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Comments on: Djokovic Captures Masters Cup, Then Suffers Injury While Celebrating



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By: steve smith

Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:11:27 +0000

Generally I do not post on blogs, but I would like to say that this post really forced me to do so! really nice post.



By: JJFAN

Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:28:04 +0000

Giner wrote: "If he plays Adelaide first week of January next year instead of Hopman Cup (exo tournament), he will be #2 seed in Melbourne. But I don’t think he will hold onto the spot against Federer for long. I do not think Novak will defend his AO title. He will make a semi and lose to either Federer or Murray. I expect the title to be won by one of these two, probably Murray." [JJFAN] I haven't seen Murray with the legs to go all the way. He seems to come up short needing about a week's rest before ready for a final match. He needs some luck to stay fresh enough to still be there at the end. I believe that would mean no heroic, five set marathon's. That will be nice and a good pay day, but what will be left? What would help is more of the limitation to three sets, especially important toward the end, when playing two or more days in a row. Endurance should be part of the game instead of the game itself. No single aspect other than ability to control the ball should define playing the game. Endurance is important but not everything. Allowing the masters to have a bit longer careers with fewer injury periods would be good too, I think.



By: Giner

Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:22:21 +0000

"So Novak starts the year on a high note and finishes on a high note, and with Rafael Nadal ailing and Federer focusing on the Slams in his elder years, Novak can really make a run at No. 1 next year. Will he get it? I don’t think so, but with this win he’s firmly back in the conversation." If he plays Adelaide first week of January next year instead of Hopman Cup (exo tournament), he will be #2 seed in Melbourne. But I don't think he will hold onto the spot against Federer for long. I do not think Novak will defend his AO title. He will make a semi and lose to either Federer or Murray. I expect the title to be won by one of these two, probably Murray.



By: Von

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:31:36 +0000

redux & TwoCents: FYI - Tomorrow at 4:00 pm Tennis Channel will be broadcasting Bangkok Exho. TwoCents: I'm sure you can still book your flight. :P Maybe it will be shown on live streaming.



By: zola

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:24:11 +0000

well, I wrote " we all have our moments" and I for one, don't feel humiliated for not knowing the fact that Roddick was fined for Paris not Monte Carlo and I do not persist on something and try to show it as a fact. So much rage and hatred, it is amazing!



By: Von

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:59:30 +0000

Sean: Further to the discussion on the MS tourneys falling into an obligatory/mandatory situation with respect to player participation in '09, does this mean that the past allowance of the players missing 2 MS tourneys is now rendered moot? Thanks for a reply.



By: Von

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:14:24 +0000

Who gives one bloody shit! When people state: "And “MonteCarlo” was always an obligatory tournament, in par with other ATP master series. "It is common knowledge", that's humiliating another person, because they made an error and/or because they don't make it a priority to savour every little detail of the "clay" season. It's common knowledge for some, not everyone, hence the discussion.



By: Von

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:04:46 +0000

Roddick did not get fined for missing Monte Carlo. he got fined for missing Paris, even though he was injured. In the past players were allowed to miss 2 MS tournaments without being fined.



By: zola

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:58:50 +0000

I am glad we all know now the status of Monte Carlo! one more problem solved in the world! and no one should feel "humiliated" for not knowing these details. we all have our moments.



