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Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Julia S

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:35:13 +0000

The idea of IVF is very controversial and I have come to the conclusion that I cannot condemn it under certain conditions. The main condition would be that they re-implant all the embryos back into the mother after fertilization. I am assuming that personhood begins at conception and that may be from inside or outside the womb. God has given man a lot of wisdom and I feel that we need to be careful on how we use that wisdom. I personally might not use IVF but I will not look down on others that do decide to do so. The couple in the scenario mentioned should be made aware of all the possible things that could happen with the embryos. I have a problem with discarding of the embryos because of my assumption that they are already persons. I would use natural law to say that freezing the embryos is also wrong. We shouldn’t feel right freezing humans and wait until we are ready for them. The only moral thing I see doing with the embryos is implanting them all back in the mother. I do not agree with using PGD for the reasons that Tom wants to. His reason would be to determine which persons not to implant back into the mother. God does not discriminate against any illness in the bible and neither should we. It is in my view morally wrong to throw people out simply because they may have a disease. If we could agree that the embryo is a person, then we could agree that we should not go around killing every person we know because they have an illness. I feel that the idea of killing off certain genders of embryos or ones with illnesses is unnatural. I would fight this because when we have normal conception we have no control over the gender or health of our child. God says that he makes everyone in his image, so we do not have the right to determine what his image would look like.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Julie Cooper

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:28:42 +0000

First of all, I don't think in vitro fertilization is wrong. However, in the event that embryos are frozen or destroyed, I do think it is wrong, because it involves freezing or destroying human persons. I think that this couple is now in a difficult situation because they have created a high number of embryos, and it is unlikely that they would implant all of them. I regards to testing the embryos for Huntington's, I don't think it would be wrong in itself to go through with the test. However, I do find it morally wrong to leave any embryo indefinately frozen. I also understand his wish to show compassion to the embryos by not letting them into the world given their disease, but I also think destroying or leaving the embryos frozen would also harm them. I highly dislike the idea of using PGD to do gender selection. I find this highly unnatural and selfeshly eliminating embryos due solely to their gender. I do think that PGD could be considered a modern form of eugenics. Just because the person being eliminated is a very young person, it doesn't change the fact that they are being eliminated because of certain "imperfect" traits they possess.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Caitlyn Brooks

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:38:18 +0000

I do not agree with invetro fertilization. I think it is completely unnatural and not right. I believe that women are so misinformed about their bodies that they believe they have infertility issues when in actuality they don't. The same goes for men. Also the majority of the problem (when their is an infertility problem) is mere caused by the individual being under or over weight. God designed bodies to be able to reproduce to the best of their abilities, but some bodies are not ideal for reproduction because of excess of fat or are under the amount of fat the body needs to succesfully reproduce. I am not saying true infertility problems don't occur, I am just saying that number is alot lower than reported. As far as invetro I completely disagree with it. I understand the desire to have ones own children but there are so many children out there who need good parents and a good home. These couples could adopt a child. They could also see what natural routes to take so that they may have their own child (I recommend the book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility"). Because I think Invetro in general is wrong, I definately think that picking and choosing specific genes in invetro is wrong.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Nick M

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:21:36 +0000

ALSO in my opinion. ANYONE who is against invetro because there are so many orphans in this world should also re-assess if they are for procreation through intercourse. Both are a means of creating new life, while neither of them address the issue of orphans in the world. I argue that there should be no disconnect between these two methods for bringing about life. These individuals MUST be careful NOT to condemn or blindly criticize parents who undergo or pursue invetro.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Nick M

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:14:56 +0000

I have no problems with Invetro if. 1. No more than 3 or 4 ova are fertilized. (this is a matter of responsibility) 2. All that are fertilized are implanted (this is a matter of sanctity of life) Although i personally do not have any desire to pursue invetro, and if i cannot have children on my own i will adopt. I have trouble sympathizing with a naturalistic approach, especially when these same people would address other situations accepting non-natural ways to save lives. (Such as a Defibrillator, vaccines, life support etc.) An argument against my opinion could be that these things i have highlighted are saving lives, not creating them... i argue that we as man cannot produce a life that God would not love and cherish or that it would be someone who he did not die for. Tom and Karen should have thoroughly considered the possibility of Tom having the disease before they began the process invitro. Once embryos have been formed i consider them persons, thus embryos must be implanted, regardless of and predetermined diseases, because not implanting to me is murder, because persons begin at conception.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Hope C.

