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Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:38:06 -05:00
Am I the first this week?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:39:06 -05:00
Ok, what's up with the smoke! Could it be Vincent? Is it able to take a form, or does it just play with people's mind?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:39:26 -05:00
Woohoo! Mac, you're early! Nice.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:41:11 -05:00
There are two reasons that I'm upset that they killed Eko.
1) I really liked his character. I still think that could have had him around a much longer and shared more background on him. For example, why was he is Australia? Why was a flying to LA? etc.
2) Since Bernard is the last known survivor from the tail-end of the plane, this pretty much confirms that half of the last 30 episodes have been filler. What I mean is, Season 2 introduced the tail end survivors and all of them have been killed (note: the flight attendant and the kids may still be alive). Anyway, what was the point of having them? Just milking the story? Probably.
Anyway, I complain, but still love the show. See you next week Lost.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:44:45 -05:00
It's tough to post first here. I miss Eko already. He is B.A.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:46:05 -05:00
What? Is this turning into a see who can post first blog? What does it matter?
I heard somewhere where Elizabeth Mitchell's mother-in-law is Ann Margaret. Can anyone say if that is true?
When my time comes, I hope I can go "peacefully" like Eko did.
@ GatorGal - I can still hear your echo, "Eko is passing to the great beyond this week."
Hmmm, maybe Benry is just a big bluff and his name is really Cliff.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:53:16 -05:00
@ Batteries Icluded
He WAS B.A.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:56:15 -05:00
All those Day Break commercials are really driving me nuts. It seems basically like Groundhog Day, in TV series form. They should just advertise it as that, and not act like theyâ€™re fooling anyone.
Also, I definitely think Ben is lying to Jack in their second interaction. Ben has already said he was lying to Jack when they had him prisoner in the hatch, but justified it by saying it was to save his own life. Thereâ€™s no reason to believe he wouldnâ€™t lie again, if his life was at stake, which it is with the tumor.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:56:39 -05:00
> How quickly can Paulo be killed?
> To date, his most significant
> accomplishment is dropping a
> deuce in the Pearl toilet.
That may be your best line of all time. I actually had to stop reading and compose myself before moving on.
Great job once again.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:57:16 -05:00
Great work as usual, thanks!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:58:44 -05:00
"Well, I'm suddenly feeling very stupid," Locke says with a grin.....
Worst acting EVERRRR! And where did these 2 idiot extra actors come from and why didn't they get any acting lessons?!?!? Now they are making Locke look like an idiot, and did he completely forget everything from season 2 ??!?!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:00:34 -05:00
Mac you have the best reviews on the net by far.
Did I see the previews for next week correctly? Is it the season finale already?
Eko was the man. If I was a cast member of Lost I would never drink again. Dang you you get busted for DUI you mine as well pack your bags.
I had the same point as Marty, everyone in the tail section is gone except for Bernard.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:01:23 -05:00
Did we forget about Bernards wife??
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:02:13 -05:00
I was annoyed with the excessive advertising that "one of the survivors will die" over the past week; when the episode began with Eko's back story, I knew he would be the one to bite the dust, so most of the episode I just spent waiting for it to happen. At least it made sense why he was building a church (Amina's comment "You owe your brother a church").
Glad to see the old Locke back, although I also don't get his reasoning behind wanting to communicate with the Others to get their lostmates back. And the video scene with Juliet and Jack was fantastic--sets a whole new direction for the show. Can't wait till next week! Thanks Mac, for a great review as usual.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:04:46 -05:00
"Yet, instead of striding into the castaways' camp and calmly introducing himself, Ben concocts an elaborate scheme to make Jack want to fix him. For the love of God, why didn't Ben just ASK?!"
What makes you think that Ben wasnt on his way to the losties to ask exactly this when Rousseau captured him?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:05:13 -05:00
A terrific analysis of this episode yet again Mac! Thanks. This episode was one of the more frustrating this season. Was Eko repentant when building the church for his brother or not. Why go down that path just to turn him unrepentant at the last moment? The civil war among the Others is a pretty interesting angle, and they have me wanting much more information about it. I still am leaning towards it all being a part of the game they are playing with Jack's head. After all, Ben is a liar. Why not all of them?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:05:54 -05:00
Wait, I should end it now.....before we see 30,000,000 posts saying "bernards wife was in the front"
Lets not have another escalator issue
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:08:14 -05:00
Everybody keeps saying that Bernard is the "last Tailie" still alive - if you think about it, he's not really a Tailie - he just happened to be in the bathroom when the plane fell apart. Yes, he landed with the back of the plane, but he wasn't "supposed" to be there.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:08:35 -05:00
I think we ought to be a little more cautious about pronouncing anything as a "whole new direction" for the show like people are saying about this Jack/Juliet thing. I'm still very bitter about the utter letdown that the "Let's train an army" thing turned out to be. That was supposed to be a series changing event too, and it was just a big waste of time.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:08:37 -05:00
I said it last week, and I'll say it again, I do NOT trust Juliet. I think she is the one who is lying, not Ben. I'm still inclined to believe Sawyer's assessment of her character when he told Kate she (Juliet) would have shot her (Kate) no problem. I think she wants Ben out of the way for whatever reason and is using her feminine wiles on Jack to do it.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:09:36 -05:00
Eko wanted off the show. He had a deal with the writers to get off. He wanted to move back to London and direct a movie. So you can't really blame the writers for his death. But he was a BA. Great episode too.
