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Sorry, Elon Musk! Driverless Cars Will Take Longer Than You Think.


If you listen to Elon Musk, driverless cars are a technology that are just around the corner.

"I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem," Musk said in June 2016 in The Guardian. "I think we are probably less than two years away."

But, Bob Poole, Searle Freedom Trust Transportation Fellow and Director of Transportation Policy at Reason Foundation is skeptical of Musk's timeline. "Skepticism is coming partly from researchers [...] at UC Berkeley, at Carnegie Mellon, at MIT who say this is a much harder problem than a lot of people, including Elon Musk, make it out to be."

Poole suggested to Reason TV's Editor in Chief, Nick Gillespie, that it will take a few decades at least before engineers are able to figure out the unexpected surprises of driving on city streets, not to mention the high cost of implementation into a market of cars that are not driverless. Further, Poole points out that once driverless options are available, they may completely throw a wrench in city transportation projects that are projected to take 30 to 40 years to build.

Interview by Nick Gillespie. Editing by Paul Detrick. Shot by Meredith Bragg and Jim Epstein.

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Reason's Secret Recipe for Nutrient-Rich Coverage of the Trump Era


Warning: Our actual recipe for covering politics in the coming year doesn't actually include eggs (cage-free, of course), milk (raw and unpasteurized), poultry (no left or right wings, thank you very much), Fruit Loops, and booze. Instead, we'll be combining investigative reporting; a commitment to "Free Minds and Free Markets"; in-depth interviews with friends and foes; a brand-spanking-new daily podcast (subscribe for free!); and award-winning videos that inspire other outfits to follow suit (watch this from us in 2013, read this from Rolling Stone in 2014, and then watch this from Vice's Weediquette in 2016). Since 1968, when we began as a humble mimeographed magazine, Reason has broken the mold of tired left-right politics and provided a radically alternative way of thinking about politics, culture, and ideas—one that says all of us should be the authors of our own lives, planners of our own destinies, and masters of our own domains. As important, we're not only giving you a heads-up about really bad government policies and actions that threaten to limit our freedom, we're showing the ways in which people all over the world are using human ingenuity and technological innovation to create the world they want NOW. From printing 3D guns to making the moral case for free trade to showing how amateur filmmakers are building on legendary franchises such as Star Trek, you'll read about it, watch it, or hear about first at Reason. Over the past 12 months, averaged 4 million monthly visits and Reason TV videos doubled their audience, pulling more than 2 million views here, at Facebook, and at YouTube. With a small but dedicated staff, we publish thousands of words every day at and covered the ups-and-downs of the Libertarian Party presidential campaign like nobody else. We are your voice for libertarian ideas in the media, appearing on thousands of TV and radio shows, making the case for maximum human freedom and minimal government. We love what we do—and we can't do it without your help. That's why we're hosting our annual webathon through Tuesday, December 6. We're asking readers of this site to make tax-deductible donations in dollars and Bitcoin to Reason Foundation, the 501(c)(3) nonprofit that publishes our award-winning journalism in video, audio, and print form. Different giving levels come with different levels of swag: $100 Reason magazine sub (includes print or digital) {digital includes access to archives of 46 years of Reason Magazine} Receive invitations to Reason events in your area. $250 Includes print and digital subscription to Reason plus a Reason T-Shirt custom designed for this webathon by Reason Magazine art director Joanna Andreasson. Receive books by Reason authors. $500 All of the above and a copy of the film "Can we Take a Joke?" $1,000 Receive all of the above plus a private lunch in Washington, DC with a Reason editor and an invitation to Reason Weekend. $5,000 Receive all of the above plus a Reason 1oz silver Bastiat Coin & 2 tickets to the Reason Media Awards in NYC (includes VIP seating and a reception with Nick, Katherine, & Matt). $10,000 All of the above & 2 tickets to Reason Weekend for 1st time attendees. The 2016 election was about the weirdest campaign in history, pitting two manifestly unpopular candidates against one another, with neither one being able to win in a convincing fashion. Historically low numbers of Americans identify as Republican and Democrat, and more of us are libertarian than ever before. The coming year will be a hinge point for America, one where reactionaries on the right and left will try to maintain the same policies and mind-sets that have brought us a decade of anemic economic growth, endless war and surveillance, and an inability to define a positive, open-ended future. In such a world, Reason's journalism—print, online, video, and audio—has never been more vital or needed. With your (tax-deductible!) support, we will be whipping up tasty, nutritious feasts for the mind and the body. Please[...]

