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By: Mark

Wed, 09 May 2007 00:51:28 +0000

codepoke, Man's essence (and will/energies) are never thought to be unchanging. I'm not sure I understand what you're driving at.



By: codepoke

Tue, 08 May 2007 02:27:02 +0000

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly *; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. I understand your position, but I ask you to consider that the very essence of man is changed into something truly spiritual when he is born from heaven.



By: Mark

Mon, 07 May 2007 03:38:22 +0000

codepoke, We do not communicate with God's essence, God's essence is eternal, unchanging and unknowable. He makes his self known via his energies, his will. Of which a primary example is via Christ's becoming human. When, according to Palamas argument vs Barlaam, the heyschast (or other person is Graced with His presence) it is by act of God's will (his energia) that this occurs.



By: codepoke

Fri, 04 May 2007 16:42:44 +0000

That's cool. I'll turn on the email flag, and see how that works.



By: Mark

Thu, 03 May 2007 16:46:11 +0000

codepoke, I'm sorry I didn't comment earlier. I need to use reference material to dig up a response to this question. I'll get back to it tonight.



By: codepoke

Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:48 +0000

> it allows for God’s immanent being to > be ‘incomprehensible’ and truly beyond history > and creation. How does this play against the new creation? We are first born of the earth, earthy, but in Christ we are changed - we are made spiritual as Christ is spiritual. Our essence is supplemented with His, making us able to commune with Him directly, essentially, no?



By: Mark

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:08:01 +0000

Anne, As a heads-up, I'm going to be starting a short series (2-3 essays) on the Barlaam/Palamas debate on which the essence/energy question is key.



By: Anne

Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:59:43 +0000

Thank you for tackling this question for me. I think it has some very meaningful applications to understanding God. I'll be following up on this on my blog, but after Easter. God's blessings on your upcoming chrismation! Anne/WF



By: Pacesetters Bible School Newsletter » Blog Archive » Christian Reconciliation Carnival #3

Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:37:02 +0000

[...] only one effort to answer it, bravely tackled by Mark Olson of Pseudo-Polymath in an entry titled Essence and Energy from the East. I appreciate his providing this answer, and I found it educational. I knew nothing of this [...]



By: Mark

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:21:28 +0000

jpe, With compliments like that, you're sure to get what you want. So ... look for more.



By: Mark

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:45:48 +0000

All, Update, reading last night in a summary of the Barlaam/Palamas debates by Meyendorff I found an error. Barlaam was not a Thomist, he was more influenced by the nascent Enlightenment/Reneaissance movements and naturalism, was recoiling from Thomistic versions of rationalism and it's ways of knowing God and in venturing east was horrified by hesychasm, which in turn gave us the debates.



By: jpe

Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:34:57 +0000

That was great. I've always eyed Orthodox Christianity from across the room, nervous that I'd like it too much and nervous that I wouldn't. Good stuff this post, and you've got an enthusiastic reader if you discuss more of it.



By: Nerd Family

Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

the Old Testament exceptions to the New Testament. Then John at Brain Cramps for God asks "Are Evangelicals 'Owned' Politically?" Then Steve at An Accidental Blogger discusses Christians - the Reluctant Greens. Next up, Pseudo-Polymath gives us Essence and Energy from the East. Mark attempts to explain the essence/energy distinction, a feature of Eastern theology which is not practiced (or understood?) in the Western church. In the area of personal growth we have many insightful posts. Let us first look at



By: Intellectuelle

Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

. I've done this a few times myself and agree that it is a tradition well worth observing. In the Questions section, discussion continues on God's essence as distinguished from his energy in an East-West Christian comparison, thanks to Mark at Pseudo-Polymath. Mark also tackles the Topic of the Month, which has to do with both Defining Essentials of the Faith and wrestling with our differences in an edifying way. There are also more posts on the topic of Christian unity.