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Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:53:39 -05:00
So psyched to read it!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:01:02 -05:00
Kinda weak ending for the show before 13 weeks.
Who is Jacob???
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:02:18 -05:00
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:07:23 -05:00
"WHOA! Bear cage sex! And of course all this happens while the cage is wide open and Ben is watching via his porno cam."
ROFLMAO, nice one mac.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:07:53 -05:00
Good recap, but the pregnancy test Kate took clearly said that she wasn't pregnant.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:10:49 -05:00
I just found your blog. Excellent summary and commentating. Keep it up!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:16:04 -05:00
@Carly: You're right about the pregnancy thing! The correction has been made. Thanks for the catch! -- mac
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:23:34 -05:00
First, great job yet again MAC!
1) I think that Jacob is a new character - some high-ranking Dharma/island-cult member. It is a good theory that it is the person from the Lost Experience. To be honest, I never got involved with that thinking that it was kind of like the extended universe in Star Wars -- I just stick to the 6-movie canon.
2) I thought that Kate was pregnant too. I'll have to go back and confirm.
3) Even if Jack knew that they were on the same island, it is still a terrible plan. He knows that he is going to need help to actually get off the island and return home, so it was a bit disappointing.
4) I was expecting a big season-ending-type "finale", but was let down. I was thinking that we were going to get something like we had at the end of season one with Zeke taking Walt. So, this is just another Lost episode to me with some cliffhanger, but nothing big. Anyway, I'm all ready for 2/7 and the 16 straight weeks with "No Repeats... Not One".
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:23:57 -05:00
RE: pregnancy test -
I took her saying 'I almost had a baby' as meaning that they had been trying, so she was on that path, and sort of snapped herself out of it. Like, 'OMG! I almost did that!'
Figured she had the test to make sure she wasn't preggers before she left the darling new hubby, and that she was disappointed when fate didn't give her the out that she desperately wanted to stop running. A baby would have (maybe for her) meant that she didn't have to choose whether to keep running or not - that she HAD to stay. Not being pregnant meant that she had to choose...and her nature meant that she had to choose to keep running.
Just my .02 about what might turn out to be a completely unimportant part of the plot. :)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:25:42 -05:00
too much build up and too long a break to leave us hanging like that. i hope daybreak tanks and they bring it back early. that show looks like its going to suck anyway. groundhog day anyone? tae diggs is no bill murry.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:28:05 -05:00
I was hoping to be first....almost, but no cigar. Once again, brilliant review Mac! My only observation that I want to add is when Kate and Sun were using the pregnancy test Kate jokingly said, "Who brings a pregnancy kit on an aireplane?" I think we now know the answer is Kate.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:28:18 -05:00
"...But, now that I think about it, maybe Kate's dalliance with Sawyer was part of the plan. She got out of her cage with absolute ease ... and she and Sawyer were left to their own devices for a very long time. Hmm ... "
Have to agree with you on that one, Mac. I absolutely thought it was a setup. I think maybe the voice telling Jack to check the door was Juliet's, and that she knew Jack would see Kate & Sawyer in post-coidal snuggle mode, and that would flip the Jack-switch to operate.
Also, maybe this is reading too much into it, but I was sorta struck by the way Kate left the necklace in hubby's unconscious hand and how simialar it was to the way Sun's necklace was dangling from Swan Dive guy's hand.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:29:57 -05:00
Damn, misspelled simialr...simmu...alike.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:30:20 -05:00
Good one again Mac.
If I saw correctly, I think Kate's pregnancy test said "not pregnant" though. I think this upset her because she was going to use her pregnancy excuse not to fly (to Costa Rica) instead of Kevin hubby finding out that she has no passport (at least as Monica). Now she has to fly the coop.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:30:45 -05:00
Was I the only one hoping Sawyer would throw his shoe and hit the button as they went at it so we'd have the music going in the background. REWARD REWARD a little mood music if you will.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:33:02 -05:00
Good Q about where the
Dharma subdivision is located. If you were brilliant (& crazy) scientists messing with nature, would you do it in your own backyard? Would you live on an island where you created Smokey and Dharma brand animals (come see the Anna Lucia Polar Bear, more fur than AL but just as angry)
I have to think there is a Dharma commuter rail...perhaps the Dharma chunnel.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:36:09 -05:00
Phoebe, Rachel, and, now, Monica. Was Kate a Friends fanatic?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:36:33 -05:00
I'm pretty sure Kate's pregnancy test showed the negative symbol. Then she tells Kevin "I almost had a baby". Am I wrong? I thought she was crying b/c she'd let her guard down to the point of having a pregnancy scare when she should have been more careful. Are we to think she had a positive test and then aborted the baby? I'm confused
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:38:03 -05:00
sorry-guess I should refresh my browser before posting. I see now that this has been addressed
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:38:08 -05:00
Hey Mac, good review. First off, Kate realized that she'd have to get a passport to go to Costa Rica, which she wouldn't be able to do under an assumed name, not to metion, she is wanted by the law. Also, Kate's pregnancy test revealed that she was NOT pregnant, just a close call. That's all. Thanks.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:41:01 -05:00
Looks like it's time for a new abbreviation: TTWN
The Test Was Negative ;)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:43:28 -05:00
Has Jack figured out that if the others had the ability to get off the island then Henry would have left for medical treatment or had DHARMA drop in a doctor with the scheduled grocery delivery.