The Ethical Argument for Free Trade - Daniel Hannan on Brexit


Daniel Hannan is one of Brexit's biggest champions. A Member of the European Parliament and a leading Euroskeptic, Hannan's advocacy of withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union has earned him international attention. While critics regarded the "Vote Leave" campaign as a dangerous retreat from globalization, Hannan has made consistent, libertarian arguments for withdrawal as a path towards greater democracy and free markets.

Noting the E.U.'s sluggish economic growth rates and its failure to establish free trade agreements with China and India, Hannan believes the U.K. should take charge of its own economic destiny. "I want people to be making the ethical argument for free trade as the supreme instrument of poverty alleviation, of conflict resolution and of social justice," Hannan says. He adds, "It's the multinationals that thrive on the distortions and the tariffs and the quotas, he says. "And it's the poor who will benefit most from their removal."

Hannan pushes back against the charge of Brexit as a symptom of xenophobia. Following the Brexit win, he says, poll numbers demonstrate that voters were most concerned with sovereignty. "All of the polls were very clear that the biggest issue was democracy. Immigration was a very distant second," he says. "People wanted a sense of control and I think that's a perfectly legitimate thing."

With Brexit not taking effect until 2019 and the terms of withdrawal not yet negotiated, the United Kingdom's future has rarely seemed so uncertain. In two year's time, the U.K. will have the opportunity to decide on its own policies of trade and immigration. Hannan is confident his country will do the right thing.


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Interview by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Alex Manning. Camera by Meredith Bragg and Jim Epstein.

Will Trump Make Infrastructure Great Again?


"What we know [about Trump] so far is that he talked a lot about crumbling infrastructure and the need to make America's infrastructure great again," says Bob Poole, Searle Freedom Trust Fellow and the Director of Transportation Policy at the Reason Foundation. "This suggests a big new emphasis on some kind of federal transportation program."

Poole sat down with Nick Gillespie to discuss the transportation policies likely to be introduced in the new Trump administration and reasons for libertarians to feel hopeful when it comes to the president-elect's infrastructure plan. "I'm encouraged by what I see," says Poole, who cites the involvement of Shirley Ybarra, a former Reason Foundation fellow and Secretary of Transportation in the state of Virginia, as a sign that Trump will look to public private partnerships as part of his transportation strategy.

During the campaign, Trump proposed a transportation plan that would cost at least $500 billion dollars, but has been vague as to how the program would be financed.

Poole says that the best way to raise funds is to treat infrastructure as a public utility. "People get their highway bill every month like they get their electric bill and water bill," Poole states. "They're paying for what they use and only what they use. They're not subsidizing a whole bunch of other projects that they never see."

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Interview by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Alexis Garcia. Camera by Meredith Bragg and Jim Epstein. Music by Topher Mohr and Alex Elena and Jingle Punks.

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Donald Trump and the Coming Battle Over Legal and Illegal Immigration


"So long as people are coming here to live peacefully and work peacefully," says Reason Foundation Senior Analyst Shikha Dalmia, the burden should be on the government "to show to us why they shouldn't be here."

Dalmia sat down with Nick Gillespie to talk about the scary prospects for U.S. immigration policy in the incoming Trump administration. Particularly worrisome is that Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) is Trump's chief adviser on immigration. He's uniquely dangerous, Dalmia says, and has broken with the Republican Party by opposing high-skilled immigration—even floating a proposal to scrap the H1-B visa program.

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Interview by Nick Gillespie. Produced by Justin Monticello. Camera by Meredith Bragg and Jim Epstein. Music by Silent Partner.

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Biting the Hands that Feed Us: Food Laws vs. Culinary Reality


As our world becomes more hyper-individualized, our taste in food is following suit. From cooking in our own kitchens to finding new creative dishes at restaurants, we're all becoming artisanal chefs and demanding gourmands. Yet politicians and activists, often in a misguided attempt to keep us safe, are passing increasingly bizarre and counterproductive laws to keep us from buying, making, and eating the food we want.

In Biting the Hands that Feed Us: How Fewer, Smarter Laws Would Make Our Food System More Sustainable, lawyer Baylen Linnekin gives readers a view of the overlooked consequences of the many absurd rules baked into America's food system. Since at least the New Deal, he writes, overreaching buttinskies on the federal and local level have tried to shut down entrepreneurs, charities, and even home gardeners who are just trying feed themselves and others. From the U.S. Department of Agriculture dictating how butchers cure meat to New York City's then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg banning food donations to homeless people to banning berry-picking in public parks, no food practice seems too small to regulate in the name of safety.

