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Published: Thu, 25 May 2017 09:48:01 +0100

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Re: 3 Girls

Thu, 25 May 2017 09:48:01 +0100

OK Debrajoan, thanks. The only thing I will say is that the fact that they were minors means, to me, that they were blameless. The parents do not escape blame though.

Apologies if my post was a little aggressive, the whole thing just makes me mad....or madder perhaps.

Respec' innit.



Re: 3 Girls

Mon, 22 May 2017 10:08:08 +0100

Thanks DebraJoan, as things are presented on television they may imply the girls were willing participants. I may post a few links later including Chelsea's Choice.



Re: 3 Girls

Mon, 22 May 2017 09:41:13 +0100

Please don't apologise Jan, I know that in having a daughter in Derby, (I think that it's Derby), you are closer to the truth of the issues in all this than most, and your input is entirely credible.
Of course it must have been horrendous for the girls involved, and the social worker who doggedly persevered in blowing the whistle deserves a medal.
As bad as all this was and is, I was honestly trying to say that the TV programme, while exposing the rotten underbelly of the authorities in turning a blind eye, sweeping it under the carpet, and hoping that it would all go away, gave the impression that the girls involved, (at least as portrayed in the programme), needed little persuasion to join in what happened.
I totally accept that this was not the case in reality, I didn't for one minute suggest that it was, but I was virtually labelled "a scumbag" for expressing my opinion on something that may just have been a failing in the TV production.
I bear no animosity toward boroughonian for his post, it's entirely credible that he thought that I may have been downplaying, or pooh-poohing what really happened up there, I'd like to think that he accepts now that I wasn't, but I'll carry on reading his posts, and respecting his opinions, but I'd be happy to consign this thread to history now, with the greatest of respect to all.



Re: 3 Girls

Sun, 21 May 2017 10:46:22 +0100

The real facts DebraJoan Are much worse, children as young as 11 were targeted as 'fresh meat' . The girl who danced around naked thinking she was a film star in Pakistan had severe learning difficulties. I could write for a year on the horrendous abuse and still not scratch the surface.

The programme was to show that what happened to the girls was truly evil, but evil on a different level were the very people who should have been there to protect them, they may have warned off about raising the fact that all the abusers in this case were Pakistani, or failing that had the mentality that as the girls lived in a rough area, was mouthy,swore ,attending sexual health clinics that they weren't worth the time or resources investigating.

These children self harm when not believed, cutting their arms up to their elbows, then starting cutting their thighs. Drinking and taking drugs to blot out the memories of how thet were raped, beaten and traded like a slave in a market.

Listening in Court on one occasion heard one defendant describe one girl as wearing tight sexy clothes. During a break I watched as very pretty legal briefs wearing tight black skirts with a slit up the back that must have been a foot long, beautifully made up smiling provocatively at their colleagues.

This forum raised the issue of involving our MPs . A good idea because at the moment they'll promise us anything!
Sorry to have made you read through my laborious post!



Re: 3 Girls

Sat, 20 May 2017 18:54:55 +0100

[quote boroughonian]I deliberately didn't go into the facts of the case Debrajoan, I was simply wondering if the authorities should be held to account for their appeasement/inaction, which, appears to be still the case!

I referred to Mr Coyle as he is my local MP and I want an inquiry, get it?

Your last paragraph is roughly what the scumbags were saying, and are still saying, all over the country.

Sisterhood? How about societyhood?

I sincerely hope you regret that post, as it is total b*******.