I can not wait to see see the Bald headed bear again. shades of the Great Outdoors.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:46:35 -05:00
Mac, excellent as always!
Yes, I thought Kate's pregnancy test said "not pregnant" and then in her dialogue afterwards she said, "I almost had a child."
I also agree with your comments re: 6th episode of a 23-episode season. I would suggest people not try to buy the hype, which is all about advertising and ratings. I've already read comments like "not a very good Fall Finale" ... The commercials build it up to be something it isn't. I became a LOST fan by watching the DVDs. I have never watched LOST "live", week-to-week. This is my first time. If I had Season Three on DVD, I would be very excited to put in the next disc and see what happens ... knowing that I had twenty-or-so episodes to go to the end.
So ... what I'm saying is that, for episode six, before the big hiatus, last night's show was just right.
Also, I feel last night's show FINALLY got the mojo of the series back on track. I was a little worried during 1 through 5 ... the story was taking its time and the writers didn't seem to be doing a good job of juggling all the story lines (the beach?? Desmond??? the Arctic base???)
I was on the edge of my seat last night and rooting for Jack all the way.
Then I thought about it: Oops, he's done all this to save Kate but he doesn't know they're on a different island. Damn!!
Well ... last night was just awesome.
But who's Jacob? Oh my, do you think the Beach group has an OTHER amongst them????
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:47:19 -05:00
I was disappinted with the lack of a "wow" cliffhanger. Yet, Mac is right that it is really the middle of the season. Can't wait until February.
I have a few things on my mind:
Most importantly, who is Jacob? When they said they took Alex "home" did they mean to the other island? Wasn't Kate concerned that they were being watched during their little tryst? Why did Kate even bother getting married if she knew it wouldn't last, I mean a cop?? Let's get serious.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:48:06 -05:00
We see in the previews for the next episode that Sawyer and Kate are running, so at least we know they make it out of the bear cage scene alive.
What's the connection between Ben and Alex? Could Ben actually be one of Rousseau's scientist partners? Could that explain why he doesn't seem like he's "one of them," but "with them (the Others)?" Could that also explain why he was caught in Rousseau's net? ie. she was helping him, she knows him, and he is protecting her daughter when she knows that she can't... Hmm, interesting development there.
I was disappointed that Desmond had little to no role in this episode. Two episodes ago, they showed us that Desmond has a power. We haven't seen anything since.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:48:42 -05:00
Do we yet know how & why Kate got to Australia in order to even be on the flight back to LA? That's the only piece of her backstory I can't place.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:50:17 -05:00
>Or maybe Pickett's question was a fleeting piece of dialogue that means absolutely nothing.
If Lost has taught us anything, it's that NOTHING is by accident, EVERYTHING is significant.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:51:04 -05:00
that was adressed in tabula rasa 3rd or 4th episode of S1 a ranch farmer she was working 4 ratted her out for a $20,000 reward.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:51:34 -05:00
How are they able to get information from the outside world but not a doctor? i am sure that will get ansered eventually but just a note. I thought Jack's plan was awesome. But that might have been b/c I had spent the previous 10 minutes going what is he doing - why is he operating on him! Jack has resurfaced as my favorite character! He has some power where Sawyer and Kate have none. Plus they can come back and get him. Really he didn't have too many options in that situation. I acutally thought it was a great episode starting from my new favoite line "well you wont be disappointed for long!"
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:52:00 -05:00
One thing I don't get: Why is Pickett so mad at Sawyer for Colleen's death? It seems unreasonable. But then I suppose he's not in a real reasonable mind set, what with his honey dead.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:52:38 -05:00
Oh, and re: Jacob. It's that Ben guy. He screwed all of this up by being selfish. He captured Shepard to save his own butt. The "Others," and Jacob in particular, aren't very happy about that, I'm sure. What does this mean for Ben, and his "followers?" Don't know. I think we're going to see a massive split amongst the "Others" once the season picks back up in February.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:55:05 -05:00
I am still not entirely convinced that they are on a different island.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:55:46 -05:00
First, let me begin by saying, "Captain Tightpants we missed ye and Serenity!" Love Nathan Fillion and glad to see him on LOST!
I post the rest of this before I've even read Mac's recap...