Not sure if I trust Juliet either. This could be another test by Ben. But then again, Juliet and Ben seem not to get along.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:10:31 -05:00
Two quick comments: did anybody besides me turn their volume up REAL high when Eko uttered his dying words? I couldn't make them out, but he most certainly did NOT say "You're next." Now, whether that was a production gaffe or Locke purposely misleading his friends is anybody's guess. Anybody have a better sound system than me?
Also, I don't think Paulo & Nikki are simply writing devices. Rodrigo Santoro (who plays Paulo) is a HUGE star in Brazil, and the LOST producers certainly could have found a cheaper writing device if that was the only intent.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:11:28 -05:00
Eko dies - Bummer!!!!!
I liked the character.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:12:36 -05:00
Itâ€™s a little early for voting already, so Iâ€™ll move out of "parliament mode".
(HOWEVER, it is the last day for early voting in most states - so get out there and do your civic duty friends!)
On to LOST:
Mac covered it all. But I admit, that altho he is excited about the forthcoming episode, I am still a bit disappointed in the first five adventures so far this season - obviously, next week is going to have to be the MOTHER OF ALL BLOW OUTS if itâ€™s supposed to bring this six-part mini-series to a satisfying close!
I must admit - I love the mystery piled upon mystery, scheme upon scheme, and conjecture upon conjecture that these opening 5 hours have given us! And in spite of the two month hiatus coming up - Iâ€™ll be there faithfully glued in front of the tube when the second season begins.
In an earlier blog - on another station early this morning - someone ventured the premise that - What if Juliette is the real BAD OTHER, and Ben, despite his obvious personality flaws is really THE GOOD OTHER?
Remember, Sawyer once said to Kate . . . â€œThat one would kill you in a second.â€
Referring to Juliette at the stone clearing site.
Talk about sorted intrigue!
What do you folks think about that tact?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:15:07 -05:00
Could this eye patch man be in The Flame? I'm sure I heard mumblings about The Flame.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:15:23 -05:00
I suggest calling them Paulikki for now. And I agree they are prety useless.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:15:24 -05:00
Great review, Mac, and some good points.
Here's my comments:
1) Nikki/Paulo ... I hate that they're "gorgeous", too. Attractive people on TV rarely have anything going on upstairs, ya know? I hope the writers give them some "bite". Paulo in the toilet ... oy.
2) Juliette's Bob Dylan/Sign video ... wow, that was classic LOST. Perfect. I must admit it confused me, though. So many games within games this season. Are they messing with Jack's mind?? Is Juliette a "good guy" or an "bad guy"????
3) Ben ... I have to admit I actually felt sorry for him during the Ben/Jack scene. Sorry, I did. But then, as a child, I always felt sorry for the Disney villains, too. They're just good people doing bad things! LOL.
4) Ecko ... like I said in my post during the last episode, Ecko was a great character, but ultimately a story device. He was the "faith" for the show during Season Two when Locke lost his faith. Now that Locke believes in the serendipity of the island again, Ecko is no longer needed. Bye bye, Ecko. I thought he was a great character, though, and I will miss him.
5) Smoke Monster ... it looks like the writers have brought back the idea that simply wondering around the island is dangerous (Remember when the MYSTERIOUS ISLAND was part of the plot?!). Now, I would imagine that the Losties will have to stick together, not go into the jungle alone, etc. As for what it actually is .... I'm lost, too. Is it running by itself? Or is it being controlled by someone? And is it related to the WHISPERS we sometimes hear, too ???
6) The preview for the next/last episode before the 3-month break looks intense. It also looks like they're cramming a lot of story into 1 hour. An operation, the whole Kate/Sawyer plot, a Kate flashback, and the Losties, too??!! My!
7) The Patch Guy ... I'm so intrigued. I'm having a hard time digesting the backstory, though. I get confused about Dharma vs. Danielle's Scientist Group vs. the Hatch Dudes ...
8) Where are the children????
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:15:26 -05:00
Mac Morning to all!!!
Mac, great review...laugh out loud funny!
I am friggin' pissed that Eko is dead. The relationship between Locke and Eko has been the most intersting thus far, except for the turn of events between Juliet and Jack. I was so upset to see him go, I couldn't sleep last night. Perhaps I have too much emotionally invested in the show :) ya think?