Jan, brilliant.[/quote]

First off, I didn't think that the "facts" of the case were a state secret, after all, the programme was broadcast on national TV.
I agree, Jan's post was informative and incisive, and yes, Mr. Coyle is the local MP, and you'd like an inquiry, so perhaps you should write and suggest/demand one from him.
I merely thought that constituents in Rochdale and Rotherham may have written their MPs too, and as is the norm, got nowhere.
I've no desire to argue with you about this, not least because it's something James quite rightly frowns upon, but I regret nothing, save for the fact that these unspeakable acts occurred.
I, (apparently aligning myself with the nation's scumbags), wrote that the TV dramatisation made it look as though the girls concerned didn't need much cajoling.
The real facts may have been much, much worse, probably were, the girls may have been as innocent and naive as new born babes, but that WASN'T how the TV show made them look.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Sat, 20 May 2017 13:36:32 +0100

[quote Paramount][quote Paramount]Nigel and The Donald make politics more interesting and exciting though Keep cool and carry on! :)[/quote

Beats the bland bad boring days I guess[/quote]

Oh yes, the day The Donald is impeached will definitely be interesting, #LockHimUp and all that.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Sat, 20 May 2017 13:06:26 +0100

[quote Paramount]Nigel and The Donald make politics more interesting and exciting though Keep cool and carry on! :)[/quote

Beats the bland bad boring days I guess



Re: 3 Girls

Sat, 20 May 2017 12:32:56 +0100

I deliberately didn't go into the facts of the case Debrajoan, I was simply wondering if the authorities should be held to account for their appeasement/inaction, which, appears to be still the case!

I referred to Mr Coyle as he is my local MP and I want an inquiry, get it?

Your last paragraph is roughly what the scumbags were saying, and are still saying, all over the country.

Sisterhood? How about societyhood?

I sincerely hope you regret that post, as it is total b*******.

Jan, brilliant.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Sat, 20 May 2017 12:23:21 +0100

[quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]
I think he did, in fact I'm sure he did. By that time though, he had been elbowed out the game.[/quote]

You don't KNOW though, unfortunately. If he did, and it's proven that he did, I'll withdraw my comment.[/quote]

I don't know, no, but I would be amazed if he wasn't asked the question and equally amazed if he said that he didn't want to assist in any way. I'm off away for the W/E so will look when I get back, an EW detraction, now there's a goal ;)[/quote]

Enjoy your trip :)[/quote]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/furious-farage-excluded-from-committee-to-negotiate-brexit-5965707/

This is boroughonian, for chatter, Eastbourne.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Sat, 20 May 2017 10:46:36 +0100

Nigel and The Donald make politics more interesting and exciting though Keep cool and carry on! :)



Re: 3 Girls

Fri, 19 May 2017 23:01:15 +0100

Initially younger Pakistani men would meet the girls as they were coming out of school , in their uniforms. Take them for kebabs, bit like when as 14 or 15 year olds we would have gone to the wimpey bar to be treated to burger. It's a very insidious process , the first time these girls were raped they would have been given vodka etc. They bought girls mobiles, cigarettes....then when the girls were vulnerable the 'men' would demand payment . Then as white slags they would be used, bought and sold. Threatened with violence against their families.
The fear those poor children suffered.
This type of crime is carried out specifically by Pakistani males. They would be bussed around to different locations and raped and beaten by sixty year old men midst their abusers.

About 80 % of sexual offences are carried out by white males.

This programme was based on the three brave children and the two who eventually got to the court. There were hundreds at that time in Rochdale, many could not face telling the police and not being believed in court.

In the Derby Telegraph today another seven Victims of sexual exploitation ,grooming and rape has been carried out by 9 Pakistanis.
Another in Rochdale today also.
Having witnessed the destruction of girls characters in court in cases like this , and their bravery as the defendants legal team dissect every part of their lives. I commend these girls.

It's the attitudes of people saying ..well they went there, and went back for more, that gave the police the excuse of not doing the job they are paid to do. Girls like that eh?