What exactly did Ben promise Jack? If he promised him off the island - does he mean the island they are on now? He'll take him off the island and just put him on the original island?
Now that Sawyer and Kate did the nasty - does this mean Kate is going to die? Or will it be Sawyer (since he had sex twice with Ana Lucia and Kate - it'd be like a double negative).
I guess the island comes with a Dharma no-heat waxing kit because Kate's armpits were looking mighty smooth. Maybe they can find a Dharma razor for Sawyer...
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:58:50 -05:00
Do you like chocloate milk?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:59:22 -05:00
laughed out loud at "Bear cage sex".
A thought: Did anyone else notice how one of the flashbacks last night had Kate walking down the aisle toward the man she "loved" with a veil covering her face...and then SWOOSH to present...Kate's walking down the Dharma corridor towards the man she "loves" with the hoodie covering her face. Metafor?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:02:40 -05:00
Great recap Mac. Lots of great lines, you are DA MAN.
I completely agree about Jack seeing Kate and Sawyer being a set-up. They knew that that would push him over the edge, but here's the thing: they didn't count on Jack figuring out it was a setup, he only played along so that he could get Ben on the slab and put himself in a position to help Kate and Sawyer.
"And now for an update on the 1st Annual "Island Hook-Up Championship" The score is Sawyer 2, Jack 0, Hurley was in the running but is now permanently stuck in 3rd. In other news the judges have ruled Jin disqualified, sleeping with your wife is not considered a "hook-up".
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:03:38 -05:00
Another one of Juliette's lies exposed: Jack asks (in front of Ben) if the operating room is in order and they have all working equipment...to which she repsonds "yes" but we all know that the defib isn't working....why doesn't Ben catch on to this? He was watching when Colleen died, wasn't he?
Someone asked why Pickett has it out for Sawyer when it was Sun that shot Colleen? I think it's just an "eye for an eye" plan...the survivors took the one he loves, so, seeing that Kate "loves" Sawyer (which I don't really buy either...I think the bear cage nookie is somehow part of the Jack plan...or has something to do with what Kate was told between her beach scene with Ben and winding up in the cage...I also found that her "I can't leave without you" line to Jack was more heartfelt then he bear skin/bare skin lovin with Sawyer...), Pickett's only option is to take away the love interest of one of the survivors to avenge Colleen's death...
BTW...Who is Alex's boyfriend? Was it Carl?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:04:03 -05:00
Dont forget about Sayid 1
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:05:43 -05:00
Not too hard for the others to take Sawyer to the end of the original Island and point to an Island in the distance and tell him he used to be on that Island. He just assumes they are not lying to him. The others have been so truthful so far.
The three amigos were drugged while in transit to there new quarters so he has no idea what happened while he was out
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:06:14 -05:00
Absolutely the single worse episode of LOST ever. Actually it was 40 minutes of ads (especially for that Groundhog Day wannabe-Daybreak) and 20 minutes of actual show. What was the point of the Kate flashback? What clues did it provide? You could have skipped all but the last 5 minutes and still have come away with the important information. The whole Kate/Sawyer "wild monkey sex" thing? Please! I guess they are not camara shy. What's next Dharma porn? Sorry, but I will stick to reading Mac's summaries. They are much more informative and do not have any commercial breaks!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:06:43 -05:00
1) I totally agree with mac and ransomjackson that the Kate - Sawyer love-fest was carefully orchestrated for Jack's benefit. Explains why so much effort was taken to show Jack's obsession with his ex over the divorce - so we'd buy into how he would react to that.
2) I believe that "Jacob" is the eyepatch hatch guy.. Since every season opener starts out showing someone's eye, I suspect there could be a tie-in to the one-eyed bandit. Perhaps "LOST" even refers to the missing eyeball? Who knows? Instead of an eyeball to kick off the Winter Season opener, we may be treated to a patch, or even a socket..
3) Is it just me, or have the producers "LOST" their way with some of the backstories? Except for being treated to my Firefly Pal Captain Mal, how much did Kate's backstory really matter either to us - or to the storyline? With the exception of the Eko backstory last week, and Desmond's last season, I'm really starting to miss what used to be one of the most compelling aspects of LOST - the way each character backstory was woven into the plot of each episode (My personal favorite is the Hurley-centric "Numbers")
4) Great recap mac! Much appreciated as always
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:07:23 -05:00
Yes - Thanks - I completely forgot about Sayid.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:11:26 -05:00
Jack is THE MAN !! Too bad he doesn't know they are on another island. But he still holds all the cards. He can probably keep Benry on the operating table for quite some time I figure. Stitch him up , recut him. What are they gonna do about it ? Jack kicks ass! His acting is on par with Mel Gibson.