By: Von

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:56:13 +0000

Sean Randall: "The whole calendar/season has been blown out of proportion by some of the top players and it’s going to have a negative effect on the lower ranked players.” How so? The lower ranked guys are still playing the smaller challenger events even as I type." The negative effect trickling down to the lower-ranked players is a kind of psychological one which could trigger a "pity party" type feeling of wishing and hoping things could have been different for them and resentment can build up. When resentment builds up, it drains the enthusiasm out of us. "What the top players want – and want everyone wants! – is to work less and get paid more. And by shortening the season this is what they would get. Maybe they wouldn’t make as much on the tour but whatever difference was lost they could easily earn on an exo tour." Isn't that what we all want from life, unfortunately that's not what always happens. This goes back to my post wherein I mentioned people are so happy to have a job they'll do anything, but then they begin to want more and with wanting more, they incorporate changes which stray far from the original agreement. Maybe ATP should just say to them, OK play the 12 obligatory tournaments and move on. One thing I know the novelty of these exhos will wear off for the fans, because fans will be so saturated with them and won't be as supportive -- the exhos will just die a natural death, and then what will the big boys do then? Imagine if you will, all of them playing in their own little tournaments all over the world. Eventually fans will tire and want the real thing. It's bad enough with the MS finals being only 2 of 3, and now the TMC has followed suit. What will be next, the Grand slams? At the TMC during every match there were several vacant seats and the media coverage was very low priority. I think all of these "player-friendly" changes are killing the sport. Another problem I see with the exhos, and the shorter season, the interest in tennis will take a nose dive. Tennis, is not as popular as the other sports. Can you just imagine what will happen to its popularity if the season were to be cut short? There will be a tremendous domino effect, from fans to media to you name it. I don't see a pretty picture. I've written a lot on the ramifications of the injuries on the sport, to the shorter calendar, et al., because of the love I have for the sport, which i don't want to deteriorate. I hope '09 will re-awaken a new desire in the players for their game and also put things into perspective as to why they became tennis players in the first place. Was it the love of the sport, or just an avenue to live a more luxurious life. If it's the latter, then the sport will suffer -- money rules. It's a sort of parallel as to why people become doctors. was it a burning desire to help the sick or to earn a fat pay check.



By: Von

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:17:55 +0000

JJFAN: Maybe I should have made myself a little more explicit, however, I think I did, but I don't eat and sleep with tennis on my mind. As of 2009 Monte Carlo is non-mandatory, for which i offered an explanation as to why i didn't include it in my list of 2009 MS tourneys. MC was mandatory in previous years and I made a mistake when I wrote a previous post that it was "NEVER" mandatory. I was thinking of something else at the time, and because I don't proof read I didn't catch it. You know what, I'm human and am fallible. For me, these technicalities are not as big a deal as some make it out to be. For instance, I don't have the time, desire nor patience to go back to several years to check which tournament offered what. I'll defer to the experts who relish sharing their expertise at the expense of another's humiliation.



By: zola

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:12:41 +0000

Another link regarding Monte Carlo status. I hope it helps: Monte Carlo settles suit with ATP, to ""forgo"" player commitments http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=2949033



By: zola

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:59:29 +0000

gulu dear, sorry just saw your post. No, I am not from Spain. I might go live there one day ( hopefully!). I love the sunshine and the warm waters. I live right here in the US of A! I saw this today as well. You might enjoy it too. Vamos the great champions of tennis! http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1112405/index.htm?eref=sisf



By: Von

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:57:17 +0000

JJFAN: You are making me work! I'm not a computer savvy person, and I haven't been able to find anything which absolutely spells out all you're asking, however, I remember there was a thread discussing Hamburg and Monte Carlo, which I'd like to proffer as evidence with respect to my statement. Here's the link to the thread on which it was discussed. Monte Carlo is non-mandatory but remains in the MS category, offering the winner 1,000 points. http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2008-08-05/563.php#comment-43996ATP d Hamburg in Landmark Jury Trial. You stated: "Also note that choice of 2 “Master Series Gold” tournaments are also part of a "mandatory" {emphasis added] quota. To me, that means there are 11 required participations plus the season ending tournament for the 8 qualifiers or their alternates." But then you also added: "I noted in my search that ATP does not actually use the term “mandatory” in reference to participation in tournaments. I hope this info helps to shed some light on the situation regarding Monte Carlo's status.



By: zola

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:55:51 +0000

JJfan great post. And "MonteCarlo" was always an obligatory tournament, in par with other ATP master series. It is common knowledge. All they have to do is to look at previous ATP calendars. ALL master series were mandatory till now. From next year Monte Carlo will not be mandatory, but those who prticipate will get full master series points. Also thanks for your link. Sean, ***Zola, they say it’s “mandatory”, but what’s really the difference in missing say Hamburg vs. Barcelona?*** As far as I know, Barcelona is a chosen tournament but each ATP player has to participate in all the master series events. I think they could miss one with a good excuse. But the least is that they get fined. ( like Roddick in Monte Carlo). From 2009, players missing Hamburg will lose prize money and ranking points. Players missing Barcelona, can sit home and watch TV. They might get a call from tournament director though! I also want to point out the pressure on the players to play all the master series. Remember in 2006 when RAfa and Roger and I think Roddick withdrew from PAris. I believe they put these new rules to prevent "THAT" from hapennig. Meaning, they don't like players withdrawing from master series. On paper it looks just a miss, in reality, it is not that simple!