A solution, says Linnekin in an interview with Reason's Nick Gillespie, is to simply emphasize good outcomes rather than rigid processes. Linnekin, who founded the nonprofit Keep Food Legal and has served as an expert witness in an ongoing federal First Amendment food-labeling lawsuit, also writes about "food freedom" at every Saturday (check out his archive here).

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The Case for Optimism About Trump's Presidency


Since the election of Donald Trump, we've been talking to libertarian policy experts about what a Trump presidency will bring to health care, education, foreign policy, and the justice system. The people we talked to are Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute, Lisa Graham Keegan, former head of education in Arizona, historian Thaddeus Russell, legal scholar Randy Barnett, and defense attorney and legal blogger Ken White of Popehat.

To our surprise, the mood is one of skeptical optimism. All agree that Trump is likely to hand off the details of policy and day-to-day operations to his cabinet secretaries and administrators. In many cases, those people are almost certain to be preferable to ones selected by Hillary Clinton. And even when when they are not, there's reason to believe that a resurgent Congress and bureaucratic inertia will put a stop to Trump's worst desires.

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Economic Growth, Coherent Foreign Policy, Trust in Govt: What WON'T Be Settled Today


If you think that much of anything related to politics will be settled by Tuesday's election, here's some bad news for you: Nothing that matters is really over. There are at least three major issues facing the country when either President Clinton or President Trump gets sworn in next January. What about economic growth? You may not realize it, but the U.S. has been out of recession for seven years, one of the longest economic expansions in American history. But the average rate of growth since 2009 has been around 2 percent, making this the weakest economic recovery since 1949. Economic growth is essential to improving wealth and standards of living—and it helps to defuse all sorts of explosive political issues, from trade to immigration to welfare. But for all of the 21st century–under George Bush and Barack Obama–economic growth has been much lower than average. Neither Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump has articulated a plan that will actually grow the economy. Clinton will jack up taxes and spending on everything, a sure-fire way to keep the economy puttering along. Trump will punch add five-trillion dollars to the national debt, which will also dampen growth. And if the American economy doesn't improve, don't expect anything else too. Who will we bomb next? Hillary Clinton is a hawk's hawk who has voted for, lobbied for, or taken credit for all of our military interventions in the 21st century. Despite such actions—of more accurately, BECAUSE of such actions—the world is a bigger mess than ever. At times Donald Trump sounds like he would be a relative dove and at others, he sounds like a crazy man; at the very least, like Hillary Clinton, he said that he would increase military spending. Neither of them has articulated a foreign policy that will help stabilize the U.S. economy, reduce international terrorism, or bring order to hot spots in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, or Asia any time soon. What do you believe in? Trust in most major American institutions are at or near historic lows—the media, religious organizations, labor, business—you name it. That's especially when it comes to the two major political parties and government in general. Even worse, millennials—Americans between about 18 and 35 years old—aren't just the biggest generation, they are the most skeptical. Who can blame them—or us? The Iraq War was sold on bad information and prosecuted poorly; President Obama's claims that his health care reform would let you keep your doctor was the Lie of the Year, and we've learned that neither Democrats or Republicans give a rat's ass about the government spying on us. Wikileaks and others have exposed Hillary Clinton as two-faced and Donald Trump's is a serial scam artist and bully Neither will address the massive and ongoing evacuation of trust and confidence in government and politics. If anything, they will likely pour gas on the dumpster fire. America is moving rapidly from a high-trust society to a low-trust one and that's really bad news, especially for those of us who want a government that spends less and does less. Paradoxically, people in low-trust countries turn to government in ever-higher numbers. In a cruel and unpredictable world, they want a protector, no matter how untrustworthy. Until the major parties start governing in the light of day and stop nominating candidates who are distrusted by majorities of Americans, don't expect much to change. Except for things to get even nastier, at least until 2020. Written by Nick Gillespie. Video by Meredith Bragg. For charts, links, and more, go here now. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Like us on Facebook. Follow us on Twitter. Subscribe to our podcast at iTunes. [...]