Can I just point out...where are all the black actors? First WALT & MICHAEL conveniently left the island on a boat, EKO is killed. Anyone seen ROSE lately? Or how about MRS. PUGH? All this time spent in OtherWorld and no site of her either? Can a brother get some love from the writers at ABC?
Anyone know why Harold Perrineau (Michael) is still credited for this season? Is he coming back? He is listed on IMDB on all episodes.
I am ready for the castaways to kick some others butt. I like your thoery Mac, that the tide will turn soon. IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME! Hopefully Nikki and Paulo will die soon. They are annoying as hell.
Thank god Jack got is game on again!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:17:17 -05:00
I am with you guys....given that Benry flat out told Jack their "plan" was to mess with his head, what cause do we have to trust anything, anything at all, that he or Juliet say or do? Now, I, for one, really like the idea of Jack and Juliet working together....but, I have no reason to trust her. What if it's her plan to eradicate Benry so she can take over? What if she is really in charge in the first place?
I miss Eko already...he was my fave. I am perpetually disturbed by and confused by the black smoke thing. Does Dharma control it? Do the Others (HBO's or "other"wise...) know about it? Is is energy? Is it consciousness? Is it the same thing Locke saw, and, if so, why did it manifest itself as white when he saw it and black when Eko did?
Was Eko a good guy or a bad guy?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:20:53 -05:00
What!?! No jokes about Jack getting the "Subterranean Homesick Blues" from Juliette's video? That was a hanging curveball right over the plate, and you whiffed on it, Mac. For shame, for shame.
Other than that, another fine episode recap.
I'm more skeptical than you about whether the slow pacing of this season can/will be justified by what follows next, but the proof will be in the pudding. After reading your recap, a new thought occurred: the smoke monster has been suddenly brought back on stage at the same time the new plotline is being drawn to Mr. Patch. One can expect there's going to turn out to be some connection between the two, but lord only knows what.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:21:42 -05:00
When Ben was talking to Jack about the plan to "break" him, I couldn't help but think they already have. When Jack was first captured/imprisoned, he flailed about his cage, refused to eat and demanded to know where his friends are. Now he either sits peacefully or gets in a few reps of chin-ups, munches on a cheeseburger, attends other funerals and enjoys quiet conversation. If that isn't breaking, I don't know what is!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:22:17 -05:00
Has anyone noticed that there are no Hanso Foundation Commercials this season? LOL
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:23:27 -05:00
I think Ben only told Jack of his breaking plan to try and gain his trust. Kind of like, if I tell you what I was going to do to you, but now I'm not, you'll start to think better of me. Something like that.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:23:41 -05:00
I also don't think we are giving Jack enough credit. I am sure he has been considering his options and has something up his sleeve.
I don't trust Juliette. The one talking or the one holding the signs. Maybe Ben was behind the signs?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:25:11 -05:00
@DC: Yup, that was definitely in the wheelhouse. I'm slipping in my old age ;) -- mac
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:25:20 -05:00
What is with the others? are they a cult? do the worship weak-ass late 60's pop tunes or something? And what's with Captain Eye Patch? is he from a different group of others? does he control old smokey? I will miss Ecko, there are too many charachters allreday to loose a good one and add some lame ones. Like that kid with the bad attitude Apple boy.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:25:29 -05:00
I have to believe that the image of Yemi was indeed Smoky. And therefore it stands to reason that the other images people have seen (Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Hurley's friend Dave) were also Smoky. Smoky was stalking Eko, and seemed to back off when Locke appeared. Maybe Smoky only harms people who've done harm to others, e.g., it killed the pilot because intentionally or not the pilot had killed many of the passsengers on his plane. And Eko was unrepentant when "confessing" to Yemi. Very bad mojo. And back when Locke looked into Smoky's eyes, Smoky somehow understood that Locke, even though he'd certainly had the oppportunity to kill the young cop back at Weedpatch, had not taken life. Funny how Eko saw a black monster and Locke saw a bright light. Locke had his faith and Eko didn't. Maybe Smoky is like Yoda's cave on Dagobah, when Yoda tells Luke something along the lines of, "All that's in there is what you take with you." Or maybe Smoky is sorta like Gort from The Day The Earth Stood Still: an unfeeling unstoppable force designed to enforce peace and harmony in its little island universe. If that's true, Sawyer and Kate better watch out.
BTW - someone on one of the other blogs (sorry, Mac) suggested a strong parallel between Lost and 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. I'm gonna hafta do some quick reading. Will report back. Maybe someone who's familiar can comment?
And as for Benry's tumor and the island not healing him, I think maybe he's on the wrong island. Maybe only one of the islands has the power to heal, and maybe that's what Benry was doing when he caught caught up in Rousseau's net. I don't recall - what exactly was the point of her net? Was she trying to capture a polar bear? With a Tonka truck in its mouth?
Juliet is way too hot to be anything but evil. Damn, I like her.
