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By: Drummond Reed

Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:30:38 +0000

Mandy, I deeply agree with you, and Connect.Me will strive to keep finding the best ways to educate TAs and establish high standards for TA vouching.

By: Georgina Lester – Business and Marketing Mentor » » Another #SM network to manage? Really? Is Connect.Me just another Klout? @respectconnect

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:34:14 +0000

[...] media fatigue. However, I would suggest that this one is worth a second glance. The debates and discussions have been rippling through various corners of the internet as Connect.Me begins its amorphous [...]

By: Emily (@emmiesays)

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:52:38 +0000

Hah! I couldn't have said it better myself, actually I probably couldn't, only because I joined about a week ago, and don't know enough about it to really comment. BUT, if it's anything like what you said, then I will be leary of it, but still keep an open mind. Thank you for the informative post :) Have a great day!

By: The Value of a Trust Anchor Vouch

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:31:03 +0000

[...] Trust Anchor vouches. Founding Trust Anchor Amanda Fox wrote a blog post about it yesterday called What is a Trust Anchor Vouch Really Worth. She gave these very concrete — if anonymous — [...]

By: Tom Cooley

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:20:49 +0000

great post, Mandy!

By: Drummond Reed

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:03:08 +0000

Adam -- and Amanda -- your concerns are very valid. However, when Adam says, "It’s not just about gaming, it’s about integrity, and I don’t think there is any way for to get it back", I think there may be aspects of the Respect Trust Framework that you don't appreciate yet. I'm working on a blog post now for the Connect.Me blog that will explain this in more detail, but the Trust Anchor network is self-reinforcing. In other words, as soon as a Trust Anchor acting in good faith sees another Trust Anchor acting in bad faith -- and thus harming the integrity of the trust network -- they just need to tell us. That's what the Complaint section (page 11) of the Respect Trust Framework is about. Initially, Connect.Me itself will act on complaints. And we will be VERY strict, i.e., as soon as we hear from one Trust Anchor about questionable behavior from another - exactly the kind of actions that Amanda describes in her post -- we'll act on it. A Trust Anchor losing Trust Anchor status is a very strong signal. As the network grows, it will scale by complaints be acted on not by Connect.Me, but by other Trust Anchors - a jury of one's peers. This is the way Wikipedia administration works, and while it's not perfect, it has produced the world's largest free open encyclopedia of knowledge. We are trying to do the same thing for trusted reputation. And it is precisely the integrity of Trust Anchors like the two of you that can not only repair but continuously defend and improve the integrity trust network. If you ever have any question about that, please come directly to me. I'm Chief Trust Officer of Connect.Me, and it's my job to defend the integrity of this trust network. Thanks.

By: mandyf

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:29:07 +0000

I don't really worry about missing out on anything with a platform like or any other really because it doesn't impact my income one way or the other because it's a hobby for me. If it messed with my money - yeah, I'd get real concerned. I'm mostly still there because my account is active. Today was the first time I logged in this month, maybe in 2-3 weeks. It just came out of Beat, and already i feel like I've gone as far with it as I can for a good while, maybe even ever because it is possible I am too damn picky about who I am willing to TA vouch for. To be brutally honest, being an early adopter, in this instance, was by sheer accident. Somehow it happened though and there I found myself in the middle of it. People i didn't know suddenly wanted to do me favors for a vouch. Someone I did know was trading vouches for favors. I saw someone I think is the exact opposite of what a TA is supposed to be (by the book) that I know had to game their way into it. Did that piss me off a little when I saw them posting elsewhere online as a TA and doing their whole schtick about how elite it is yada yada - yeah it did. That prompted this post. I did then, and do now, like the concept. I do think that the platform is young enough to live up to much of what it advertised - but it has to act fast. Stop making new TAs right now. As is though, the mess it's become is more aggravation mixed with disenchantment because after going through what was a fairly involved vetting process compared to anywhere else, suddenly TAs were falling out of the sky and piling up like cord wood overnight. Take a good look at the new TAs that have come into the system. Hell, look at all of us again if that is what it takes. We all know a few people have come in that - to be generous - are very highly questionable. Maybe it is a matter of saying, "you gave a TA vouch to these people - do you want to reconsider those choices?" A Do-over is not the perfect solution and I realize that. Can you really start "un-making" TAs? It would be a pain in the butt, but maybe it would help settle things out better. And yeah, I get why people started handing them out like Pez - it seemed like there was an immediate need to suddenly make TAs left and right. But like you said, most of the people I knew of that wanted to be a TA were a TA before the books opened. Of the people I did feel comfortable giving a TA vouch for, 2 registered to see what it was all about, but don't care. The other likely won't ever get three vouches because she doesn't network her butt off doing the social scene. I wish I had the answers to fix it. I wish I felt a stronger tie to the site than I currently do, because right now I feel like I'm hanging around just in case someone I know some day for some reason needs a TA vouch and I can help them out.