Pot, Death, and Minimum Wage: 6 Things to Pay Attention to This Election


There's more on the ballot in 2016 than the giant trainwreck on national television. Let's stop rubbernecking for a minute and take a look at 6 other important things at stake on November 8th.

Pot is on the ballot in 9 states, which means some form of legalized marijuana could potentially exist in 29 different states. That could be a tipping point for reform, as public approval for marijuana is at an all time high.

Maine is tired of having a governor that more people voted against than for, so they came up with Question 5, which would implement ranked choice voting in the state. It's a system designed to remove the third party spoiler effect, with voters ranking their candidates and dropping last place finishers until someone has a majority.

Minimum wage hikes are on the ballot in four states, but one to watch is South Dakota, which seems to have realized the negative effect a higher minimum wage has on youth employment, and might decrease the minimum wage for workers under the age of 18.

While three states grapple with putting convicted criminals to death, Colorado might legalize killing yourself. Prop 106 would allow assisted suicide for those who have been diagnosed with a terminal illness and have less than six months to live, pushing the government out of end-of-life decisions.

California Prop 61 would prohibit state agencies from paying more for a prescription drug than what the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs pays. No one knows for sure what the outcome of that would be, but it just might be like that time in 1990 when Congress tried to do the exact same thing with Medicaid. Back then, drug companies responded by raising prices on drugs sold to the VA, and soon enough Congress repealed the mandate. But in defiance of history, economics, and opposition campaigns outspending supporters by around 100 Million Dollars, polls indicate that the measure will probably pass.

One big question on election day will be how many votes can Gary Johnson pull in? If he hits the 5% threshold, the Libertarian party would be classified as a "minor party," and be eligible for matching public election funds. Now, will they take Government money with strings attached?

Produced by Austin Bragg. Narrated by Nick Gillespie.

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Has President Obama Been Good or Bad for Criminal Justice Reform?


"I think Obama has been kind of revolutionary [on criminal justice reform] in that he has said things that no other sitting President has ever said before," says Radley Balko, columnist with the Washington Post. "That said, most of the revolutionary aspects of the administration have been about saying things and not necessarily doing things."

Balko writes a column, The Watch, which covers civil liberties and the criminal justice system and he sat down with Reason TV editor in chief, Nick Gillespie in Nashville to talk about progress made in criminal justice reform.

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Fighting the System From Within


Retired Major Neill Franklin spent 34 years with the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department. Today he serves as executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), a nonprofit that advocates an end to the war on drugs. Reason TV's Nick Gillespie sat down with Franklin at FreedomFest in Las Vegas in July. For a video version of this interview, visit Q: Do blacks and whites have dramatically different experiences with police? A: Absolutely. Historically in this country, the police have never really been the friends of the black community. We're only a couple hundred years out of slavery, and the slave patrols—mainly in the South—were rounding up runaway slaves and so on, and much of our policing was born out of that. Q: You're pulled over and you get a ticket, which gets a fine attached to it when you don't pay it because you don't have the money. Is it a means for social control? A: Police have always been tax collectors, and unfortunately certain communities bear that burden more than others. You know, a $250 fine doesn't mean much to people who have money. Pay the fine and go on and get another tomorrow. No big deal. But when you enforce these policies in poor communities—and this was one of the things that was discovered in the St. Louis/Ferguson area—a $100 fine can devastate a family. Q: In Dallas during a Black Lives Matter protest five policemen were killed. How does that make you feel? A: In addition to feeling the pain of the families of those five police officers, the other thing that came to mind was the disservice that we have done to our police brothers and sisters in this country. And when I say "we," I'm talking about our politicians, and I'm talking about the policies that we have passed and continue to pass, such as drug prohibition, where we're trying to solve a public health crisis with criminal justice solutions. And our cops are the tip of the spear. Q: If cops had their choice, they wouldn't be going after the nickel-and-dime crimes? A: If cops had a choice, we'd be going after murderers, rapists, robberies. Helping families with domestic violence issues. We'd be going after people who are hurting people, not trying to be someone's guardian. Now, don't get me wrong. As a cop, as a member of a community, yes. We become mentors. We become teachers for young people. We even become somewhat of a social worker from time to time. But it shouldn't be your duty. Q: Are you optimistic about the future? A: We're starting to see people look at this as a health issue with some of the harder drugs. And with marijuana, they're realizing, "Hey, let's end [prohibition]. Let's move." We [at LEAP] didn't expect this to happen in our lifetime, so we're very happy about that. We need a completely new model of policing. What we have now is a lot like trying to fix a broken car. It was a used car in the first place. It never did work. We were constantly trying to repair it. There comes a time in your life where you say, "You know what? I need a new car with a warranty that's going to get me from point A to point B." Q: What are the preconditions to have an honest conversation about that? A: The first thing we need is reconciliation, and I say that it should come from the police first. It needs to come from many different places, but it needs to come from our politicians and the police first. Why? Because we have the power. [...]