Also, I propose a new acronymâ€¦WGNAEâ€¦stands for We're Gonna Need Another Eko. Thoughts?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:27:21 -05:00
oooh...I like your theory...what if Juliet is the REALLY bad other. That's a good one. The reference to Sawyers comment about Juliet...great connection!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:27:46 -05:00
Something small that I noticed: When Eko was having the hallucination of the warlords in the jungle, he also sees the altar boy who motions "shhh" to him with his finger. Isn't this also what Walt did to Shannon when she used to have visions of him?
And, personally, I am on the "can't stand Paulikki" bandwagon too....I hope something else interesting happens with them....
And, didn't Benry tell Sawyer the best way to earn a con man's respect is to con the con? So who is conning who? Benry? Juliet? Jack? What's the conning combo? Why tell Sawyer that?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:29:42 -05:00
-Eko will be missed.
-Paulo is a tool.
Very Lazarus-like scene with the giant rock in front of the plane entrance.
I thought this episode lent more to the whole "Purgatory Theme". Remember the line at the end from Yemi-guy to Eko, "Are you ready to be judged?"
Great job Mac, thanks for cranking these out.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:30:31 -05:00
@Ransomjack: I'll vote for it!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:32:04 -05:00
Okay, I'm going to commit a cardinal forum posting sin here, but this is really getting to me, especially after this last episode... It concerns the defibrillator and the upcoming surgery on Ben
"Serious question here...
Supposing that they really did put something into Sawyer, which I'm not sure what to believe now...
Is it possible to install a pacemaker without momentarily stopping the heart?
The reason I ask because if the defibrillator is broken or busted as Juliette says it would:
1.) Possibly imply that it was broken when they used it on Sawyer (despite Juliette's implication that its been broken for a while)
2.) Give Jack crucial evidence later to reveal to Sawyer who will most likely doubt that Ben did NOTHING to him, that without a working defib, they couldn't have installed a pacemaker.
3.) Be really coldhearted of Juliette if the defib WAS in working order because they had just used it on Sawyer and let Colleen die anyway.
I hope this makes since.
Is there a doctor in the house?"
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:32:11 -05:00
im hoping nicki/paulo will be like red shirts on start trek
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:32:28 -05:00
I don't understand why the writers had Locke save Eko from the polar bear last episode only to kill him in this one. What were we supposed to learn about Eko and his backstory from this episode that would do us any good? The only thing I really learned is that he wasn't sorry for his past.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:33:08 -05:00
As always, great review. You are the man. I agree with your analysis of the smoke being able to take the form of humans, but I think it can only take the form of people who died on the island. Otherwise it would've already taken the form of one of the survivors and screwed with everyone.
Second, remember the glass eye the Taillies found in the arrow station? I think that glass eye belongs to the man they saw on the television in the Pearl Station.
Also, as far as your suggestion about the map of the other hatches being destroyed, that's not true. Remember, Desmond helped paint the map so obviously he knows where the other hatches should be. Plus with his new psychic powers, he should be able to help hium find it. (If he needs to go on a heroin binge to help paint the future, Charlie can hook him up....oh sorry, wrong show!)
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:36:29 -05:00
It is not necessary to stop the heart in order to insert a pacemaker; it's a fairly simple procedure when compared to other types of heart surgery.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:37:48 -05:00
Just wondering what sort of control Ben has over the Others that makes it necessary to kill him in order to have a regime change...why can't they stage a coup? Hold an election?
Curious to see how that will pan out...
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:42:47 -05:00
Thanks a lot. I figured it would be pretty dangerous to have to stop/restart the heart.
There goes one theory. I still think the "broken" defib is going to be an important piece of the future puzzle.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:43:17 -05:00
Could the polar bear also have been Smokey in disguise? Could explain a lot.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:43:51 -05:00
Sawyer is Schaivo
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:44:20 -05:00
One of your best recaps. I have to say that your wit, like Obi-Locke, was firing on all cylinders for this one.
I'm sad to see Eko go, he was, without a doubt, one of my top 3 fave characters on the show.
I'd like to point out that the creators of the show said at the end of season 2 that this season would see the return of "Smokey", but they also said that we had seen the smoke monster in season 2, but hadn't realized it. I think it is now clear that all the freaky sightings on the island were Smokey. Going all the way back to season one, when Jack saw his father traipsing through the jungle, to the black horse, to (maybe) Walt in the jungle speaking backwards. OK, maybe not Walt, but then you have Hurley seeing his old (imaginary) friend Dave. I also have another theory about Smokey, he (it) DOESN'T read minds. Smokey accesses peoples past through the same method that the island has access to all events in time. The theory that I posted previously that could explain how Desmond can see the future is relelvant to understanding Smokey. Smokey is in tune with the Island and can access anyone's life at random. It came across Eko and accessed his past on the spot. We assumed it was reading his mind because it was flashing images from Eko's past, but that doesn't mean memories. Of course I could be wrong.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:47:04 -05:00
Bernard's wife wasn't a tailie. She was one of the "original" survivors, saving hope that her husband who wasn't among the season one crash scene was still alive. They were reunited at the beginning of season two.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:47:07 -05:00
You said another title should be "Eko's Very Bad Day." How about "Eko's Very Last Day?"