By: Adam Justice

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:37:54 +0000

Mandy, you've echoed the same sentiment that I felt about.... 1 day after the TA status went live. I actually went out of my way to reach out to months ago, around October to commend them on the work they were trying to do with online Identity and submit myself to become a Trust Anchor. I was accepted, but told they wouldn't go live for a few months. In the Interim between October and the end of 2011, they reach out to me and asked that I nominate 5 people to automatically become Trust Anchors. I nominated 2... and found it hard to do that much. Like you, I read the RTF, and the requirements to get nominated or get a TA vouch from me is far more strenuous than others. Why they would put out 50 to every player even before the 150 you get for life is beyond me. After the TA status went live, there was only a handful of us from EA who had it, and I agreed with their admittance based on the guidelines in the RTF. Having consistent profiles that were generally verifiable, and basically having no doubt that they represented exactly who they said they were: identity as well as role. About an hour later an EA player sent me a message asking for a TA vouch. The vouches weren't live yet, and instead of upsetting them or confronting them I just told them I couldn't because they weren't live, but I also felt that using a picture of someone else was a major violation of the RTF, and according to my understanding of the RTF then and my personal Integrity, there was no way I was going to vouch for someone using a fake name or profile picture, or someone who represented their abilities beyond what they were capable of; in fact I wasn't going to vouch for anyone excpet those I coud verify that everything represented on their profiles was true, and that they represented everything that constituted an online presence (basically an Identity form and Resume). I definately wouldn't have TA vouched for someone I knew for a fact had a dishonest representtation of themselves. By the next day, they had become a TA by going to ( the same way I did months earlier), and pretty much everyone who had a Facebook account and an interest in did the same thing. Like you said, most of the people we know meet the requirements to be Trust anchors.... except 1. I don't think they have the standards to withold TA vouches from people they cannot truthfully verify. It became a networking tool, go and do a TA vouch for everyone so you can say you did something for them (and why not, you have 50 disposable ones right now), even though being a Trust Anchor is about as exclusive as owning an iPhone now. I e-mailed Drummond about my concerns, and even though he agrees with my view of the Respect Trust Framework in his answers and personal sentiment, the actions of the network, their procedures do not. It's not just about gaming, it's about integrity, and I don't think there is any way for to get it back. There are just too many TA vouches available now. After I found out that they were being given out like candy and I wouldn't be able to TA vouch for anybody if I didn't get to it, I lowered my standards and decided I would use the TA vouches like everyone else (and how intends, since they gave us so many). Turns out, I couldn't find a single person that was both interested in Connect me enough to register, and not already a Trust Anchor. Admit it, can't have it's integrity back, and the reason you're still there is for the fear of missing out as opposed to the ideal that still has potential and has any possibility of being a viable answer to online identity verification in it's current form. I have been an active student of social media for some time now, and hardly anyone realizes how much i[...]

By: mandyf

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:33:55 +0000

Drummond, thank you for taking time to respond to this. It is extremely reassuring to see that we as members are paid attention to and that the vast majority of us in the TA community at this time are doing it tight. I think it is an exceptional idea to have a little more information available regarding the value of a TA vouch. I believe in this concept as I said previously, and with a little bit of TLC and education I think it can be an exceptional destination for professionals in many disciplines who want to establish or strengthen their reputation. I know that n system is perfect, but I also know we shouldn't stop striving to reach loftier levels.

By: camountain

Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:37:27 +0000

I still have a good portion of my vouches left as I don't plan to give them at a drop of a hat. When I became a TA I found out because I was added to the community on Facebook and never solicited a single vote. I am still not sure how this is all going to turn out once comes out of Beta but I will not be selling votes then either.