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Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Mr. Know It All

Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:20:54 +0000

Some comments above seemed to indicate that rich folks in large houses had a larger carbon footprint than po' folks in smaller homes. I was cycling this past weekend and I noticed that some of the large homes in more wealthy housing developments had large solar arrays on their roofs. Some were so large that they'd probably be net zero at least on electricity. The smaller homes I saw had few PV panels because the roofs were too small to bother with. Thus, the wealthier folks seemed to have a smaller footprint. Some of those arrays looked large enough to charge an electric vehicle in addition to running the house and dumping the excess into the grid.



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Killian

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:58:51 +0000

Because of receding horizons, even some of these collapsed populations are likely underestimated. On eco collapse, Wiki says:
Ecological collapse refers to a situation where an ecosystem suffers a drastic, possibly permanent, reduction in carrying capacity for all organisms, often resulting in mass extinction. Usually, an ecological collapse is precipitated by a disastrous event occurring on a short time scale.
I think we are there. Read on: https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/11/16/humans-blind-imminent-environmental-collapse/ If so, at what point do most here get their come-to-Jesus moment and embrace the only solution for overshoot, and diminishibg returns on comolexity, simplicity?



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Steven Sullivan

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:50:22 +0000

None of the national discussion in the USA about climate change is going to be driven by the tedious, petty internecine debates you guys are having here. It's going to be driven by the right-wing ideologue strategies and tactics exposed in Joe Bast's email, that Russell linked to up there. READ IT. https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2017/10/will-real-troglodyte-please-stand-up.html



Comment on O Say can you See Ice… by Steven Sullivan

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:38:33 +0000

"UASF"? maybe you mean "USAF"?



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Hank Roberts

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:53:17 +0000

Suck it up, peanuttles.... As Einstein said, you can't solve a problem with the same thinking that created it.
Would 'the same thinking' problem include argumentative namecalling as a tactic?



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by nigelj

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:39:01 +0000

DFrog @188 You attack Germany and Merkel in particular for use of coal power. Some perspective Sir: http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/france-germany-turn-coal/ "Germany is replacing its nuclear units with renewable energy (wind and solar) as part of its energy transition, the so-called Energiewende. It is using mainly coal to back-up its intermittent renewable energy and as a result, it has increased its coal-fired generation." Perhaps you need to consider wider context before rushing to quite such harsh judgement.



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Hank Roberts

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:32:19 +0000

Hat tip to Soylent News for this:
A key polar satellite used to measure the arctic ice cap failed a few days ago, leaving the US with only three others, and those have lived well beyond their shelf lives. Scientists say there is no chance a new one can be launched until 2023 or later. None of the current satellites will still be in operation then. This will put an end to nearly [2]40 years of uninterrupted data on polar ice. It seems like there would be a backup satellite, right? In fact, there was a backup satellite ready to go. Then the Trump Administration destroyed it earlier this year, by order of the US Congress. They said the storage costs were too high. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [3]Original Submission Discuss this story at: https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=17/11/19/0429248 Links: 0. mailto:bob@xpda.com 1. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/05/donald-trump-accused-blocking-satellite-climate-change-research 2. https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/ 3. https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=23172



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Killian

Mon, 20 Nov 2017 02:43:03 +0000

#194 zebra said Dude, read the freakin’ Wikipedia article on TOC! It’s a complicated concept; people with expertise don’t all agree on it. Just using the phrase in a rhetorical way because it sounds good isn’t helpful. I like Wiki. I use Wiki. But Wiki is current paradigm. Wiki, nor any other arrogant fool, invented Commons: They were the default setting until between 11k years ago and, for most, only 4k years ago, and for a very few, now. They disagree because they choose to remain arrogantly ignorant. A Commons is nothing more than agreeing to share and how to do so. There is no secret handshake, no tablets on a mountain. They need agreement and rules. Both are bounded by the awareness of the *need* for them. Beyond the need, all is mere details. The keys are those three: Awareness of having no choice, choosing to share, making rules. First Principles. Everything belongs to everyone. Act like it.



Comment on O Say can you See Ice… by Alastair McDonald

Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:54:51 +0000

Eric, Your second post seems to have confirmed what I suspected after your first post. You did not realise that I was referring to global sea ice, not Arctic sea-ice. The page pointed to by the URL I quoted does show a graph of Arctic sea-ice. To see a graph of global sea-ice you have to click on the global button, as I hinted. There is another graph of global sea ice extent here. You can see there, that there have been major changes in the global sea ice over the last year. Until last year the Antarctic sea ice had been increasing while the Arctic ice was decreasing, and so the global sea-ice anomaly had remained farly stable. Now, the Antarctic sea ice has suddenly decreased, which has not been offset by a slowing of the Arctic decrease. The anomaly in global sea ice is quite impressive though not as great as last year. Currently, my idea is that the last El Nino caused a tipping point to be passed, where the increase in the Antarctic sea ice melt has caused the Arctic sea-ice melt to slow. We know that there is a polar seesaw. How that effect would affect the temperature of the mid-trosphere, which the satellites measure, is question I thought you might be able to answer.



Comment on Unforced variations: Nov 2017 by Barton Levenson

Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:34:07 +0000

K: Ceasar BPL: "Caesar"