"With Colleen cooking in the background" is too funny - good one.
Personally, I thought Obi-Locke said, "Don't mistake coincidence for Kate." ;>)
I would not trust Benry - he's the type who will borrow your pot, then cook your goose.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:47:18 -05:00
The producers had said in the past on their podcast that we have seen more of the smoke monster than we thought. I believe this epsiode proves that when we saw: Wet Walt, Jack's dad on the island, White Horse, etc...we we're actually seeing the smoke monster. Why? I have no clue.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:47:38 -05:00
Looks like we're on the same wave length Brotha'
we must have been typing at the same time LOL.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:51:43 -05:00
Am I the only person that wants to know what's showing on the other 4 TV's. 1)the "late" hatch and 2) the patch...come on..give me more..
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:54:20 -05:00
Ok, so we're led to believe that Juliet:
1. Got a bunch of poster stock
2. And some markers
3. Made up a bunch of signs
4. Borrowed a Dharma video camera
5. Shot her video (straight to VHS)
And all without ANYone knowing? In an environment where cameras abound and it seems nobody can blink without someone else knowing it? This is why I distrust her, the "little details" do not add up here. And let's not forget the time Benry commented to her, "Nice work" regarding Jack. This is a setup.
I think one of two things will happen.
1. Jack will operate and "fail to save" Ben (he'll really try though, that is Jack) and then Juliet can go "Bwa-ha-ha, you fell for it" -or-
2. Jack will operate, and SAVE Ben (to everyones surprise) but Juliet will still intervene (somehow), negating his efforts. Same "Bwa-ha-ha" effect.
Juliet is eee-vil with a capital E.
Don't doubt it for a second.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:55:18 -05:00
1. Interesting how Locke claims to have seen a "bright light" in his first encounter when the monster, yet in "Man of Science, Man of Faith" (second-season premiere) he told Kate that a "column of black smoke" had tried to drag him into a hole. How does our new info about Smokey jive with Rousseau's earlier labeling of it as a "security system"?
2. Just so you know, it's not an accountant's calculator that supplies the smoke monster's noise. It's a weirdly-engineered version of the noise that taxi receipt machines make. Thought you'd like to know that. =) Unfortunately I have no idea where its battle cry came from.
3. Eko wanted to leave the show and the DUI charges against him were dropped, so that couldn't have been the reason he's gone. I say it was the Island Sex Curse; he must have gotten funky with Cindy or something prior to her sudden disappearance. =) Of course, Sawyer and Sayid have yet to be stricken by that curse; I guess they're waiting for those two to hook up with others and THEN kill them off so we can have a Lonely Castaway Grieving Over His/Her Secret Island Lover's Corpse Scene, which seems standard for regular character deaths. Which means, judging from the trailer, that Kate will soon share the curse as well. Darn it, are there going to be ANY main characters left by the end besides Walt?
4. Smokey killed the pilot to prevent him from reading its thoughts, or else there would have been no mystery =). Oops, wrong show.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:00:25 -05:00
5. I think another instance of us seeing Smokey without realizing it, is the "Hurley bird". In "Exodus Part 2", the first-season finale, we see the Hurley Eagle flying around, a few minutes after which Smokey shows up and starts dragging Locke off to its underground chimney. If you listen, you can hear the Hurley bird calling again, when Kate starts yelling after Jack. I doubt that's a coincidence. =)
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:01:07 -05:00
I think Juliet wrote on one of the boards "some of us want a change". That would imply that she is not in it alone, and that there are others in her group that would help her make the video and keep it secret.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:04:05 -05:00
Great Update Mac as usual.
After watching last nights episode I was left with a real empty feeling. After the opening scene of "Otherville" this season has been very slow moving, building steam towards something big. I'm just hoping not to be let down next week.
Sad to see Eko gone, he will be missed. Bernard better watch every step he makes now.
Juliette is so playing Jack, it's not even funny. She is completely ruthless (i.e. what Sawyer told Kate "She would shoot you in a second), I think the big shocker next week will be in Ben's death, just a thought, and Juliette taking power and being even more ruthless.
One last point: Dose anyone remember when we were first introduced to the Tallies and Mr. Eko and Jin were searching for Michael through the forest. They had to hide from a band of "Others" that were barefoot and one was even dragging a teddy bear tied to a rope. Something tells me this is another party not yet heard from. (The one's that kidnapped the children & maybe even the flight attendant), would be interesting to have them show up at the end of next weeks episode.
Ok that's it for now
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:04:10 -05:00
I agree that Juliet might be one of the 'bad' others. She wasn't asked to tell Jack about the tumor. She did that on her own, so she's definitely making decisions behind Ben's back.