Who is Jacob ? Is this the "Great Man" Benry mentioned when held captive by the Losties ? Kate just continues to make bad decisions. The 20 seconds of "Dancing with the Stars" I had to endure was excruciating ! I will NOT watch Daybreak or whatever it's called with Taye Diggs. Even though he was great in "Malibu's Most Wanted"
"we're gonna need a bigger boat"
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:12:37 -05:00
Do we know if Ben was part of Rousseau's group that landed on the island? Was Rousseau preggers before or after landing on the island? Is Ben Alex's biological dad?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:13:15 -05:00
Perhaps Kate cashed in the two tickets to Costa Rica for a ticket to Australia?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:15:51 -05:00
I too am disappointed in the "cliffhanger". Two weeks ago, the previews promised (in big bold announcer speak) "THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WILL CHANGE *EVERYTHING*".
Well, the last two weeks picked up the pace a little, but I think that the last two minutes of S2 or the first 3 minutes of S3 were more along the lines of "Changing Everything". They're still just trying to get away from the Others, that's not different at all.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:16:18 -05:00
Did anyone notice what, if anything, happened to the pistol Jack took?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:17:04 -05:00
As a woman who's had children, the two week comment jumped out at me all the more in the episode... Now us girls out there, we all know about the 2 week wait, between trying to conceive and waiting to find out... With this, I raise a possibility.
Did the "two weeks of hell" comment by Ben mean more than just smashing and hauling rocks. Was it done so that Sawyer and Kate would be alone, and eventually consumate their 'feelings' for one another, as she's donned in a pretty little sun dress? Juliet is a self-proclaimed fertility doctor, the Others have a thing for taking children, Claire was one of their obsessions when she was pregnant. Is Kate being set up to have sex and procreate?
I'll admit that I don't know how this fits into the conversation Juliet had with Pickett, and how the 'two weeks' time frame had changed. And maybe none of this makes any sense at all, but hey - I thought I'd throw it out there. Especially in light of them showing Kate taking a pregnancy test in the past. It all seemed to fit together in a neat little package, delicately tied with a pretty Dharma bow.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:17:21 -05:00
Everyone keeps commenting on the fact that Kate's backstory last night didn't reveal anything new about her character or it wasn't relevant to the events of last night's episode.
I couldn't disagree more.
C'mon folks. I've seen posts on this blog dissect the tiniest of details but no-one has bothered to acknowledge the point that last night's island events and Kate's backstory showed someone who had come full circle, or had at the least changed her nature.
In her flashback she had found a man to love, gotten married and wanted to settle down. But her past was going to catch up with her. She did what she always did and ran.
In last night's island events she decides that she's had anough of running, whether it be Jack or Sawyer, she's decided that she has found something that she will not run from, at least not alone. She is done with fleeing and being afraid to form a lasting attachment.
Now this might be due to the fact that both Jack and Sawyer now about her past and therefore there is nothing for her to hide from them, but the fact that she doesn't fall back to her old habit of running away and looking out for Numero Uno is a huge character shift. Kate hasn't (to the best of my recollection) ever displayed one iota of self-sacrifice.
I could be worng - but that was the duality I saw in last night's episode.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:18:51 -05:00
Great recap Mac! I think you are right when you said that Alex may help in the escape...but not with a Dharma Sea-Doo!LOL
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:20:58 -05:00
Maybe Jacob is the Man in the Yellow Patch? Some all seeing Other overlord or something. Oh yeah..I mean black patch.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:21:28 -05:00
GAFRAM! YATKOALER! TTWN!
(for the record once more...Great and funny review again Mac! You are the king of all lost episode reviewers!) Love TTWN...I was one of the schlepps who would've swore it was positive.
I'm bothered by the fact that Jack did not directly address Julievilet's private message at some point this week. But maybe the whole point was to let J know that he doesn't trust her anymore that he trusts Benry, and isn't going to help her either.
Kate should've quickly shouted to Jack in the walkie that they're not on the real island. Would've made him shut up his shouting of RUN! and made him use his leverage more effectively to get them off the island(s).
So where did Jack go after agreeing to do the surgery in the morning? Did he give Benry the gun and saunter back to his fish tank? Why didn't Benry seem surprised that Jack got out? Sounds like it really was a setup, though they made it sound like Alex in the intercom, not Julievilet.
I'm really tired of this split time between Other-Land and the beachcombers. I'm hoping part II of this season gets the focus back to the main group on the island so we can see more regular cast members in action at once.
Thanks for the summary of the story Jack wants Kate to tell him 'once she's safe'. Of course I couldn't remember it, but knew I could count on you!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:21:29 -05:00
If you think about it, the cliffhanger was a moment of pure, mind-bending irony: after spending her life on the run and refusing to settle down even for a husband, Kate finally manages to latch herself onto Sawyer and stay grounded...only to be told, almost immediately, by JACK of all people, to start running again! Hail to the Lost creators for that bit of almost Shakespearean story twist.
