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Updated: 2018-04-12T16:31:40.626+08:00

 



This article expounds on this viewpoint so much be...

2008-07-01T14:11:00.000+08:00

This article expounds on this viewpoint so much better than I do.

(I do not purport to fully agree with everything it says, and I have actually yet to fully digest every single point. :P But it seems to address the issue pretty comprehensively.)



I think a distinction between pride and hubris nee...

2008-07-01T11:23:00.000+08:00

I think a distinction between pride and hubris needs to be made. For some of us, being 'proud' is a positive feeling about our cultural or social identity.

I agree though to think ourselves better than others would be pushing boundaries. (As per the examples given - one could argue that colonization did bring about good change to some parts of the world but that's a different debate)

Mind you, if everyone could be proud of only the things they've achieved themselves, the world would be a very sad place.



I still don't see why you shouldn't be proud of wh...

2008-06-30T20:28:00.000+08:00

I still don't see why you shouldn't be proud of who you are, as long as it doesn't cause you to look down upon others.

Why can't I be proud of what my parents did? Or what my ancestors did?

So I didn't earn it. But I can still be proud of something bigger that who I personally am.



"Your parents fucked, Mom got knocked up, and ~9 m...

2008-06-30T13:17:00.000+08:00

"Your parents fucked, Mom got knocked up, and ~9 months later, there you were!"

lol



day-dreamer: The wrong is more due to the second p...

2008-06-30T12:45:00.000+08:00

day-dreamer: The wrong is more due to the second part, the parochiality and xenophobia bit.

shoufarn: I guess one might be entitled to feel proud if he exemplifies the "good" of a certain cultural group, but in that case it might be more appropriate to feel proud about yourself rather than feel proud that "hey we Chinese have the world's most noble culture." Unfortunately such thought is more prevalent than I used to think. In fact a long time ago I almost succumbed to such thought before I knew better. :P

ka lip: Yup I agree that many of such "pride movement" arise from prejudice and discrimination, especially those that of GLTB, African etc. However, there are equally many prides that are from the self-acclaimed superior groups - the white pride, chinese pride (this one you probably might categorise it either way), nationalism etc.

The state of being proud of social identity per se may not be as harmful as, say, systematic discrimination. In fact pride might actually be beneficial in daily life. Say, Leisel Jones wins an Olympic gold and you feel so damn proud of your country - have you contributed in any way to her success, except perhaps paying taxes that partly funded her training and campaign? And, why should I feel damn proud that Manchester United beats Chelsea, when I basically pay nothing to buy memorabilia, and my only contribution is visits to their website and +1 viewer in the telecast? I am probably not entitled to feel proud, but hey, if Leisel Jone's medal can light up an Australian and Man Utd's light up mine, it probably is acceptable I guess? :)

On a bigger scale, however, social pride sits behind many forms of social discrimination and parochiality. A huge part of history is painted with people going around colonising others with the excuse of "civilising the inferior world" (White pride), or saying that "we Chinese will beat the crap out of the rest of the world!!" (the rising Chinese nationalism today). Yes this is quite a slippery slope argument, but when we have witnessed so many slopes that have gone down the abyss, there are reasons for us to be very worried.

Although the examples above might be the more serious cases; I believe that they are a dangerous path many "pride" heads to. And to think that all these harms arising from one's belief in their entitlement to pride from the cosmic lottery, is depressing.



I think 'pride' sort of arose from its 'opposite'....

2008-06-30T09:00:00.000+08:00

I think 'pride' sort of arose from its 'opposite'. That is... where people were looked down on: i.e. African, Gays & lesbians, even Asians.

So it's not always about saying I'm OH SO PROUD for being accidentally born into a particular group but rather, I'm just as good as any other person regardless of what differences I may have.



Because you didn't earn it.You'd be rightfully pro...

2008-06-30T07:53:00.000+08:00

Because you didn't earn it.

You'd be rightfully proud if you revolutionized the culture, or introduced new stuff to it.

Simply being born and weaned into a culture is nothing to be proud of, you didn't have to do any work.



Indeed something to think about. But what's wrong ...

2008-06-30T00:06:00.000+08:00

Indeed something to think about.

But what's wrong with being proud of {insert a cultural / social identity}?