By: Von

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:39:55 +0000

jane: I didn't know Andy had made a decision. Some fan I am. I don't even visit his website. What do I think? Interesting question. I think Stefanki is a no-nonsense type coach and can handle the hotheads, e.g., Johnny Mc, and Andy being a hot-head too, will make the relationship interesting. Maybe Stefanki can get Andy to stay more focused and even become interested in playing on clay, which A-Rod calls his "Kryptonite". My only concern is that Gonzalez didn't too much under Stefanki's tutelage, except for the AO final, but I suppose it depends on on the player. It'll be an improvement over brother John for sure. I hope it works out. I would have liked to see Andy work with Lansdorp for a bit on his serve placement and flattening out his forehand -- Landsdorp moulded Davenport and Sampras. Hopefully those are some of the things Stefanki can do for Andy. Only time will tell is all I can say. :P



By: Von

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:29:06 +0000

MMT: I watched the DC match with Pete and Philipousis, which was sort of nostalgic for me. Watching Pete in his prime reminds me of why I loved to watch him play. Those jumping, overhead smashes with a flair -- a thing of beauty. James Blake tries to emulate Pete in that respect, but it's not the same as when Pete does it. Murphy can sure put one to sleep with his commentaries. I watched the 1992 Wimby final between Agassi and Ivanisivic, who pounded out over 40 aces and still lost. That was Agassi's first Wimby title at 22. The commenatators, Evert and Mckay were a lot better than the DC commentators. Remember to watch the DC matches, Argentina v. Spain. From the comments I've read thus far, it seems Dave is going to win that medal after all. I want him to win it so badly because his heart and soul is in DC and that patriotic pride shows through. They're on re-broadcast toight, so I'll be watching then. If you do watch, enjoy. :P ___________ redux: Did you watch the exho matches? I liked the doubles match, it was much more entertaining than the singles. My only complaint -- it was too short. If you're interested in DC, TC is broadcasting it all weekend. Enjoy. :P



By: Von

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:14:43 +0000

TwoCents: You seem bored and lost without the excitement of the season. To some extent, I believe all of us feel that way. It's a pity you don't have the Tennis Channel in Asia. TC has filled the void whenever there's been a lull in tennis. The next exho is in bangkok, maybe yoy can fly out there to see the matches. Keem smiling, :)



By: jane

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:20:46 +0000

Von Roddick's new coach is Larry Stefanki. What'd'y'a think?!



By: JJFAN

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:59:29 +0000

If Von is correct that Monte Carlo is not a "mandatory" tournament, I am not finding anything to substantiate that, and I don't find that she offered any reference for the claim that Monte Carlo is not "mandatory. The 2008 ATP rules form their published PDF version on the ATP site specifies the following that seems relevant: cite: 1.08 COMMITMENT AGREEMENT A. Commitment Eligibility Players in Good Standing with the ATP who are positioned within the Top 50 in the ATP 2007 Race as of November 19, 2007, are eligible to compete in the year 2008 provided they MUST execute and deliver to the ATP a written Commitment Agreement. The deadline for receipt of the Agreement by the ATP is December 10, 2007. B. Commitment A player who executes and delivers to the ATP a Commitment Agreement agrees and commits to participate in the singles event of all ATP Masters Series Tournaments for which he is accepted, the Tennis Masters Cup (if qualified as a Direct Acceptance or designated as the Alternate) and two (2) International Series Gold Tournaments. ********* There are other references that speak of ATP Master Series categorically, no exceptions. Also note that choice of 2 "Master Series Gold" tournaments are also part of a mandatory quota. To me, that means there are 11 required participations plus the season ending tournament for the 8 qualifiers or their alternates. I noted in my search that ATP does not actually use the term "mandatory" in reference to participation in tournaments. See http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/en/players/ATP_Rulebook.pdf