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Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Walt

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 04:49:07 +0000

Haven't been here in a while so the TUE, whatever that is, is something new to me. But if people are discussing the world becoming uninhabitable you might check a Harvard study a year or two ago that found CO2 levels of 500ppm caused reduced brain function in students, and because some classrooms tend to have much higher CO2 levels than that, in a room with stagnant air we might be lecturing to virtual zombies. My question here is about a NOVA program, now on video, that came out over 10 years ago, titled "Dimming the Sun" caused a serious discussion about particulates and aerosols which were having a bigger effect than people realized. I remember that it caused a lot of discussion and eventually the 2013 IPCC report suggested possibly, on the last page or so, that geoengineering could reduce the speed of warming - or something like that. I use that film and the latest reports from NOAA in a big conservation-oriented course and received a notice from the Dean's office that the information in that video was retracted within one week of its original airing, which I think is BS from some idiot who spent too much time reading material from the Heartland Institute or listening to Alex Jones rant about systematic data forging. As someone who remembers Heidi Cullen being fired from The Weather Channel for suggesting that meteorologists be required to take a course in Climatology, the fact that the AMS is now saying the same general thing as the climatologists means they are seeing the same things in their data and those data can always be checked by anyone watching the weather programs on the TV. Thus Jones's rant about data forging goes down in flames. So does anybody know about the NOVA program?



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Thomas

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 03:35:05 +0000

"For ages scientists have been using our graphs and our data and our facts to try to communicate our science but it's been demonstrated that this doesn't really work very well," Dr Verges says. "It very rarely influences people's opinions and hardly ever motivates action. Storytelling, in contrast, is emerging as a very clear way to communicate environmental issues." http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/climate-fiction-forum-sees-tv-drama-as-one-solution-to-global-warming-20170815-gxwew4.html Thanks to advances in supercomputing and pooling hundreds of climate models developed by researchers across the world, they are also more statistically confident than ever in saying that intense storms, droughts and record-breaking heat waves are occurring with increased frequency because of humans. “Ten years ago we wouldn’t have been able to do so,” says Ken Kunkel, a climate scientist at North Carolina State University who also works with the NOAA. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/does-climate-change-cause-extreme-weather-events-180964506/ Scientists Just Worked Out How Zinc-Air Batteries Can Replace Lithium-Ion Batteries https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/08/dead-set-legends-australian-scientists-just-worked-out-how-zinc-air-batteries-can-replace-lithium-ion-batteries/



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by nigelj

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 03:02:21 +0000

Nemesis @283 "greed is the fuel of capitalism, greed is the engine of capitalism. The more greed, the more consumption, the more profit, the more capitalism. Tell these gangsters at the Wall Street or ExxonMobil or the Deutsche Bank about your hope." Yes, I can see you talking to these guys" Greed is not the fuel of capitalism. The fuel is just the desire for a better life or to make a profit. Definition of greed, from google search: greed intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food. Don't conflate greed with just wanting to get ahead or make a profit. The gangsters of wall street are indeed odious people driven by odious levels of greed, but not everyone in the finance industry is driven to that extent. I know this from personal experience. Its shades of grey. And sociopaths driven by pure greed will always be with us operating in any economic system, unless you wish to lock them up for their greed? So its not unique to capitalism, just look at the USSR. The only societies that had a high level of sharing and egalitarianism are ancient hunter gatherers. Its probably too late for humans to go back to that. Maybe thats a shame in some ways. And even the greed of wall street can be of benefit, if governments regulate the sector more firmly to contain the worst excesses. Perhaps you are young and dont know much economic history, as wall street was not always as "greedy" and out of control. Good book on the out of control, greedy financial sector "Other Peoples Money, by John Kay" "I see, “In god we trust”, written on the dollar bill, is just a misprint, it should have been “In colored paper we trust.” It's not on our money in my country. Some people worship money. Anything can become a personal god, obsession, addiction, or destructive and I'm not saying I'm immune because I have had my share of addictions. But not everyone worships money. Have a nice day!



Comment on Sensible Questions on Climate Sensitivity by -1=e^ipi

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 03:01:18 +0000

nice blog post. very well referenced.



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Nemesis

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:34:15 +0000

@nigelji, #280 " We need a higher purpose and look for this, but you sound more like escapism." Yes, we need a higher purpose, than religious consumerism and greed for profit. Why do I sound like escapism? Is it, because I talk about sharing or is it, because I talk about letting go, consuming little, being humble, and, as an individual, preparing for leaving some day? Sharing is a must. Without sharing, your family would not exist. Homo Sapiens is a family and without sharing, he will go extinct. And when I talk about leaving as an individual some day, I mean, that's reality: We live some decades, if we are lucky, and then we are gone. So why hoard things, why hoard money, why follow the stupid road of greed? We need food, we need water, we need some clothes, we need some shoes, some housing, we need Nature (YES, we do), we need culture, maybe spirituality or some poetry at least and we need to share material things and immaterial things, but we don't need 200PS cars, we don't need private jets, we don't need swiming pools, we don't need millions and millions of products in the supermarkets ect ect ect. Just meditate about what you REALLY need for 5 minutes every day and just get rid of the rest, give it back to the Fire and you might be on the road to freedom and enlightenment. And leave the rest to your children and grandchildren, so they can live on a beautiful, healthy planet and not in Real Hell. You live on in your children for real. You live on, when you die. Dying is living, living is dying. Look at Mother Nature: That's what she teaches every single day, every single minute. Breathing in, breathing out, that's the tide of Nature, the tide of the Cosmos, eternally.



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Mike Roberts

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:28:34 +0000

Well, Nemesis, you're right that capitalism and it's drive for growth damages our ecosystems. And, certainly, some climate scientists haven't yet grasped that. James Hansen, for example, is a great climate scientist and has given us so much information on what we're doing to our climate and the possible impacts, but his arguments for a carbon fee include this: "Economic studies show that this would spur the economy, increase gross national product, and create millions of jobs". If he's right, then, if we do see a carbon fee, we will see more habitat destruction and more environmental damage. We need holistic thinking, not just a blinkered "we must stop warming at any cost". Yes, it's hugely important but not at any cost; we have to do something about all of the predicaments we face.



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Mal Adapted

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:15:57 +0000

Nemesis, please tell us, What Is To Be Done?



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Thomas

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:15:50 +0000

271 Mal Adapted inquires: "Do you ever get the feeling you’re being played, Thomas?" Nope. Why do you ask? Do you ever get that feeling of paranoia yourself Mal? That everything other people might say here is always all about you? Hint: Go read that quote by Myers again mate.



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Thomas

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:10:38 +0000

272 Mal Adapted claims: "Metaphors and other forms of poetic language can inspire other individuals who make the same associations you do. Under nominal pluralistic democracy, however, their value in collective decision making is limited...." Modern Cognitive Science says you are wrong Mal Adapated. YMMV, but feel free to double check all the ref's and science experts in the field that I have provided on that very subject. Human Reason is 98% Subconscious Metaphor in Frames & Cultural Narratives That's Science Mal!!! I'm not making it up. It is backed up today by decades of expert scientific research and studies and Peer-Reviewed Published Papers. https://scholar.google.com



Comment on Unforced Variations: August 2017 by Thomas

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:03:38 +0000

275 MA Rodger - excellent info - don't ever worry about making mistakes, it's human and quite OK. Thank you for the Updates. It fits what's going on in the Arctic this summer to a T.