Re: 3 Girls

Fri, 19 May 2017 20:31:05 +0100

Not sure what more Mr. Coyle could do, I assume that M.P.s from Rochdale and Rotherham made a fuss about it the time, or maybe not.
I watched the programme, and of course, it was absolutely vomit inducing, but it would have been like that no matter what ethnicity the perpetrators were, sure, in this case, they were of Pakistani origin, but they could just as well have been Eskimo, Maori, or Caucasian.
At the risk of alienating the sisterhood, I have to say that none of the three characters seemed to need having a gun held to their heads to go to the curry houses or taxi firms to meet the men and get their free food, gifts and alcohol.
Of course, that doesn't excuse the perverted behaviour of the men, but if we are to believe that the girls were starved of love and affection, and that made them open to succumbing to any flattering blandishments, then we have to further believe that their home lives must have been absolutely dire, they didn't appear that bad to me.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 11:15:40 +0100

[quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]
I think he did, in fact I'm sure he did. By that time though, he had been elbowed out the game.[/quote]

You don't KNOW though, unfortunately. If he did, and it's proven that he did, I'll withdraw my comment.[/quote]

I don't know, no, but I would be amazed if he wasn't asked the question and equally amazed if he said that he didn't want to assist in any way. I'm off away for the W/E so will look when I get back, an EW detraction, now there's a goal ;)[/quote]

Enjoy your trip :)



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 11:13:36 +0100

[quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]
I think he did, in fact I'm sure he did. By that time though, he had been elbowed out the game.[/quote]

You don't KNOW though, unfortunately. If he did, and it's proven that he did, I'll withdraw my comment.[/quote]

I don't know, no, but I would be amazed if he wasn't asked the question and equally amazed if he said that he didn't want to assist in any way. I'm off away for the W/E so will look when I get back, an EW detraction, now there's a goal ;)



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 10:55:27 +0100

[quote boroughonian]
I think he did, in fact I'm sure he did. By that time though, he had been elbowed out the game.[/quote]

You don't KNOW though, unfortunately. If he did, and it's proven that he did, I'll withdraw my comment.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 10:53:30 +0100

[quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.[/quote]

And then what? Allegedly he spent 10 years planning Brexit only to do a runner from any responsibility as soon as the result came in. He hasn't go a plan, Farage near any power would end in chaos and disaster. He couldn't run the local poundshop.[/quote]

He planned Brexit? Honestly, I thought you were better than that. He wasn't part of any official campaign, he was dropped because he was considered too toxic, maybe that was right, I don't know, but to accuse him of doing a runner is quite ridiculous. What responsibility?[/quote]

"Allegedly". Also, I was being sarcastic. The man did sweet FA in all his time as an MEP. By responsibility I mean that having spent so much time attacking the EU to try and get the UK out, you'd expect him to have had some "And now what?" plan. With the time he spent as an MEP he should know the EU inside and out and in the interest of the UK, not his own, should have shared his experience with the UK government to make Brexit as smooth and successful as possible, but no, he did a runner only to turn up at Trump's side.[/quote]

Disingenuous, do you think the UK government wanted his expertise?

I think the Trump thing was a mistake in hindsight and I think he knows it.[/quote]

In the interest of the British public he should have offered it and Government should have accepted it.[/quote]

I think he did, in fact I'm sure he did. By that time though, he had been elbowed out the game.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 10:48:53 +0100

[quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.[/quote]

And then what? Allegedly he spent 10 years planning Brexit only to do a runner from any responsibility as soon as the result came in. He hasn't go a plan, Farage near any power would end in chaos and disaster. He couldn't run the local poundshop.[/quote]

He planned Brexit? Honestly, I thought you were better than that. He wasn't part of any official campaign, he was dropped because he was considered too toxic, maybe that was right, I don't know, but to accuse him of doing a runner is quite ridiculous. What responsibility?[/quote]

"Allegedly". Also, I was being sarcastic. The man did sweet FA in all his time as an MEP. By responsibility I mean that having spent so much time attacking the EU to try and get the UK out, you'd expect him to have had some "And now what?" plan. With the time he spent as an MEP he should know the EU inside and out and in the interest of the UK, not his own, should have shared his experience with the UK government to make Brexit as smooth and successful as possible, but no, he did a runner only to turn up at Trump's side.[/quote]

Disingenuous, do you think the UK government wanted his expertise?