And I couldn't help but laughing at the "Day Break" promos they posted during the commercial breaks..."Every question will have an answer!!!" "At the end, the mystery will be solved!!!" All the subtlety of a nuclear bomb...they should have just come out with it and said "Bleh, we're not like that "Lost" show!!"
I don't know what I'm gonna do for 3 months. Mac, I don't suppose you'd be willing to write a new "Key Points" for every 30-second "Lost Nugget" they trot out over the break, would ya? =)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:24:04 -05:00
My first thought was kate panicked because she could not get a passport for Costa Rico but she ending up finding a way to get out of the country and enter Australia. She was pretty adept at running and assuming new identities.
My problem is the call to the guy chasing you. It appeared like this was a regular occurance like "Catch me if you can"
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:28:27 -05:00
I appreciate the laid back long-view thing, Mac, but you're giving them too much slack. If it is going to be flogged by the marketing dept. like the finale to a short season, it needs to deliver like one. Rationalization is a poor substitute for realization.
Not only did this episode fail to deliver a serious punch, it fell back on some seriously lame TV cliches. Sawyer and Kate making the beast with two backs was the worst. Can any grown adult females in the room seriously contend that they'd have been in the mood to count the ceiling bars in the bear cage at that time and in that place? I know some guys who will claim (almost certainly falsely) that they once dated a woman who'd do it anytime and anywhere. But in an animal cage, after days of backbreaking labor, in the aftermath of your jailer's death threats and upon the revelation that your circumstance is now, officially, hopeless? How many of you guys out there have a lady friend who'd think that was the perfect time to get it on?
Painfully stupid. Worst. Twist. Ever.
Shifting gears from critism to critique . . .
Since the idea that Jack's character repeatedly displays traits consistent with a military background was one of my hobby horses the first couple of seasons, I appreciate you dropping in that little parenthetical, Mac. I would add: didn't you find that little 'I think you'll find I'm very good at taking orders' comment in the scrub room more than a little odd? The whole exchange is ambiguous, of course, and she could be implying any number of things. On the list of potential implications, though, is the possibility that she is alluding to his (hypothetical) military background. Which she would know about, because it was in her Big Book of Jack.
Since this was apparently the episode for revealing plot points via ambiguous conversations, why not?
But truth be told, I'm now far more interested in Benry's story, than I am in any of the Losties. The origins of his megalomania and psychotic mood swings have to be far more interesting than the last sordid details of Kate's life. I'm waiting for him to lift his head off that operating table and say to Jack, "Most people are so ungrateful to be alive, but not you, not any more..."
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:33:33 -05:00
Ooooh, hookedonlost .... I really responded to what you wrote. The whole Kate sun dress/pregnancy thing ... You may be on to something. I thought the producers just wanted Kate to show off some skin for the young male viewers. But, as usualy, not all is as it seems on LOST.
One last comment about people being disappointed: Oy, if you start listening to the advertisers you're going to drive yourself crazy. The LOST people have *nothing* to do with the promos. That's ABC. That's about money, ratings, and luring viewers. I watch the promos, but realize that they are trying to manipulate me, so I take them as a grain of salt. Remember, the LOST writers don't *advertise* the show. They only write each episode. From the official podcasts I've heard, they even seem somewhat annoyed with ABC and their hyped-up promos.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:38:00 -05:00
When did Kate's mother die? I do not recall that
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:40:37 -05:00
Great job once again mac.
just a few comments:
+ "quivering like a Chihuahua in a thunderstorm." - great line.
+ i'm of the opinion that Jack's "let him die" attitude is a power play to by time without actually causing more harm to Ben.
+ although it is possible that he could have cut the kidneys, he didn't reach too far (i know it's just a show, but) it is also possible that he simply sliced the sac spoken of during the Kate-Jack story - to be revealed when Kate calls back via WalkieTalkie.
+ if Jules does want Ben to die, I wander what plan she'll have in place to intercept Kate B4 see calls back - or will she simply speed up the process by send her Mr. Friendly henchman and once he's out of the room cut Ben off by herself.
+ i do not think that Jack is a killer.
+ i think that Ben and Jules are bitter siblings - not sure that i trust her.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:42:03 -05:00
"Jacobs" is ethan's last name. Just like "Pickett" is danny's last name.
They're the jocks of the others.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:42:24 -05:00
Did anyone notice, was Alex just shooting rocks or was it more? I could have sworn I saw a dart (or something like) hit one of the Dharma drones. It would certainly explain them dropping better. A stone from a slingshot would hurt, but would you really expect to go against people with GUNS with a few rocks?
I also agree, the little snippet questions, i.e. "How did she get here?" or "Our schedule's been moved up." were very interesting. Just the fact that there IS a schedule reveals something.
