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Comment on Unforced Variations: Apr 2018 by Mr. Know It All

Thu, 26 Apr 2018 02:28:47 +0000

190 - Douglas I think a good, solid, pro climate change, 3rd party candidate is the way to go if you want to do anything on CC in the USA. If that candidate has good name recognition, that would be a big plus. Let's see, can we think of anyone? I think Jill Stein would be awesome - she's smart as whip, well known because she's run before, and she took on Trump and his cheating in the vote counts in those 3 states in 2016. And she could break that glass ceiling that is so crucially important. JILL STEIN 2020 - GREEN PARTY



Comment on Unforced Variations: Apr 2018 by JRClark

Thu, 26 Apr 2018 02:24:18 +0000

@207 Douglas, his previous comments and the responses made to him all belong in the Forced Responses thread, don't they? May be a good idea to transfer those comments where they belong. Here is March's thread. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/03/forced-responses-mar-2018/ There is no April thread? This may be why Douglas didn't use it because he didn't know. May be a mitigation political solutions thread isn't wanted.



Comment on The Alsup Aftermath by Eli Rabett

Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:09:09 +0000

Without tooting Eli's horn too much, and although it was only an answer to one of the questions, here is all you need to know about question 2, the role that O2, N2, etc play with links to a three parter http://rabett.blogspot.com/2018/03/dear-judge-alsup-tldr.html Since the Judge is a ham radio operator, IEHO the thing to have played on that is included in part two of this is that the mechanism is very similar to a dipole antenna (or in the case of N2 and O2 to a quadrupole)



Comment on The Alsup Aftermath by Hank Roberts

Thu, 26 Apr 2018 00:31:09 +0000

Repeating the pointer from the previous thead to the site that collects the court documents:
Hat tip to WC (Stoat) for the pointer to the court document files: http://climatecasechart.com/case/people-state-california-v-bp-plc-oakland/



Comment on Stronger evidence for a weaker Atlantic overturning circulation by nigelj

Wed, 25 Apr 2018 23:55:17 +0000

Kevin McKinney @87, and all that progess on getting costs of solar and wind power down and spreading deployment has been made despite the efforts of the denialists to impede the process every way they can. Just imagine the progress if the denialists got out of the way.



Comment on Unforced Variations: Apr 2018 by Victor

Wed, 25 Apr 2018 23:26:02 +0000

200 Barton Paul Levenson says: V 191: : the FACT that CO2 emissions could have had NO appreciable influence on sea level for roughly 70 years BPL: Did they have an appreciable influence on temperature in that time? According to most climate scientists, no. Some examples from the literature regarding the temperature rise during the 1st half of the 20th century: Spencer Weart: "The scientists who brushed aside Callendar's claims were reasoning well enough. (Subsequent work has shown that the temperature rise up to 1940 was, as his critics thought, mainly caused by some kind of natural cyclical effect, not by the still relatively low CO2 emissions. . .)" from "The Discovery of Global Warming," by Spencer Weart (https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm) Here's another: "Nearly 30% of the global warming since 1900 occurred between 1910 and 1940, when increases of human-produced CO2 played a relatively minor role in global climate change." (https://climatemodeling.science.energy.gov/research-highlights/early-20th-century-global-warming-linked-tropical-pacific-wind-strength) One more: "Interdecadal 20th century temperature deviations, such as the accelerated observed 1910–1940 warming that has been attributed to an unverifiable increase in solar irradiance (4, 7, 19, 20), appear to instead be due to natural variability. The same is true for the observed mid-40s to mid-70s cooling, previously attributed to enhanced sulfate aerosol activity (4, 6, 7, 12)." (http://www.pnas.org/content/106/38/16120) No mention at all of CO2 or greenhouse gases in the above. As for the following period, from ca. 1940-ca. 1979, there was a period of abrupt cooling followed by a leveling off of temperatures. This "hiatus" is accepted by just about all climate scientists. Regardless of the cause, which some have attempted to explain as due to industrial aerosol cooling, one can't accuse CO2 emissions of raising global temperatures during a period when there was no such rise.



Comment on Unforced Variations: Apr 2018 by Victor

Wed, 25 Apr 2018 23:12:25 +0000

199 jgnfld "One way of not making one’s self a magnet for “mean” responses is not to accuse professional people on their own board of engaging in unprofessional, dishonest, and even outright criminal activities while at the same time purporting that one’s confused and amateurish “science” completely overturns the findings of said professionals." Even if it does? Or don't you care? The "mean responses" are your problem, not mine. In fact I relish them, as they only confirm the juvenile nature of so many of the self-appointed "experts" posting here. If you really want to defend "the science" of Rahmstorf and his colleagues then defend it, if you can, with cogent arguments rather than tossing out crude insults and ad hominems.



Comment on The Silurian Hypothesis by Russell

Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:50:28 +0000

The real question for Gavin is: Is the Silurian hypothesis Silurian? Cool as the cartoon of bipedal dinosaurs pushing baby carriages may be, the sad fact is that reptiles didn't evolve until the Carboniferous-- over a hundred million years later. Unless of course, you believe the Earth was created 6,021 years ago, in which case the dinosaurs should have shown up in time to enliven the Trojan War.



Comment on The Alsup Aftermath by Hank Roberts

Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:03:26 +0000

... [Judge Alsup] asked "so, how much did the temperatures [of carbon dioxide molecules emitting energy to space in those critical wavelengths of the infrared] fall over those 27 years?" — showing that, after only half-an-hour, and despite my obscure charts, he had already got a better grasp of the basic mechanism of the enhanced greenhouse effect than many.
Thank you Judge Alsup. And thank you Dr. Allen and the RC Group for giving us more information about what happened there.



Comment on Unforced Variations: Apr 2018 by Jtr

Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:01:46 +0000

198,199. Things do seem to have gone downhill fast since the introduction of the internet. I suspect the reason is the same as for why there's so much road rage. Where there's a certain amount of anonymity, people, who are so inclined, feel free to vent. Makes you wonder what's really in our hearts and genes. What would people do if they thought they could get away with it. Not to be just another cynic. There are also plenty of good people out there struggling to keep things positive and constructive.