I think the Trump thing was a mistake in hindsight and I think he knows it.[/quote]

In the interest of the British public he should have offered it and Government should have accepted it.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 10:45:41 +0100

[quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.[/quote]

And then what? Allegedly he spent 10 years planning Brexit only to do a runner from any responsibility as soon as the result came in. He hasn't go a plan, Farage near any power would end in chaos and disaster. He couldn't run the local poundshop.[/quote]

He planned Brexit? Honestly, I thought you were better than that. He wasn't part of any official campaign, he was dropped because he was considered too toxic, maybe that was right, I don't know, but to accuse him of doing a runner is quite ridiculous. What responsibility?[/quote]

"Allegedly". Also, I was being sarcastic. The man did sweet FA in all his time as an MEP. By responsibility I mean that having spent so much time attacking the EU to try and get the UK out, you'd expect him to have had some "And now what?" plan. With the time he spent as an MEP he should know the EU inside and out and in the interest of the UK, not his own, should have shared his experience with the UK government to make Brexit as smooth and successful as possible, but no, he did a runner only to turn up at Trump's side.[/quote]

Disingenuous, do you think the UK government wanted his expertise?

I think the Trump thing was a mistake in hindsight and I think he knows it.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 10:25:03 +0100

[quote boroughonian][quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.[/quote]

And then what? Allegedly he spent 10 years planning Brexit only to do a runner from any responsibility as soon as the result came in. He hasn't go a plan, Farage near any power would end in chaos and disaster. He couldn't run the local poundshop.[/quote]

He planned Brexit? Honestly, I thought you were better than that. He wasn't part of any official campaign, he was dropped because he was considered too toxic, maybe that was right, I don't know, but to accuse him of doing a runner is quite ridiculous. What responsibility?[/quote]

"Allegedly". Also, I was being sarcastic. The man did sweet FA in all his time as an MEP. By responsibility I mean that having spent so much time attacking the EU to try and get the UK out, you'd expect him to have had some "And now what?" plan. With the time he spent as an MEP he should know the EU inside and out and in the interest of the UK, not his own, should have shared his experience with the UK government to make Brexit as smooth and successful as possible, but no, he did a runner only to turn up at Trump's side.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 10:13:21 +0100

[quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD][quote boroughonian]He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.[/quote]

And then what? Allegedly he spent 10 years planning Brexit only to do a runner from any responsibility as soon as the result came in. He hasn't go a plan, Farage near any power would end in chaos and disaster. He couldn't run the local poundshop.[/quote]

He planned Brexit? Honestly, I thought you were better than that. He wasn't part of any official campaign, he was dropped because he was considered too toxic, maybe that was right, I don't know, but to accuse him of doing a runner is quite ridiculous. What responsibility?



Re: Nigel Farrage

Fri, 19 May 2017 09:20:13 +0100

[quote boroughonian]He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.[/quote]

And then what? Allegedly he spent 10 years planning Brexit only to do a runner from any responsibility as soon as the result came in. He hasn't go a plan, Farage near any power would end in chaos and disaster. He couldn't run the local poundshop.



3 Girls

Thu, 18 May 2017 21:40:20 +0100

Anyone been watching this?

Not going to go into the obvious, but seeing as this has gone on in different parts of the country, with the authorities behaving in exactly the same way towards the complaints, basically ignoring them or at best not wanting to take action. Shouldn't there be some sort of enquiry?

I'd write to Mr Coyle but experience tells me I would be ignored too.



Re: Brexit

Thu, 18 May 2017 20:45:12 +0100

Haha Sturgeon, just referred to the lies told by the Brexit camp in the lead up to the referendum, only mentioning the NHS 350M claim. They all do that don't they? Talk about this load of lies but only mention one, which is debateable.

So, they're basically lying, aren't they? Do we only care about the lies that don't suit us?



Re: Nigel Farrage

Thu, 18 May 2017 20:40:19 +0100

He'll be back if May don't deliver, he'll retire for good, from politics, if she does. Over to you Tessa.



