +0000

Oh I agree! I hate listservs - they, and all their relatives, are so static...thank you!! I concur!!!



By: CHris Duke

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:48:51 +0000

I agree. I spend more time in Google Reader than at any other site or tool - save Twitter via TwitBin which gets equal use. Anything I read, blogs, professional development, news of interest to me (local, Major League Baseball) - all comes to ME. I also try to publish as much as I can - either directly through my blogs or through resyndicating articles I find of particular interest via Google Reader tags (for others wanting a "best of" type list) see: http://tinyurl.com/3d5s8d I'd like to add to your comment though - can we please STOP WITH THE LISTSERVS!!! The distribution of messages should occur through a discussion board with an RSS feed. mailbucket.org also allows email to rss - which I've started trying to use for a view listservs I'm on - but with tools like Ning.com that have community blog aggregator with an RSS feed and a discussion board with an RSS feed; the idea of using a listserv baffles me. -Chris



By: Cathy Nelson

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:53:05 +0000

Dean--My sentiments exactly!! I had always considered myself a person in the know. As a school library media specialist (teacher-librarian!), I feel it is my job to be up on newest trends in education. By reading my RSS daily, I have grown knowledge wise by leaps and bounds. So what do we do? Continue to share the wealth of information. Just today i added my blog address to my signature file in hopes of getting interest. Maybe I should also add a link to a reader?? Since many of my contacts love email, I can subliminally get them to read blogs, and perhaps subscribe to a few! Great post. I'm 100% in agreement with you.



By: Diane Hammond

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:49:20 +0000

I had this discussion (yet again) this weekend as I showed the friends and relatives of my daughter-in-law, (who's headed off to work in an orphanage in Ecuador), her new blog. Most people seem to be afraid of the "volume" of information they might pull in. They don't seem to be aware that your RSS reader can be almost dynamic, adding and dropping feeds as your interests change. New reading skills need to be taught, so people can learn how to manage the information flow by skimming, tagging, editing feeds.



By: Dave Sherman

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:42:53 +0000

Ditto with the above comments. I love RSS and all the information it brings to me. My frustration as a principal is that I can't get others to buy into the RSS world. I would much rather use my blog for school news and for discussing school-related issues, but parents and teachers are not going there enough for it to be successful. I am still writing an old-fashioned newsletter to parents because if I relied solely on my blog, most of the parents would not receive important school news and information. In addition to the newsletter, I write in my blog, and often I write similar about topics which is more work for me, and wastes valuable time. The blog should be my main vehicle for communication, but if parents won't use RSS, they will miss a lot and then complain that I do not communicate well with them! I think the mass-usage of RSS is still a few years away, even though it is such a great application. 5 have tried to teach and persuade parents to use RSS, but most still don't. I can't even convince my wife! Why are people so resistant to this, especially now that most everyone has accepted email as an effective means of communication? Dave



By: Graham Wegner

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:01:17 +0000

And the other really good thing about RSS is that it elevates ordinary blokes like me into the conversation. Not blogging if you have lots to say educationally is a big misread of where communication and technology is these days.