And the part with the cue-cards was just too weird. Juliet seemed evil the day she held the gun to Kate. My first impression that it's just wrong for her to want to kill Ben. If she's good, there has to be a way around killing him, no matter what the problem is. I can't believe that everyone wants him dead -- just her. This is awfully sneaky of her and shows more insight into her personality, or maybe this is just another test to see how Jack will respond. Who will he side with? Why put all this burden on Jack? He's a doctor and it's unethical for him to purposely hurt someone on the operating table.
I will miss Eko! I taped Regis & Kelly this morning, so we'll see what he has to say (if anything at all).
How did they know what Sarah looked like and how did they just happen to have someone like Juliet (who looks like Sarah) there on the island? I mean come on! How much access do they have to everyone's personal information back home. I mean there is no website that posts pics of ex-wives, so Ben has connections with someone back home who tracked Sarah down.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:04:47 -05:00
Juliet was doing her best Bob Dylan Imitation with those cue cards, She should do a new version of "Subteranian Homesick Blues based on the Island.
You know "Jacks in the basement mixin up the medacine, Kates in a bear cage thinking bout the government"
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:05:39 -05:00
Here's what Jack should do. Slip during the procedure with Benry, then silently kill Juliet, Hitman style, before they leave the OR (assuming she will be helping with her medical know-how). Jack should then go outside and kill the Dharma drones that will be guarding the door and take their weapons. Then he should shoot, shoot and shoot some more and when all the Dharma drones and Pickett are dead, he can spring Sawyer and Kate from the bear cages. They can then escape to the other island, pick up those left there and take a compass heading of 342 until they find rescue just like Michael and Walt. Anyone sees a flaw in my plan just let me know.
PS Mac you wiffed on that curve kinda like Coco Crisp. Missing Damon yet?
NYY > BOS
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:07:55 -05:00
@JAC -- Don't make me ban you ;) -- mac
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:08:43 -05:00
Hey there- Fabulous recap as always....
Quick question: any thoughts on the music they played during Colleen's funeral? Odd choice...
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:10:10 -05:00
WGNAE! Yeah, I'm on board with that! Just goes to prove that only the good die young. I will say this though: If Eko had to die, that was the way for him to go!
The whole "Are you a bad man?" thing kept bringing to mind another movie quote: "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" I expected to see it on here, mac, in keeping with all the Wizard of Oz citations.
BTW, Great job recapping the Juliette movie scene! Right after watching it, my first thought was: How is Mac gonna transcript that in blog form? :) You don't disappoint, man!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:13:41 -05:00
Great review Mac.
Ok here are my thoughts.
First, it was an escalator.
Second, The first card that was held up said "Ignore everything I'm saying." Ok, do we ignore everything your actually saying (in the room) or everything you're saying on the cards? This could go two completely different ways.
Third, Mr. Grimm, I think you are dead on again. The smoke monster can read people's past. My only question is, didn't the smoke monster visit Eko at one time in S2 and Eko somehow made it go away? (I think it was when he was walking with Charlie back to the plane crash site - beginning of S2). Why didn't the smokemonster go all King Kong on him then? Why now?
I personally think the smokemonster can take any form it wants. If that's the case, things are going to get real interesting going forward. I think the smokemonster has taken the forms of Jack's Dad, Kate's horse, Yemi and Walt. But how could it take the form of Walt? He's still alive, at least as far as we know. My best guess is that Walt has "special" powers that the smokemonster could access and pull through the space / time continuum even though Walt was still alive? But who knows.
Again, excellent recap, Mac. Much appreciated.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:13:52 -05:00
@Trinity: To be honest, I absolutely HATE "The Wizard of Oz," so don't be surprised if I completely miss those references. There's just something about that movie that rubs me the wrong way. -- mac
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:17:22 -05:00
I'm with Mac on the Wizard of Oz, that movie always freaked me out - especially the flying monkey scene, gave me the heeby jeebies as a kid.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:18:32 -05:00
>Mac said:...as the group scampers away, Locke helps Eko shift rocks away from the Beechcraft wreckage.
Was anybody else struck by the parallels with Christian symbolism of a tomb blocked by a rock that had to be rolled away, and when entered the tomb is empty?
Further questions: If Yemi this time was Smoky, could Yemi's previous appearance as a body have been Smoky, too? Maybe event the whole plane? (We've never gotten an explanation how a plane of limited range got from Africa to the South Pacific.)
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:18:48 -05:00
i read that mr eko didnt want to be on lost for an extended time and it was understood by the producers that his character wouldnt be long term.
first time poster long time reader. love you mac, you are the very very best!
definitely agree nikki&paulo are annoying, although paulo is definitely nice to look at. :)
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:19:51 -05:00
mac you are the man no matter what team you root for brother.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:21:56 -05:00
the word "brother" is so trendy this season
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:23:29 -05:00
Mac, awesome recap - look forward to each as much as the actual episodes.