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:28:58 +0000

While I have no problem with IVF (as long as no embryos are destroyed), I have strong concerns when it comes to PGD. Ultimately, an embryo is destroyed as a result of this procedure. Yes, a baby can still develop if one embryo is destroyed, however that embryo is a human being, according to my own ethical beliefs. As for specific case of the couple in the case study. I am not totally convinced Tom's request is reasonable. On the one hand, I can sympathize with the fact that he doesn't want his child to experience this terrible disease. On the other hand, it doesn't seem natural for Tom to use PGD to try to avoid passing this disease to his child. Of course one can argue that IVF is unatural as well. That point I can agree with. But I believe PGD is even more unatural. Despite this, I believe Maliaka makes a valid point. Some of the embryos are not going to make it anyway, so it does seem morally permissble to allow Tom to use PGD to avoid passing the disease on to his child. While I understand Tom's motivation for wanting to use PGD, and realize that some embryos won't be implanted anyway, I am still not at peace ethically when it comes to PGD. As for the idea of 'designer babies,' I totally disagree. Such a thing seems even more blatant and morally wrong than PGD or even IVF. When parents decide they want to design their baby, they are crossing into dangerous territory and attempting to take over the role of God.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by erinne

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:17:17 +0000

First of all, i would like to point out as i believe we discussed in class that it is unfair, even if the early beginnings originated with Nazi Germany, to always compare situations to the Nazis and the Holocaust for sympathies sake. Let us instead look at it for what it is. I think as we discussed in class the implication that is specifically stated that we should be pointing out is what happens to all of the other 11 embryos?? obviously, it is wrong to discard and arguably wrong to freeze and store these embryos as the end result is most often destruction. We all know that obviously taking matters into our hands in this way is not trusting God and his plan for the precious life we are bringing into the world. I have to admit though that facing this situation myself, i would also desire to be able to eliminate the suffering of my child from the very likely chance that they too will suffer from the disease. how awful to watch as the child you love suffers and deteriorates, dying at a "young" age and not being able to live out a full life when you might possibly be able to eliminate this. however, we must ask ourselves, who are we to determine the years someone should live or the quality of life they should possess? this is of course an impossibly hard situation in which we must all have compassion. I know the correct situation is to trust the Lord's direction and plan, but i have to be compassionate in realizing that the situation would be an impossible one and one that i hopefully never have to find myself in.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Catherine Hernandez

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:57:31 +0000

I agree with Amber. To go through all that trouble with IVF and then not be happy with what kind of embryos resulted is just unbelievable to me. I personally am not a fan of IVF, especially when there are so many orphans in the world. I do think that genetic selection through PGD is a form of eugenics because we are choosing who lives. Who are we to pick which humans serve the right to live while others should not? All those embryos are human persons, even the ones with Huntington. I realize the very difficult situation that Tom is in. It is important to note that no matter what, there will be embryos left behind. The damage is already done. In this case even though I hesitate to say it, I would permit Tom to choose the embryos that are not infected with the disease and to freeze the remaining embryos for embryo adoption. I personally believe that these people will need to ask for forgiveness; it is very likely that because of them and their decision that human persons will die.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Amber Prince

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:04:14 +0000

PGD (Preimplantation genetic diagnosis) is not something I agree with. To me it sounds much like trying to create a perfect race, and it does sound similar to what the Nazis did in Germany with the Holocaust. If God is sovereign (divine command theory) then I believe that He knows what He is doing when He creates a child and that He does not make mistakes. If you are going to be having a child that might not be labeled as "normal," that is okay. But if I am going to say this I must be ready to help any mother that needs help with her child. Which I totally agree with. To go with IVF and then turn around and decide not to have a child anyway because of some sort of possible complication sounds contradictory. I know with my youth pastor's wife back home that did have IVF to have children, her son had some issues with the size of his head and how his skull and brain were growing, etc. I am not sure if they knew that beforehand, but I do not think it would have been right to end his life based on that evidence even though it has caused them to have to pay several medical bills.

Comment on PGD and Genetic Selection by Kyle Kirby

Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:09:45 +0000

Personally I have nothing against married couples using in vitro fertilization when they have the problem of infertility, as long as embryos are not being destroyed or frozen. Unfortunately Tom and Karen have 12 embryos to deal with, which means 8 of these will have to be thrown away or frozen. Since Tom has discovered the possibility of some of these embryos having Huntington's disease I do not have a problem with them using PGD as a tool to pick out 4 embryos without the Huntington trait. I cannot blame them for not wanting to bring a person into the world that would have to suffer from this awful disease if it is possible to prevent. However, I do not find it appropriate for the couple to use PGD as a tool to choose the gender of their child because this is not being done to prevent future suffering, but instead being used to choose a child's gender because of personal preference.