"Bear cage sex!". Best line this season Mac! :)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:44:27 -05:00
Here's another question - whatever happened to Kate during her time w/ Benry - what was that a week in Lost time? - and then sex w/ Sawyer... Is it possible they impregnated Kate? She'll be preggers and and think it's Sawyers but it turns out to be alien baby from V (God, that was a great show)?
But as I'm writing this, they probably would make her do all the heavy construction work if they wanted to impregnate her and keep her preggers...
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:48:36 -05:00
one other thing.
could "Jacob" be our "Other" Ethan.
i do not remember any of the "Others" adressing Ethan and "Ethan" - or any (other) name for that matter.
please post if one can correct me.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:52:39 -05:00
@Mr. Grimm : I almost have too much respect for your cumulative contributions here to debate your take on the Kate backstory.
I agree about her coming full circle and changing her nature. (although, if it had been Jack in the other bear cage???)
But even you pointed out that in her story "she did what she always did - run"
I was just a little let down in that the Kate (Monica) we were shown in the backstory was pretty consistent with the Kate we've always seen - she skirts on the borderline of someone who tries and really seems to want to be that person - but ultimately is who she is..
Her story almost served to "remind us" of what we already knew - or to re-introduce her to newer viewers the way the Paulliki character was used as a similar vehicle.
The change in her nature was relevant to her past but I think most of us would've seen that without the new info.
I guess that over the long haul they plan to tell a "complete story" on each of the mainstays, and this was their time for the next chapter.
I'm starting to view Kate as Bill Bixby's David Banner and the Marshall as that reporter guy McGhee in the old Hulk series. (I can almost hear that teary piano music as she hitchhikes her way down the highway at the end of each segment... )
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:52:40 -05:00
Thinking a little about what weâ€™ve seen:
1. Why do the others have nothing better to do with their prisoners than have them working on very low-tech manual labor projects with no apparent point, and which didnâ€™t seem very big to me despite Kateâ€™s â€œItâ€™s big.â€ declaration to Jack?
2. What is the nature of Smoky, given the writersâ€™ nixing of the â€˜nanobot cloudâ€™ theory?
A little reasoning leads me to believe that:
1. The Others have no control over Smoky, because if they did, he could clear a field of rocks a lot faster than semi-starved manual laborers.
2. Or else, the chain gang serves no other purpose than to punish and/or condition the captives for reasons not readily apparent, in which case Smoky may still be under the Othersâ€™ control.
1. Who are the *other* laborers? (Other than Sawyer and Kate)
o Renegade Others? (May lend some credence to the punishment theory.)
o Previous plane crash/boat wreck survivors?
o Rival hatch groups that lost the power struggle with the â€˜one true hatchâ€™ after Dharma collapsed?
Iâ€™d like to suggest at least a partial explanation for some of the intriguing questions. The Alvar Hanso film that was the final product of the Lost Experience suggests that the island was set up in extreme secrecy for six separate groups to study â€œhow to change one or more of the core values of the Valenzetti equation.â€ And thus save humanity from extinction. Hanso says the location of the island was known only to Hanso, the deGroots, and a few high ranking executives of the Hanso foundation. A radio tower was set up to broadcast, in code, the six Valenzetti equation coefficients until one of the Dharma research groups succeeded. In the meantime, Hanso would supply food, medicine, and equipment in perpetuity. When a breakthrough had been made, then and only then were the scientists to signal (by means unspecified in the film) that the project has succeeded.
Everything about this suggests that communication with the island was supposed to be one-way, information and supplies flowing into the island but nothing coming out, until the success signal was sent. Hanso appeared at that point to have disappeared. We have no information about the deGroots. At least one high ranking associate of the Hanso foundation, Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk seems to have staged a coup and taken over the foundation.
The internal evidence at in the series seems to be that the Dharma Initiative failed long ago, and that remainders of the scientists, or perhaps their children, are using the decaying facilities for their own purposes.
Maybe no one outside the island KNOWS this (other, perhaps, than Mittelwerk, who for purposes of his own, is not telling), and therefore data and supplies continue to flow in to the island, but on a fixed schedule, and no communication in the opposite direction does (or can) take place. Thus the Others cannot request a surgeon, or a replacement for the defibrillator. They are technically without the means to ask (or to depart the island themselves). All this due to the secrecy Hanso felt necessary to set up in the first place.
Maybe the key to getting off the island is to find out how that â€œsuccessâ€ signal was supposed to be sent, and send it. We know it canâ€™t be a simple interruption of the sending of the numbers, because, if I remember correctly, Rousseau has already done that, substituting her own transmission, with the Losties already intercepted.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:53:12 -05:00
Ben(ry) calls Ethan "Ethan" in the first 5 minutes of season 3.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:54:45 -05:00
Hmmm, if Kate was worrying about using her passport to gt to Costa Rica, how did she get to Australia without any problems? I guess you could say that the Marshall found out about her going there and that's why he was there but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that you need a passport to fly to Australia too...
