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Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by Nemesis

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:04:23 +0000

@zebra, #266 "Humans are monkeys. If you can’t accept that, you belong with the Creationists and other science deniers... You view these issues from a position of privilege... Try broadening your horizons with a little more education, so your can be less like a monkey." Well, is that ad hominem or just your way to educate monkeys? I tell you about my "privileged position": I was born in the monkey ghetto and I still live there, uh uh. So I always love to get some education from some higher beings like you. Just go on, I am starting to be amused, in some sense, so please, go on...



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by nigelj

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:01:42 +0000

Just to keep Barton P Levenson happy, humans have some "similar" characteristics to monkeys, like hierarchies etc.



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by nigelj

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:58:09 +0000

Zebra @ 268, we seem to see this much the same. Humans are indeed monkeys and status conscious. Leaders and followers. This can be modified, but not instantly changed. I think we have to work with human nature and knock off the rough edges. Revolutionary idealist ideas have their place, but need testing, like various countries are trialing a universal basic income. You don't want to rush into full scale massive reform that could backfire like communism. However one thing you said. "You also wrongly conflate “capitalism” with resource extraction/consumption." Capitalism is pretty tied to resource extraction consumption in a historical sense. Private capital, profit motives, desire for market dominance are all features of capitalism in a loose historical sense, and all lead to maximum resource extraction. But these things can all be reduced / controlled with market rules and boundaries and standing up against excessive monopoly power. This is intelligent capitalism. Or capitalism with a human face.The world has to learn this or face some rather grim alternatives of economic breakdown and chaos, revolution by a disgruntled public, or serious environmental disasters.



Comment on The climate has always changed. What do you conclude? by tadaaa

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:54:32 +0000

the "climate always changed" meme was used because it was so effective it has a simplistic truth that conspiracy theorists and science deniers find attractive, no further thought required it is similiar to the 911 twoofer meme that the "towers fell straight down" a simplistic truth and slam dunk proof of CD to a twoofer - but simply describing the force of gravity to anyone who gives it more than a seconds thought



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by Barton Paul Levenson

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:40:56 +0000

zebra 268: Humans are monkeys. If you can’t accept that, you belong with the Creationists and other science deniers. BPL: Humans are not monkeys. Monkeys have tails, and other genetic and morphological differences that make them very far from human. If you want to say monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor, fine, I agree. But to call humans monkeys--and then assert that anyone who disagrees is a Creationist--is a major logic fail. To be precise, it's the fallacy of bifurcation, or the unnecessary either-or choice.



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by Barton Paul Levenson

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:38:38 +0000

alan keeps babbling on: Communism certainly did NOT work for the wealthy oligarchs, the plutocrats, the greedy psychopaths whose mission in life seems to be consolidation of wealth and power at the expense of everyone and everything, not least the planet itself. It didn’t work for THEM worth a darn. Are you sad? BPL: I'm sad for the 5-7 million who died in the Holodomor, the 9 million who died in mass transportation of whole ethnic groups to Siberia by cattle car during World War II, the 19 million killed in the purges, and the tens of millions who died in the GULAG, including relatives of mine. If you defend Stalin, in my mind you are no better than someone who defends Hitler--and for the same reason. As a woman said who had been in Hitler's camps _and_ the GULAG, "Weisst du, Stalin, das ist Hitler plus Asien."



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by Barton Paul Levenson

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:35:10 +0000

a: when “market reforms” (recrudescent capitalism) were forced on Russia in the 1990s, social pathology came back with a vengeance; alcoholism, suicide and disease soared; life expectancy plunged shockingly, etc. BPL: Ask someone who actually lived there. Those pathologies were already present. They didn't suddenly come back because the Russians freed up some farmland.



Comment on Red team/Blue team Day 1 by Russell Seitz

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:34:59 +0000

BPL's words are his not mine- I'd call Carl an admirable scientific astronomer, witness his ingenious use of the thin atmosphere of Mars to focus the otherwise indetectable light of occulted stars. He was also science fiction writer , and if some of his fans wish to go to their graves denying that he wrote more than some give him credit for, that is their prerogative.



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by Barton Paul Levenson

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:33:20 +0000

nigelj #255: “Communism didn’t work.” alan: Beg to differ BPL: I estimate that Stalin was responsible for 80 million state executions, Mao for 60 million, 2 million for the Kims, and perhaps a million for Mengistu Haili Mariam and Fidel Castro put together. It didn't "work" for the victims. Sure, communism made industrial nations out of agricultural nations, but I don't think the price was worth paying. There were other ways to develop. The Communists used sheer brute force, and some of us don't view that as a respectable way to behave.



Comment on Unforced variations: July 2017 by Barton Paul Levenson

Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:30:07 +0000

N 258: Capitalism is a religion, not science. BPL: No, it's a way of organizing an economy. N: Adam Smith and such were religious, christian people and they based their money-“science” on faith, not on reason. BPL: I take it you've never actually read Smith.