Re: Brexit

Thu, 18 May 2017 11:05:54 +0100

I am reminded of the old John.. Bunyan hymn. To be a pilgrim as a I hear various Remainers offering their views. Those who beset us round with DISMAL stories... Farron etc.. Do but themselves confound HIS strength the more is. Great Britain is a Lion and can take on all comers giants hobgoblins and all!



Re: Brexit

Wed, 17 May 2017 13:25:41 +0100

[quote boroughonian][quote Paramount]I was asked my vote after leaving a poll station by a "political research student " sort of exit poll"[/quote]

Yes, I thought the whole thing stunk because it seemed a bit quick, turns out it was a poll and not the scientific research that it was presented as, at the time.

I think it's worth noting though, that the Southern European young people want out, they have no jobs (unless they leave their families and go to a foreign country) they have no prospects of ever getting a job (imagine that) they have no future.

In this country it's the older people that want out, my daughter says that they have been preyed upon by Farage and Co, I said to her that those older people are worried "about you" in a George Galloway kindoway.[/quote]

Just wondering if anyone could tell us what this "pack of lies" were that the Brexit camp spouted.



Re: My new food fad

Tue, 16 May 2017 15:10:04 +0100

2 x boneless pork chops, 2 x cloves of garlic, 1/4 cup of honey and 1/4 cup of lemon juice, grate the garlic and put all ingredients into a zip lock bag (or something similar) marinade over night, moving around now and again.
Fry chops to brown and put into casserole dish with rest of marinade, 20 mins gas 6.


Thank me later.



Re: Nigel Farrage

Tue, 16 May 2017 11:59:46 +0100

So many of the people who shunned the bnp during times of, shall we say, more colourful immigration, have now turned into racists at the sight of a load of European immigrants, oh sorry, I'm forgetting, they don't have their own minds do they?
It's quite staggering to think that people really do believe that UKIP sympathisers only see the bloke having a pint and snout lark, how patronising.



Re: Brexit

Mon, 15 May 2017 14:57:13 +0100

[quote Paramount]I was asked my vote after leaving a poll station by a "political research student " sort of exit poll"[/quote]

Yes, I thought the whole thing stunk because it seemed a bit quick, turns out it was a poll and not the scientific research that it was presented as, at the time.

I think it's worth noting though, that the Southern European young people want out, they have no jobs (unless they leave their families and go to a foreign country) they have no prospects of ever getting a job (imagine that) they have no future.

In this country it's the older people that want out, my daughter says that they have been preyed upon by Farage and Co, I said to her that those older people are worried "about you" in a George Galloway kindoway.



Re: Brexit

Mon, 15 May 2017 14:35:27 +0100

[quote Debrajoan][quote janefs][quote Thebunhouse]The only believable analysis I have read is that if the young had voted " stay" instead of not voting at all then we would not be having this discussion. As I understand it only 30% of the young were sufficiently concerned for their future to vote.[/quote]

I have seen another report that states 36% of those eligible voters aged 18-24 voted at all. I haven't gone trawling for any other analysis (water under the bridge) but if accurate, roughly two thirds of younger voters didn't bother to vote, so any complaint that the older 'baby boomers' stuffed up their future opportunities by voting leave because they would be less affected by Brexit seems rather hollow.[/quote]


I have heard others say, and I tend to agree, that a lot of people who voted Leave, thought that there was no way that Leave would prevail.
They reasoned that Stay would swing it by a narrow majority, but that enough votes would have been cast for Leave, to give Cameron and the Tories a bloody nose.
Those bozos came unstuck, and so did Britain the way I see it.
Now we just have to bite the bullet, say through gritted teeth, "Hey, that's democracy", and hope that it all shakes out okay in the end.
It may be that the £, the $, and the € will reach parity, but so what, we got our country back didn't we?[/quote]

Blimey, those voters that were sold a pack of lies and bought them, had the political nous the way you suggest?