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:54:46 -05:00
Mac, great review.
One significant thing, though:
The passage not only said "Lift up your eyes and look North" ... it also included the biblical passage ... from "JOHN"
In essence, to Lock it appeared as:
"Lift up your eyes and look north John"
... and being that his name *is* john ... I think it re-affirms his belief in predestination.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:55:13 -05:00
Some have commented on not being sure that the Other's village is on the Big Island. This is shown quite clearly at the end of the opening sequence from the first show of season three. The shot pulls back from the village to show most of the island with the two halves of airplane freshly "de-skied".
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:55:43 -05:00
@Bob: Technically, we don't see Kate's mom die, but in "Born to Run" she sneaks into the hospital to see her gravely ill mother.
Here's the review:
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:56:53 -05:00
Someone asked what promise Ben made to Jack (like won't he just dump him on the other island after the operation). I think what Ben said was that he could send Jack "home." I assumed he meant back to the U.S. and his real home. Not the other island.
But, he could pull the old switcheroo.
I still think Juliet should not be trusted. She's E-vil.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:57:11 -05:00
Not knowing Nathan Fillion the actor, when Kate opened the door I swore I was looking at Ethan Rom! Strong resemblance in my opinion.
I think 'Monica's' husband Kevin the cop is looking for her and will surface again at some future point...
Didn't anyone at the wedding think it was strange that Monica had NO family or friends of her own at the ceremony?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:02:03 -05:00
Best line in season three:
Jack- Well, Ben, at least you won't have to be disappointed for very long
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:02:30 -05:00
Does anyone know how many episodes that have already shot for this season? Have they shot the entire season yet or are they up to a certain episode?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:04:27 -05:00
Did anybody else throw-up in their mouth when Sawyer and Kate were getting hot and heavy? I'd rather watch old people fuck than those two.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:05:19 -05:00
@ Cecil Rose
regarding communitation - i thought the Hanso video stated that the communitation tower signal (setup to repeat the "numbers sequence") was to be revised to reveal that one or more core values were found to be altered - where scientist from another (off)site will know what data the Dharma group(s) have determined possible.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:05:46 -05:00
great review mac, as always.
i totally agree with you about nathan fillion. extremely underrated as an actor and i totally loved firefly and the movie serenity even more. i hope he gets more work and soon.
it was good to see jack back but i must say i like kate&sawyer together much better than kate&jack. kate/sawyer have a chemistry that really works for their characters and i think the writers should consider that and continue to pursue it.
i loved last night episode and cant wait til feb. hopefully half of our questions will get answered before the season finale.
i to have a problem with pickett taking his frustrations out on sawyer for colleens death. shoulnt he be going after sun? it's not like they dont know where to look for her. hmmm...... how about the other island. :) his tyrads are actually getting old and unnecessary, if you ask me.
anyway, that's my 5 cents and i'm sticking with it.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:08:09 -05:00
@ Mr. Grimm
>"And now for an update on the 1st Annual "Island Hook-Up Championship" The score is Sawyer 2, Jack 0, Hurley was in the running but is now permanently stuck in 3rd. In other news the judges have ruled Jin disqualified, sleeping with your wife is not considered a "hook-up".
Mr. Grimm, Mr. Grimm, Mr. Grimm - are you looking at this only from the tally points of the male gender? Do not Ana Lucia and Kate get a point (even though the former has no chance of scoring again)?
Did Sayid score a point - I don't rememebr.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:10:46 -05:00
@ButchM - Remember Sayid hooked up with Shannon (the night she saw Walt)?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:12:00 -05:00
Shannon - Sayid
I thought I was going to hate Sawyer/Kate together (mostly because I hate to see Sawyer with anyone but ME) but I like them now. Jack and Kate do not have the right dynamics any more. I really liek the idea of Jack and Juliet.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:15:13 -05:00
I think that "Jacob" is Goodwin as he created the lists, and Jack wasn't at his camp so Goodwin never put him on, and also didn't Tom say Ethan never made a list?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:16:15 -05:00
If you're going to count a tally, you have to include Locke. He mentally worked Charlie pretty good for awhile there.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:22:02 -05:00
Sorry I didn't mean to be sexist, LOL, I just assumed that the ladies don't keep count of their conquests. Or maybe the younger generation does, hhmmmmm maybe I'm age-ist as well.
And yes - I forgot to Include Sayid in the "Island Hook-Up Championship". Charlie was also excluded when he failed to pass the substance screening process.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:23:48 -05:00
Great & funny review, as always, Mac.
Here's something I noticed that I haven't seen posted yet... MoniKate's husband worked for Miami Dade police. He was working on a fugitive case. Wasn't Sawyer in a Florida prison before he got let go for ratting on a fellow inmate? Wasn't the money from that episode in a car/jeep off of a Florida turnpike? Point I'm trying to make: MoniKate's husband may have been the one that arrested/jailed Sawyer. Perhaps that's why this seemingly unnecessary backstory was written. To finally tie in Kate and Sawyer from the past. Hummm?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:25:37 -05:00
The "anonymous Dharma drone" with Pickett is named Jason (see Every Man for Himself).