You questioned why Locke would think that reaching out to the Others would make a difference because Locke doesn't have any leverage or anything to trade. Perhaps he remembered what Benry had told him in the hatch - that he had come to bring back Locke.. in that case, Locke would be the trade.. (although we know this was a lie since he was excluded from the list the others gave Michael.)
Juliet points out the obvious - Benry is a liar (in next week's preview for the winter season we may actually see his pants on fire?)
Has anyone yet compiled a list of Benry's lies (either clearly known to be lies or that can be disproven by events)? If so, I haven't come across it in these posts.
I'll start with a handful of the most obvious:
1) The Henry Gale cover story
2) That he had come for Locke
3) That he didn't press the button
4) That he can leave the island (if so why would he put his life in the hands of someone with every reason to kill him and not even have a working defrib. )
Gotta hope that Jack is bright enuff to realize that last one..
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:24:00 -05:00
@ cecil rose
oh i totally caught that (the Christian symbolism that is). It was the first think i though of when i saw his brothers body was gone. Although Yemi definitely didn't turn out to be Jesus-like.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:24:29 -05:00
@JAC -- Flattery will get you very far! -- mac
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:27:15 -05:00
I don't get it...? They show us how deadly Ecko can be and then they kill him off. I wanted to see this guy kick some "other" ass ! Ecko was the most interesting person on the show along with Jack and Locke. Very distraught to see his exit !
The whole "Others" thing is becoming very tiresome. The mystery of why they are there and what they are doing is becoming less and less interesting.
Why is everyone having hallucinations ? It's cool and all, but i think i can recall that we confirmed that the writers said there is nothing supernatural going on. But then, what does that say for Ecko's executioner ? Regardless of that, the scenes of Ecko getting worked by Smokey were awesome ! You people that are nitpicking the cgi polar bears etc are doing just that - nit picking. When Smokey was first revealed I was so sure i would be dissapointed with whatever it was, but i must confess i am VERY impressed with it up to this point.
Can anyone name a better show or even one that has been on par with LOST ? (action drama)
The new chick is hotter than Kate !
"we're gonna need a bigger boat "
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:28:16 -05:00
Ugh. This episode bummed me out again, and not with the storyline, but with where the show is going or whether it actually is going anywhere.
I agree with Marty. Killing off Eko, leaving only Bernard of the Tailies, leads me to believe that the entire Tailie thing was just filler. Off the top of my head, I can't really think of any significant story points that were advanced by introducing the Tailie characters. Nothing that couldn't have been accomplished using existing characters, which is to say they were just cardboard cutouts that were moved around the board for a while and then disposed of.
Sigh. I go back and forth with this show. I think there seems to be one storyline in there somewhere, and tons of filler and red herrings surrounding and hiding it from view. The way they have summarily killed off all the Tailie characters has left me again feeling like a chump for (to borrow a phrase from Ben) investing myself in those characters in the belief that their storylines would go somewhere.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:30:24 -05:00
What would Jack Bauer do on this island?
Good point by tazznutt, I thought the same thing about the TV's. You got one working why not try the other tv's maybe you will get HBO or ESPN. Worth trying, heck Sayid is a genius maybe he can get the al jezeera network.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:31:42 -05:00
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:34:27 -05:00
Interesting point. But if I was trying to get what I wanted, I'd say the same thing. What's worse is, you KNOW they are going to cliffhanger us SO bad...
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:34:50 -05:00
In Juliet's video, is the camera on a tripod or is it handheld by someone else? (Sorry - don't have tivo and didn't notice at the time...)
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:35:42 -05:00
I just remembered something else from the interior of the Beechcraft and I wasnted to see if anyone else noticed it, too.
When Eko looks inside for Yemi's body and sees it's gone, there's one of those plaster statues sitting inside (broken in half but otherwise in tact). Wouldn't plaster have melted away while the plane was burning, kinda like all the other ones did? Did the same person/entity who took Yemi's charred body perhaps place a statue where it lay? Oh, the intrigue! My head's gonna explode!
I wonder, too, if Juliette is telling the truth. I have a feeling Jack's hippocratic oath will rear its ugly head during the surgery. At most, he would prevent Ben from ever walking again but I don't believe he'll "accidentally" kill him. That just wouldn't be a smart thing to do, given the state of things in the Other hierarchy.
I'm sorry you don't enjoy visiting Ozland, mac. Is it the scary witch? The damaging tornado? The fact that Dorothy was wearing red shoes with a blue gingham dress?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:39:05 -05:00
It occurred to me and my husband during the scene with the video tape/cue cards that maybe Juliet is the bad one and she's f-ing with Jack's head. We don't know that Ben is the bad guy and Juliet is on the "good side." It could all be a huge mind game. We just don't really know yet.
I wonder if there could be another set of "Others." It would explain a lot of things. Like where the hell are those kids?
And I can't WAIT to find out who "Patch" is. Great reference to Days of Our Lives, Mac! (Steve Johnson).