Conservatarian Novelist Brad Thor: ISIS Exemplifies Islam, Trump and Clinton are Terrible


In an unbroken chain of best-selling and page-turning thrillers featuring special-ops agent Scot Harvath, Brad Thor has created a fictional universe that reflects our chaotic contemporary world. Enemies are everywhere and up to all sorts of evil, but there are good guys who are not only principled but even victorious most of the time. His books are also chock full of philosophizing and political and economic commentary from a "conservatarian" perspective. 2013's Hidden Order, which revolved around attempts to assassinate nominees to head the Federal Reserve, quoted extensively from libertarian economics writer Henry Hazlitt and histories of the Fed. Thor notes that he was raised in a part-Objectivist home and exposed early and often to the works of Ayn Rand. That upbringing infuses his fiction with a love of ideas and his education at the University of Southern California with acclaimed novelist T.C. Boyle helps imbue his work with literary flourishes. Thor's latest book, Foreign Agent, engages the threat of extremist Islam and provocatively argues (amidst the action scenes and plot twists) that the truest form of the faith isn't practiced by contemporary reformers but by fundamentalist Muslims and the terrorists in ISIS and Al Qaeda. A native of the Chicago area, Thor talked to Reason in his adopted hometown of Nashville. During a wide-ranging interview with Nick Gillespie, he says, I believe that if Mohammed came back today...and handed out trophies for who the best Muslims were, ISIS would get them. Al Qaeda would get them. They're practicing Islam exactly the way he told them to practice it. So they're not perverting the religion. Technically, its the people that we like, the moderate, peaceful Muslims, who are actually perverting it. No stranger to stirring the political pot, the "conservatarian" author also discusses his discussion with Glenn Beck about the hypothetical removal of a President Donald Trump. Thor's #NeverTrump call to action got him in hot water with Sirius XM after a vociferous exchange last May on Glenn Beck's radio show, with some listeners claiming he was talking about assassination (a charge Thor absolutely rebuts in this interview). His discussion of his early development as as writer is of interest to his many fans. A writer who can turn the Federal Reserve Bank into a nail-biting thriller – as Thor did in Hidden Order – has valuable lessons to share in the arts of espionage and storytelling. INTERVIEW CONTENTS 0:36 - Who is Scot Harvath? What's the story of 'Foreign Agent'? 2:20 - Where does reality end and fiction begin in Thor's writing? 6:38 - Is 'Hidden Order' a small-government thriller? 10:23 - 'The Last Patriot' and America's long history of conflict with Islam. 15:09 - Death threats and Brad Thor's "Salman Rushdie moment". 16:38 - Is Islam compatible with the secular, pluralist West? 26:05 - Thor's Objectvist/conservative/libertarian worldview and the militarization of the police. 33:45 - Thor's formal education and development as a writer. 37:12 - Are conservatives cultural philistines? 39:09 - How travel changed Thor's perspective. 43:26 - Views on technology, immigration, and American exceptionalism. 47:38 - Did Thor publicly advocate the assassination of president Trump? 51:10 - America has "cancer". Hillary and Trump and terrible. [Nick Gillespie] Hi I'm Nick Gillespie with Reason TV and today we are sitting down in Nashville Tennessee with the best-selling author Brad Thor. He writes the Scot Harvath thriller series, the most recent in a long list of New York Times best sellers is 'Foreign Agent'. Brad, thanks for talking to us. [Brad Thor] Thanks for having me Nick. [Gillespie] So let's get right into the latest book 'Foreign Agent' talk a little about the plot whi[...]

The Harsh Reality of Obamacare's Premium Hikes


Obamacare may be "standing on the edge of a death spiral" according to Reason Features Editor Peter Suderman.

Health insurance premiums under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are set to rise dramatically in 2017, an average of 25 percent for middle tier coverage options. What does this increase mean for consumers, taxpayers, and the future of the ACA? Reason TV's Nick Gillespie sat down with Suderman to find out.

