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Updated: 2017-10-29T23:46:40.225-04:00

 



Andy,So is 30 to 35 percent fat calories a moderat...

2008-05-28T19:27:00.000-04:00

Andy,

So is 30 to 35 percent fat calories a moderate-fat diet and above 35 percent a high-fat diet? How much fat, as a percentage of total calories, do you think is safe to consume? What do you see as the safe upper limit for total fat intake? How much saturated fat can one consume with out risking clogged arteries?



Let me clarify something.A low-fat diet adds up to...

2008-05-28T12:07:00.000-04:00

Let me clarify something.

A low-fat diet adds up to 20 - 30 percent of calories from fat.

Very-low fat diets get less than 15 percent of calories from fat.

So, a diet consisting of 30 - 35 percent of calories from fat is not a low-fat diet.



David,Of course I am implying that Gary Taubes is ...

2008-05-28T11:03:00.000-04:00

David,

Of course I am implying that Gary Taubes is accusing the nutrition community of pushing "low-fat" diets.

That's because he does!

There are many aspects of nutrition that are not subjective, David.

Your suggestion that a diet consisting of 30 - 35 percent of calories from fat is "low-fat" is grossly inaccurate.

By definition, low-fat diets get no more than 15 percent of their calories from fat.

Consider the following analogy.

Imagine that for most of your adult life, your Body Mass Index has been 36. As you know, this falls in the "obese" category.

Let's say you get it down to 27 -- that's quite a change. In your mind, after years of being at 36, 27 is a low BMI.

It isn't. 27 falls into the "overweight" category.

Calling something "high" or "low" compared to your experience is not valid in a discussion like this.

"In the minds of us who derive upwards of 40 percent of our energy intake from fat, the 35 percent recommendation still seems like low-fat to us."

That is a measly five percent difference. Besides, as I mentioned, low-fat is 15% of calories (or less!) from fat.

"He's not suggesting that the mainstream is urging people to shun fats."

He's not? Then what's all this constant talk about "disastrous" and unhealthy low-fat diets?

Please. Gary Taubes makes it very clear that, in his mind, mainstream dietetics is all about pushing "carbs" and shunning fat.

Like I said, I have never heard him acknowledge that the nutrition community recommends the intake of Omega-3 fatty acids and monounsaturated fats.

Instead, he sticks to that one point -- "let people eat more saturated fat"!

How does this "shun carbs, embrace saturated fat" argument explain obesity rates and overall low heart disease and diabetes rates in Japan?

Japan's obesity rates are among the lowest in the world.

Not only is the traditional Japanese diet relatively high in carbohydrates, it is also low in saturated fat and high in Omega-3 fatty acids.



Andy,I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was just...

2008-05-28T08:17:00.000-04:00

Andy,

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was just pointing out that in using words such as "worship" and "completely" you imply an extreme viewpoint. This tactic turns a discussion into an argument. I urge you to learn how to stop doing that.

You do it frequently. For example, in your response to me you mentioned that you had "never heard him (Gary Taubes) acknowledge that most of the nutrition community is NOT pushing low-fat diets."

Here you imply that Gary Taubes is accusing the nutrition community of pushing a low-fat approach when, in fact, in recent years the nutrition community has upped recommend fat intake from 30 to 35 percent. In the minds of us who derive upwards of 40 percent of our energy intake from fat, the 35 percent recommendation still seems like low-fat to us. Therefore, in our view, most of the nutrition community is still pushing the low-fat approach as the answer to controlling weight.

You wrote, "...where on my blog do you see me urging people to shun fats?"

There, you did it again. You're suggesting that I am accusing you of recommending that people shun fats. Since your opinions are informed by dietetics and public health, I know exactly what you recommend as far as fat intake is concerned. Taubes also knows where the mainstream nutrition community stands on fat intake. He's not suggesting that the mainstream is urging people to shun fats. What he's saying is that mainstream nutrition experts are urging people to lower saturated fat intake unnecessarily.

As for the food manufacturing industry maligning saturated fats, that would be the edible oils and the sweeteners industries. I don't have time to go into that at the moment because I need to get ready for work. Will finish responding to this blog later.

David Brown
http://nutritionscienceanalyst.blogspot.com/