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Published: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 10:16:22 +0100

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Re: Golden Goodbyes

Fri, 20 Apr 2018 10:16:22 +0100

Councillors aren't employees though (they receive an allowance as office-holders), so these cabinet members don't have the the other usual statutory entitlements associated with employment.

I can understand why Southwark introduced this scheme, but it's an issue that should probably be dealt with as part of a more general reform of local government, rather than at borough level.

Without this extra measure, it's easy to imagine that a backbench councillor who was in secure employment would be very cautious about giving that up to serve in a cabinet post for perhaps just a year.

We have to think seriously about these things as a society if we are going to have high expectations of our elected representatives.

If we expect some of our councillors (ie the cabinet) to treat that role as a full-time job then we should pay them properly for that.

(Of course there are other debates too, like whether we would be better served by the old committee model of local government rather than the leader and cabinet system.)



Re: Golden Goodbyes

Fri, 20 Apr 2018 10:05:40 +0100

This is rather more generous than the statutory redundancy payments the rest of us are entitled to when we're let go.



Re: Golden Goodbyes

Fri, 20 Apr 2018 09:58:26 +0100

Galling as we constantly hear how cash strapped the council is, how they need to put up the council tax to help older people in the borough, and so on. then we hear that there is this kind of money for Golden Goodbyes. This money could be better spent than lavished on themselves.
These are public servants behaving like City fat cats with our money.



Re: Golden Goodbyes

Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:43:39 +0100

At first James I thought the severance pay was modest. Then I saw the £671 weekly paid out! Not so modest.



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 22:47:31 +0100

I can’t imagine anyone would rather have an abortion than take contraception!
The idea that something like this could be done for “convenience” is ludicrous IMO.



Re: Golden Goodbyes

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:58:01 +0100

It's a difficult one.

The councillors' allowances system wasn't really designed with the modern leader + cabinet system in mind.

If you want people to commit to doing council cabinet roles full-time then it seems reasonable to factor in the precarious nature of the role (cabinet posts are essentially a one-year contract) when working out the allowances.



Golden Goodbyes

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:50:12 +0100

Amazed to hear about this, and then to read it too.
What a nerve!!!
Asked about it at the hustings locally and was told that "severance pay" was good employment practice.


https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/17000-paid-golden-goodbye-councillors/



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 20:21:53 +0100

[quote jinkazama]I also think some awful example have been given here, Jan, if a woman has an affair and gets pregnant then she is terminating for convenience. And Zoe, a ball of cells, seriously.[/quote]

Well luckily you don’t get to tell women what to do and your strawmen examples are just that.

There is a real contempt shown for women when people talk about examples of women having abortions because they feel like it. All studies show that women consider abortion deeply, they don’t rush into it and most feel intense relief afterward. Suggesting women do it for convenience is no different to when I lived in Egypt and people claimed women couldn’t be judges as they were too emotional.

Shouting at women outside doctors is an extension of this contempt for women.



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:01:36 +0100

[quote eDWaRD WooDWaRD]What surprises me is how many of those anti-abortion protesters are women.[/quote]

During the struggle for universal suffrage, there were women who were against the notion of their sisters being granted the right to vote.

Just because they happened to be female, it doesn't mean they were right: history has taught us otherwise and the same logic applies to female pro-lifers...

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_National_Anti-Suffrage_League]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_National_Anti-Suffrage_League[/url]



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:55:11 +0100

BPAS and Marie Stopes are making lots of profit on this nasty business so of course they don't want to see the the moral ethical triumph of providers etc



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:22:48 +0100

Jinkazama if you had the opportunity to read earlier post contraception is not infallible . I fell pregnant whilst using intra uterine device. Laziness had nothing to do with it. My actions whatever have no place on this Forum. It was a general debate about the rights of protesters to harangue people visiting Marie Stopes or similar establishments.

Convenience? Not really, self preservation and safety of children already born?



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:07:45 +0100

[quote jinkazama]no that was an example of a selfish woman terminating for convenience because she was too lazy to use a condom[/quote]

An example to which purpose? To educate or to wag a finger?



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:07:53 +0100

[quote jinkazama]no that was an example of a selfish woman terminating for convenience because she was too lazy to use a condom[/quote]

An example for which purpose? Educating or wagging the finger?



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:47:16 +0100

no that was an example of a selfish woman terminating for convenience because she was too lazy to use a condom



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:01:17 +0100

[quote jinkazama], Jan, if a woman has an affair and gets pregnant then she is terminating for convenience. And Zoe, a ball of cells, seriously.[/quote]

Is that your idea of "educating on prevention rather than aftermath"?



Re: A start

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:36:28 +0100

I don't agree with people protesting like this and they should be removed, their efforts would be better spent on educating on prevention rather than aftermath.

I also think some awful example have been given here, Jan, if a woman has an affair and gets pregnant then she is terminating for convenience. And Zoe, a ball of cells, seriously.



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Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:53:44 +0100

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Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 22:45:49 +0100

[quote tone]In all these posts I do not see a mention of the fathers . Are they around at these clinics helping to protect these ladies from verbal and visual abuse or does not responsibility stretch this far ?[/quote]

For someone to be a father there would have to be a child. Anyway, as a father myself, not in a position where my partner would consider a termination, I have stepped in / confronted the protesters at Blackfriars MP. Their tactics are reprehensible on a general level, not just where pregnant women are concerned. Those images they show belong in public as much as pornography would.



Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 22:24:38 +0100

In all these posts I do not see a mention of the fathers . Are they around at these clinics helping to protect these ladies from verbal and visual abuse or does not responsibility stretch this far ?



Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 21:32:03 +0100

He is right though, it’s a foetus. His concern for the rights of a ball of cells above that of an actual person is quite odd, but hey each to their own. It’s ultimatley my decision what I do with my body though, not anybody else’s.

It’s disturbing so many people want to tell women what to do. It’s like we’re in Saudi or something.



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Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:19:56 +0100

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Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:58:34 +0100

[quote Paramount]
Apologies for moaning on about a foetus being torn apart in the womb. Silly me[/quote]

This is exactly the kind of tactics those protesters use with their disgusting imagery and placards. Ban the lot now, freedom of speech comes with responsibility.



Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:45:33 +0100

[quote LiviaDrusilla][quote John C][quote Paramount].... plus truth is oft in the minority[/quote]

Sad but true, Paramount, as the majority who voted for Brexit proved so conclusively. What's wrong with these anti-abortionists? Can't they accept the decision of the majority? Don't they believe in democracy? Why can't they accept that they've lost, and buckle down to make abortion work? Why do they keep moaning on, boring us all with their minority views on public forums like this one?


[/quote]

Haha, precisely.

And [url=http://www.natcen.ac.uk/blog/british-attitudes-to-abortion]support for abortion in the UK[/url] is MUCH stronger than a measly 52%. 92% support abortion if the woman's life is in danger, and 70% when the woman does not wish to have the child for other reasons. At least the British public can get something right.[/quote

Apologies for moaning on about a foetus being torn apart in the womb. Silly me



Re: Laughing Chinese mystery

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:35:48 +0100

Crystal China is the best! :)



Grange Road planning application

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:33:52 +0100

The garage at 200-201 Grange Road (near Tower Bridge Road / Barclays) has been earmarked for demolition. The planning application is to replace it with a HUGE modern building which is far too big for the site (5 storeys high and the depth goes back way beyond the buildings alongside). The developer also wants to drill underground to create a gym in the basement. It would be a real shame to see something so big and modern approved for that site, particularly in a Conservation Area. Deadline for comments is 28th April, reference 18/AP/0631 on Southwark Council Planning website.



Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 12:31:19 +0100

[quote LiviaDrusilla][quote John C][quote Paramount].... plus truth is oft in the minority[/quote]

Sad but true, Paramount, as the majority who voted for Brexit proved so conclusively. What's wrong with these anti-abortionists? Can't they accept the decision of the majority? Don't they believe in democracy? Why can't they accept that they've lost, and buckle down to make abortion work? Why do they keep moaning on, boring us all with their minority views on public forums like this one?[/quote]

Haha, precisely.

And [url=http://www.natcen.ac.uk/blog/british-attitudes-to-abortion]support for abortion in the UK[/url] is MUCH stronger than a measly 52%. 92% support abortion if the woman's life is in danger, and 70% when the woman does not wish to have the child for other reasons. At least the British public can get something right.[/quote]

I didn't know those figures LiviaD - quote '92% support abortion if the woman's life is in danger' - does that really mean that the other 8% of the public would rather see a woman die than have an abortion?



Re: A start

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 11:41:51 +0100

[quote John C][quote Paramount].... plus truth is oft in the minority[/quote]

Sad but true, Paramount, as the majority who voted for Brexit proved so conclusively. What's wrong with these anti-abortionists? Can't they accept the decision of the majority? Don't they believe in democracy? Why can't they accept that they've lost, and buckle down to make abortion work? Why do they keep moaning on, boring us all with their minority views on public forums like this one?[/quote]

Haha, precisely.

And [url=http://www.natcen.ac.uk/blog/british-attitudes-to-abortion]support for abortion in the UK[/url] is MUCH stronger than a measly 52%. 92% support abortion if the woman's life is in danger, and 70% when the woman does not wish to have the child for other reasons. At least the British public can get something right.



Re: Trees Baylis Road

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:35:39 +0100

P.S. thanks James for the correct info



Re: Trees Baylis Road

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:34:59 +0100

No no no! That's a terrible design. Why the hell have they replaced the sensible plan with this shower of nonsense.

Whoever suggested this needs a poke in the eye.

The vast majority of cyclist deaths in London have been due to left-turning vehicles: why the hell do they keep re-designing junctions to funnel bikes down the left side of left-turning traffic?! Forcing all the vehicles to the right of the bikes, when there is no right turn allowed at the junction. This is insane.



Re: Kitchen and Bathroom

Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:27:18 +0100

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Yilmaz visited the flat two times before work began to discuss the job and give advice on how best to proceed. I found him to be knowledgeable, polite and very understanding of what was required and the timeframe in which the work was to be completed.

Much of the work was done while I was abroad and I found that I could trust him completely to receive deliveries, communicate any important matters to me and work to a tight schedule.

The quality of his work is excellent and Yilmaz pays attention to the small the details that make a job look professional. He and his team have a wide range of skills and there wasn’t any aspect of my job requirements that they could not handle. I felt that I could trust them to get on with the work without constant oversight and that the end result would be of a high standard.