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The Fight for Free Speech on College Campuses


"It used to be college was a place for open dialogue and open debate," says Says Cliff Maloney Jr., Executive Director at Young Americans for Liberty (YAL). "But now we find free speech zones, we find unconstitutional policies. And thats our goal with...our national fight for free speech campaign. How do we tackle them? How do we change them and reform them?"

YAL, the non-profit pro-liberty organization that emerged from the 2008 Ron Paul campaign, encourages college students to understand and exercise their constitutional rights. "We try to reach kids with these ideas. We do that through activism. Real events–which college campuses are supposed to be all about–taking ideas to students and having these discussions." Since its founding, YAL has increased chapters from 100 to over 700 nationwide.

Maloney sat down with Reason's Nick Gillespie to talk about YAL, the state of free speech on campus, and his goal of making politics "sexy."

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Mike Rowe Wears Trump’s Robe, Fights a Drone, and Solves the Labor Shortage


What's life like for Mike Rowe without a network television show? Since Somebody's Gotta Do It is no longer on CNN Rowe has had his privacy violated by a drone, the former host of Dirty Jobs survived the rumors of his own death swirling about the internet, and in the home stretch of an ugly presidential election, he worries more than ever about unemployment, the skills gap, and a widespread loss of meaning in American life. Yet Rowe himself remains more popular than ever. Days after Rowe read a letter from his mother detailing how she lost her purse at Wal-Mart, the post went hyperviral. It was seen by over 100 million people – "a third of the country!" he exclaims. "I've never seen anything like it," Rowe tells Reason TV, "I've talked to people at Facebook who said they've never seen anything like it." Rowe has also found a way to turn C.R.A.P – that's Collectibles, Rare and Precious – into philanthropy. His auction of a swanky Trump Tower bathrobe, signed by The Donald himself, fetched a cool $16,000 on eBay. The money then trickled down from the alleged billionaire to The Mike Rowe Works Foundation, which funds "work ethic scholarships" that provide out-of-luck workers with valuable skills for the modern economy. Nick Gillespie caught up with Mike Rowe in Nashville, Tennessee to chat about his affection for the Second Amendment, his adventures in podcasting, the 2016 election, the secret to extracting semen from a prize racehorse, and more. Produced by Todd Krainin. Hosted by Nick Gillespie. Cameras by Paul Detrick and Krainin. INTERVIEW CONTENTS 0:00 - Teaser. 0:45 - Intro. 1:05 - Naked Mike Rowe and a Mossberg 500 vs. a drone. 7:39 - What happened to Somebody's Gotta Do It? 11:34 - Have we lost touch with the important things in life? 15:50 - Work ethic scholarships. 18:56 - How to extract semen from a prize racehorse. 21:45 - Donald Trump's robe 23:33 - Thoughts on free trade. 31:02 - Thoughts on occupational licensure. 34:50 - The false choices of American life. 36:30 - The secret to a successful career: Love the hard work. 40:05 - The Way I Heard It and a massively popular letter from Rowe's mother. INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT: This is a rush transcript. Check against video for accuracy. Nick Gillespie Hi, I'm Nick Gillespie with Reason TV and we are sitting down with Mike Rowe of the Mike Rowe Works Foundation and of recently of Somebody's Gotta Do It and Dirty Jobs. Mike Rowe, thanks for talking to Reason TV. Mike Rowe Last time I saw you, you were wearing that same jacket and I was wearing this same hat. Gillespie Well there you go. What goes around comes around. Now, the two headlines that you are most famous for most recently are 'Naked Mike Rowe' and 'Mike Rowe Dead' What uh why were you naked and how did that lead to you being dead? Rowe Well it's a big week. I was uh in the midst of what I thought was some bizarre gardening dream and in the dream uh a bumblebee was in my ear. And when I awakened I realized A: It wasn't a dream and B: It wasn't a bee. But there was a buzzing sound and it was coming from the other side of my bedroom window and I leapt from the bed in what I described as my favorite pair of imaginary pajamas. And I pulled the drapes aside and there was a camera hovering, not in mid air, but from the belly of a drone and the drone was making this horrible buzzing sound. And I was standing there in my horrible nakedness not fully awake but sentient enough to know that something had to be done. So I retreated to the uh bed, pulled the Mossberg 500 from underneath. Gillespie And, by the way, do you get a uh is that a product placement? Rowe It's not. I just like the way I feel when I say Mossberg 500. It's a [...]