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:39:41 -05:00
They are all DEAD!
"L'alba vinceva l'ora mattutina
che fuggia innanzi, si che di lontano
conobbi il tremnolar de la marina.
Noi andavam per lo solingo piano
com' om che torna a la perduta strada,
che 'nfino ad essa li pare ire in vano.
Quando noi fummo la 've la rugiada
pugna col sole, per essere in parte
dove, ad orezza, poco si dirada,
ambo le mani in su l'erbertta sparte
soavemente 'l mio maestro pose:
and' io, che fui accorto di sua arte,
porsi ver' lui le guance lagrimose;
ivi mi fece tutto discoverto
quel color che l'inferno mi nascosse.
Venimmo poi in sul lito diserto,
che mai non vide navicar sue acque
omo, che di tornar sia poscia esperto.
Quivi mi cinse si com' altrui piacque:
oh maraviglia! che qual elli scelse
l'umile pianta, cotal si rinacque
subitamente la onde l'avelse."
- Purgatorio, Canto I, Lines 115 - 136
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:40:05 -05:00
re the Tallies as filler - Aren't we still waiting for the whole Libby in the loony bin story?
The music in the funeral was another 60s song, made me think of the timewarp theory.
Still not clear what Benry was doing when he got caught in the net. If he was on his way to ask for help, why didn't he?
To be honest, I don't know who to believe, Benry or Juliet or neither. They could still be working together.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:40:30 -05:00
Wsnt' the music that was playing at Colleen's funeral the same music that the losties heard when Sahid rigged up the Radio? and the plume of black smoke that the losties saw, could that have been the other's having other funerals?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:40:30 -05:00
Hey Mr. Grimm, finally I encounter someone else who doesn't like the Wizard of Oz! I've never understood why people think that movie is warm and fuzzy. The evil mean apple tree in particular gave me the willies when I was a kid. And also when the flying monkies rip the scarecrow from limb to limb! How creepy and sick is that?!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:44:32 -05:00
Why does Juliet need to kill Benry if he is already dying from the tumor?(Jack says in the preview that it will be inoperable in a week) Can't they just wait?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:45:15 -05:00
Jack asks Ben if his neck hurts, yet the tumor we previously saw was of the lumbar (lower back) spine not the neck. Minor writing inconsistency
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:47:35 -05:00
I figured the "funeral music" was just one of her favorite songs. You know, the old "play this to remember me" bit?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:47:55 -05:00
Sorry if this has been said already, I couldn't wait to get thru all the posts. I don't understand something. WHen Paolo said that the monitors are probably for monitoring other hatches, Locke acted surprised by this, but didn't they already know this?? When they first went to the Pearl, Locke saw the monitor showing Jack in the original hatch. So they must have known this bit of information, why did they act so surprised?
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:48:17 -05:00
Killing Mr. Eko. That's F'ed up BIG TIME!!! I mean why did they even have the Tailies come on the show? I don't think Locke needs to worry about being next. But if I were Bernard I'd be sleeping with one eye open!!! I'm just about done with this show!!!! They had better come to the table with something great in the spring or I am going to "get lost!"
Thank you for letting me vent.
Love the reviews MAC!!!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:48:44 -05:00
Killing Mr. Eko. That's F'ed up BIG TIME!!! I mean why did they even have the Tailies come on the show? I don't think Locke needs to worry about being next. But if I were Bernard I'd be sleeping with one eye open!!! I'm just about done with this show!!!! They had better come to the table with something great in the spring or I am going to "get lost!"
Thank you for letting me vent.
Love the reviews MAC!!!
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:50:02 -05:00
A tumor of that size on the spine would affect multiple parts of your body.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:52:41 -05:00
Here's what I don't get.
1) Benry has a terminally fatal tumor. If Juliet really wants him dead, why involve Jack at all? Just let Benry eventually die from the tumor. It's got to be a mind-game trick on Jack to see if he will be LOYAL whether it's to Juliet, Benry, or his profession.
2) Good vs. Evil / White (light) vs. Black (smoke) / Locke vs. Eko / believe in God vs. don't believe? These themes are too coincidental not to be intertwined.
3) Resurrection of Christ? When they rolled the boulder away from the plane entrance and the body of Yemi was gone, my husband and I both looked at each other and went "Jesus!"
As a matter of fact, there were a lot of scenes that made me wonder about the "Do you believe in God" statement that Benry made to Jack.
Enough for now... oh, Mac - your review was top notch and I LOL too much (I'm at work... shhhh)
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:53:58 -05:00
I was thinking the same thing. The only thing I can think of is that if it doesn't seem like everyone WANTS Ben to live and tries everything to save him, it could lead to an even larger civil unrest among the "Others". Those who support Ben would outright revolt against the Juliette and the Wailers for idling by while their leader wasted away.
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:58:07 -05:00
Also, who's to say what Ben may or may not do as he grows more desperate? A man with no time to live has nothing to lose, right?