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:26:35 -05:00
I propose a point for Mr. Eko as well. If he didn't get effed, I don't know who did.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:34:22 -05:00
@Stevo: Please watch the language. A number of teenagers follow this site.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:37:14 -05:00
@ Mr. Grimm - Re: Island hookups... I expect Rose & Bernard are WAY ahead of Sawyer and everybody else. They've got to be doing something to kill time - not like we've seen them at all lately!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:40:56 -05:00
I am so sick of seeing Kate ruin every opportunity by becoming a hostage. That is like the 3rd or 4th time we saw this.
Didn't we see in some flashback that she could fight. She could've taken that guy.
Even if it was a setup and Jack knew it, for the first time ever, I felt kind of bad for the guy. He has been kept all alone in this cell for a week or more. Now he sees Kate and Sawyer in the same cage doing the nasty. If I was him, my first thought would be...
"here I am all by myself trying to figure out a plan and they have been together doing it this whole time?!" He wouldn't know that it was their first time. I would be a little pissed/hurt.
Also, I don't get Sawyer. Who gives a shit if they are on a different island. Any escape is better than randon beatings from Pickett. Or is he scared to be away from the security of the fish biscuits?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:42:32 -05:00
Some have suggested that Jacob is Ethan, and I think maestr06 was the first to suggest he was Goodwin.
I've played Clue before, so here's my guess : It was Eyepatch Guy in the Arrow Station with the Jesus Stick!
But if he had to be either of the first two, I remember that Zeke once jumped over Ethen because he was found out before he got to make a list so I'd say that rules out Ethan.
Picketts grumblings suggested that Benry's taking someone not on the list was in defiance of someone higher than Benry. And judging from the way Benry barked out orders to Ethan & Goodwin, I'd say the pecking order of the others that we know of is (from top to bottom)
3)Juliet, Zeke, and Bea (ms. Klugh).
4)Goodwin, Ethan, Pickett.. (the movie star.. the professor and MaryAnn)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:44:58 -05:00
No way they're done filming for the season. They probably won't get done until March or April.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:51:56 -05:00
LMAO - you're right - he sure did. DAMN.
The guidelines for the "Island Hook-up Championship", as written by the International Olympic Committee, does not allow for married couples to participate.
I hope they are "Knockin' boots" though, damn - I just showed my age.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:52:08 -05:00
I, for one, really liked seeing Kate and Sawyer hooking up. I thought it was genuine, sexy and quite believable. What woman in her right mind wouldn't jump his bones if they had the chance? Hello?!
One small quibble though. Kate's armpits were smooth as a baby's bottom. Is Zeke/Tom slipping her a Lady Schick along with the clothes? Come on!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:55:52 -05:00
>I propose a point for Mr. Eko as well. If he didn't get effed, I don't know who did.
Keen observation - I second the motion that Eko gets a point. Whadda ya think Mr. Tallyman Grimm? Oh, and add Shannon to the list (thanks Linda).
I propose a new acronym - WTLTMG? - what's the latest tally, Mr. Grimm. Whadda ya think, mac? Mr. Grimm will have to do all the work - we can kick back and relax, and ask the score at any time.
In 3 seasons, that's the first time someone actually said the "f" word. Not that we are a bunch of prudes here, but I think we are better off without it. Other posters use all sorts of imaginative words in lieu of it - effen friggin, etc. My 10 yearold grandson reads the blog sometimes and I'd not want him to see that. TIAFYC (thanks in advance for your cooperation)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:02:36 -05:00
Not only was "lift your eyes and look north" writen on the stick but the scripture reference below was from John. Just thougth that was cool too.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:03:45 -05:00
Hey all, Hookedonlost posted a great link under last week's "Cost of Living" -- http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx
Its an interview with the creators that talks about the story arc, and what to expect after the break. A must read. (Thanks, hookedonlost!)
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:16:56 -05:00
Where's Saminator when we need him? I'm curiuos what he has to say about this ep!
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:16:57 -05:00
Can someone refresh my memory of why Ben was going through the jungle on the island when he was caught? Could he have been going to see "Jacob" and Jacob be among the other Losties?
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:32:50 -05:00
@Amanda - Hah -see my above comments about Kate's pits.
Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:40:00 -05:00
If Kate was starting to make out with Sawyer and she raised her arms to take her shirt off and revealed that she had harry pits, I would have puked. I don't care how "real" it is that she doesn't have hair under her arms. That's the way it should be, cleanly shaved. I'm sorry, there's only so much I'm willing to give up for the sake of reality. :)