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Comment on Unforced variations: Feb 2018 by zebra

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:23:10 +0000

Suggested... no, must reading for the moderators: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/a-blog-around-the-clock/commenting-threads-good-bad-or-not-at-all/
If commenters think your commenting thread is a public space where they can do whatever they want because nobody's watching, they will do whatever they want. And that is not pretty. And then the potentially constructive comments never get posted, because normal people do not want to waste their time thinking and writing comments that will just get flamed.
(my bold) Included in "things that discourage constructive comments" would be spamming as well as flaming. (And while it may not be PC to make the observation, enabling what is clearly compulsive/addictive behavior is not really doing the addict any favors.) Another quote, again with my bold:
If I delete your comment, it is not censorship (and if you cry "censorship" I will laugh out loud). You are free to start your own blog and start working on increasing its Google Rank so it becomes visible in searches. It takes time and effort, but I will not lend my Google Rank to you to use for your blatherings. Do the work yourself.
You (the moderators) are generous in providing the forum, but as we (almost) all understand, a commons can be destroyed by selfish, undisciplined, or, afflicted, individuals, and it requires some kind of regulation.



Comment on Unforced variations: Feb 2018 by Gordon Shephard

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 13:48:10 +0000

To the forum moderators: Is it possible to provide a mechanism whereby a reader could exclude selected commentators from appearing in one's stream?



Comment on The claim of reduced uncertainty for equilibrium climate sensitivity is premature by CCHolley

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:18:58 +0000

MartinJB @60 Most certainly. I'd be flattered. I've posted this in various forms over the years on blogs inspired by Spencer Weart's work: The Discovery of Global Warming in response to the conspiracy meme. Sometimes I can even be a bit more snarky. I also attempt to use a brief history of the science when I give talks. Again to let people know that AGW isn't something just thought up by some new world order in order to gain control of the globe or whatever. The history is powerful IMHO as it helps support the robustness of the science.



Comment on Unforced variations: Feb 2018 by Ray Ladbury

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:33:27 +0000

Dan DaSilva, If China is communist then my ass chews gum. Walk outside of the Terra Cotta Army museum into the street market and tell me that isn't market based! Look at how the wealthy live in Shanghai and compare it to the rural poor and tell me that is communist! Dude, have you ever been to China. I have--and well before the market reforms, it was largely market based. China is a command economy, but hardly communist. Moreover, according to The Economist, they are within 15 years of kicking our pasty, white asses in technology as well as energy infrastructure and everything else.



Comment on The global CO2 rise: the facts, Exxon and the favorite denial tricks by Barton Paul Levenson

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:08:22 +0000

Th 2224: Please ponder that logic if you dare. BPL: If it had something to do with actual logic I might. I was most amused by your denouncing US involvement in Syria, considering what Russia is doing there. But it doesn't count when your favorite regime does it, apparently.



Comment on Forced Responses: Jan 2018 by nigelj

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:38:51 +0000

Thomas "The general public would wise to quickly decide the entire climate science DENIAL community was quite mad, and untrustworthy, and Psychopathic delusional nutcases …. from Trump down and including many who are bloody scientists or hold PhDs in all types of disciplines." Yes to that. Couldn't come soon enough. But where have I suggested otherwise? We have to help convince the public and shouting probably wont do it. We have to wear them down. I agree with most of your criticisms of Americas foreign policies but dont start idolsing Russia for gods sake. Putin is not the worlds friend.



Comment on Forced Responses: Jan 2018 by nigelj

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:33:27 +0000

Killian @485, no I never interpreted Thomas comments that way. You are entitled to your opinion on how to save mankind, and websites like this need "alternative views". However its your opinion and a few others, and nothing more. Its not backed up with anything substantial and a science website requires modelling etc. And my citicicisms are more than "minor nitpicking" on my part. So Thomas has got that wrong. But good luck. Do your thing. Its admirable and preferable in some ways to the dubious "invisible hand of the market" Thomas talks about. Society should at least ensure alternative communities are allowed to do their thing. If yours is the correct path it will gain traction eventually so what are you worried about? However I think we can forge a better path, half way between the current over commercialised neoliberal mess, and the very small scale structures as Killian is generally proposing. I think things will naturally go in this path. That is an alternative just as much as yours is. So to say I oppose "all restructuring" is just rubbish. There are many paths.



Comment on Forced Responses: Jan 2018 by nigelj

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 06:13:51 +0000

Thomas @489, ok my mistake. You just wanted climate denialists banned from here and the guardian etc. However I just repeat my prior comment, because nothing changes and you should have inferred that. Its a mistake to ban climate denialists from here, it will give the website a very bad name, and many in the public will see it as trying to shut down peoples views. Its excessive censorship. Instead as per my other comment, they should only have their comments deleted from here if its spamming, abusive or they are unable to back claims up with some solid references to published science. That is a more subtle approach. Anyway its easy shooting them down (metaphorically speaking).



Comment on Forced Responses: Jan 2018 by Thomas

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 05:07:13 +0000

"Watching the Winter Arctic Sea Ice Extent has gone from boring to horrifying in just a few short years." Start here and scroll down if interested in the Arctic situation today. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2223.msg142861.html#msg142861



Comment on Forced Responses: Jan 2018 by Cody

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 04:40:06 +0000

There was a frequent poster / editor @ The Oil Drum, back at the turn of this decade, who wrote as: Gail the Actuary. Just one of her fave topics was the relationship twixt Big Oil, & the private pension systems. Further, she maintained, that an economist's chop @ the physical notion of 'Net Energy' was what supported a great deal of key things in the World Economy. Such as pensions. One place that RC folks draw the ire of 'ordinaries,' that is, amd it is completely MY definition here: intelligent church-going folks who stay informed and involved but for whatever reason, have yet to partake of the RC 'cool-aid,' like so many I respect here, and like I so totally did, way back in 19 & 79. Thus, take BHO, and how he 'played the McCondo blow out. Just let his Justioce Department beat the Hell out of BP. Pensions in England did suffer. BP lost a huge fraction of the wealth it had built up in over a Century of providing gasoline's magic, for little mor edenero than distilled H2O. (Even Prius drivers hit that pump, so they need oil boys too!) This earns climate preservationists Bad Vibes. The guys that went out and drilled the Relief wells, were part of an unprecedented Armada > 100 boats, all dancing atop an A-bomb of venting methane per 72 hours. Hairy dangerous. Hollywood makes a movie but like big burns and depicts the guys on the platform when all Hell broke loose. But the Heroes were the men who volunteered to float W/all that unburnt gas. Obama acted like the "President of Real Climate". Not the president of all of the American folks. https://ourfiniteworld.com/about/