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Updated: 2017-12-15T19:26:57.661-06:00

 



Don't worry, no one who belongs to the AAP and pro...

2008-02-22T12:08:00.000-06:00

Don't worry, no one who belongs to the AAP and provides primary care will ever have the time to implement any of this. Furthermore, insurance companies will never pay for it.
Rita.



I agree with anonymous....I watch people, it's one...

2008-01-09T19:04:00.000-06:00

I agree with anonymous....I watch people, it's one of my favorite past times in stores, airports, etc. While the fat kids do seem to be fatter, there are a LOT of skinny kids out there! Many of them (well dressed, clean, etc) look like they're being starved!!

I was harrassed when mine were little because my DD was very thin. I know it just made me mad. If I didn't have a supportive pediatrician and mom, I don't know what I would have done! It VERY scary to be told you may loose your kids when you didn't do anything wrong!



Some times you just have to believe your own eyes....

2008-01-09T10:12:00.000-06:00

Some times you just have to believe your own eyes. As I pass by the loccal school yard and look at the kids at recess I see very few obese children. If you were to ask Americans if they thought most kids were obese the majority would answer yes but their eyes tell them a different story, such is the power of the media.



Gee, I suppose that childhood obesity has nothing ...

2007-12-31T04:18:00.000-06:00

Gee, I suppose that childhood obesity has nothing to do with taking away recess, PE and school lunches with poor nutritional values...

Makes me think twice about taking my kids in for their check-ups...



Wow!! When mine were little all they cared about w...

2007-12-22T17:18:00.000-06:00

Wow!! When mine were little all they cared about were the underweight kids. My daughter was always tall and thin (90+ percentile for height, 10th for weight). My doc wasn't a problem, but every other health care worker I was in touch with were!

My DD is now 25, tall and thin. Every trip to WIC was a nightmare! Her health was fine, she wasn't anemic, had plenty of energy, was obviously happy, intelligent, etc...but at every visit I had to listen to lectures about how thin she was and how she could get sick at such a low weight! She was the healthiest in the family!

I was "counseled" and questioned at every visit. I was told to give her milk shakes, ice cream, and pudding to put fat on her....even if she didn't eat her meal! It got to a point, just before she turned 5 (the cut off for WIC) that I was threatened with a social service referral! At that point my doc intervened and told them to back off....I was lucky.

This is what moms and dads will go thru if they have to use any of these services. Of course it will be the poorer families that will get the most intense "counseling", which I guess is good since we all KNOW that poor are fatter because they're lazier and eat more, right? (note sarcasm).

Don't you just love the stupidity?!

This whole "at risk" garbage drives me nuts! I am SO glad my kids are grown!



I sometimes wonder if in the early days of nazi ge...

2007-12-20T16:34:00.000-06:00

I sometimes wonder if in the early days of nazi germany everything seemed pretty normal except a few offbeat things of this same nature.



Gary Taubes explores this paradox in his book, Goo...

2007-12-20T15:08:00.000-06:00

Gary Taubes explores this paradox in his book, Good Calories, Bad Calories. Chapter 4 of the book titled ‘The Greater Good’ Geoffery Rose, an epidemiologist, is quoted as saying “ 49 out of 50 would eat differently every day (i.e. avoiding saturated fat) every day for 40 years and perhaps get nothing from it.” He suggested that you needed to create social pressure to change. This is the whole basis of public heatlh heart disease prevention model. This would be fine if the intervention offered a large degree of benefit compare to a small degree of risk, e.g. Typhoid vaccination to those who have been exposed to a carrier. The problem is that we’ve gotten into a situation where the (public health) intervention is worse than the cure. One example is the mass prescription of statins, a treatment, at best, only marginally effective in the prevention of heart disease or, more precisely, in the prevention of the recurrence of heart disease with many minor and serious side effects and a significant cost.
The dilemma is that the public health bureaucrat, who is typically a doctor, must treat the entire population to prevent the illness of a few, even if there are negative consequences to some in that population. This violates Hippocratic oath of First Do No Harm. A more cynical person than I would say this is a case of attempting to justify one’s existence (i.e. salary) when there was no need. More likely it’s a case of group think, that we experts (technocrats) are here to solve your problems (whether you want us to or not.) Oops there’s that cynicism again.

Taubes goes on to explain the problems with this approach. The most imporant being that once the public health campaign is adopted, it is effectively impossible to backtrack and say “Oops we were wrong. In fact, the science now shows that saturated fat is not a risk factor and that it’s the excess carbs that are harmful.”



There is a trouble maker also named Wilshire (some...

2007-12-20T09:16:00.000-06:00

There is a trouble maker also named Wilshire (some relation to Regina) who once suggested a moratorium on ALL dietary recommendations not supported by Level I evidence.

Looks like the powers-that-be don't want to give up the powers-that-they-have.....

A shame.



This sort of thing is already happening in the UK....

2007-12-19T21:42:00.000-06:00

This sort of thing is already happening in the UK. And their NHS is already overburdened and underfunded. Obese children have bene taken from their homes, because the parents were deemed negligent for allowing the kids to become obese.

Truly outrageous. We can look forward to even more teenagers and young adults with eating disorders in the future.



It won't happen - because no one will pay for it! ...

2007-12-19T17:06:00.000-06:00

It won't happen - because no one will pay for it! The insurance companies will not and the government will not either. If no one pays, the doctors won't bother with it. So don't worry.



How on earth would we even begin to pay for this? ...

2007-12-19T16:59:00.000-06:00

How on earth would we even begin to pay for this? Social services are so strained they can't even take care of kids who really need intervention because of mistreatment.



This means absolutely nothing. As others have not...

2007-12-19T15:46:00.000-06:00

This means absolutely nothing. As others have noted, pediatricians are overloaded as it stands, and since most of the "outside the office" actions would be against the wishes of the parents, they would have to be passed as law. Which simply isn't going to happen.

Build a rapport with your pediatrician. Communicate freely. Make it clear that you respect them and their knowledge. If you don't get respect in return, find another doctor. Ultimately, the parents and not the doctors are the final decision makers and no "expert group" is going to change that any time soon.



And just think, even with all this Big Brother ove...

2007-12-19T14:03:00.000-06:00

And just think, even with all this Big Brother oversight, the malnourished, underweight kids will slip through. Cause you can never start being too rich or too thin!

Sounds like a plan to move copious amounts of money into the hands of diet doctors. If this goes into practice, how much you want to bet that a special government allowance will go to pay for all of this BS screening? Can't pay when little Johny has a cold, but can for this BS!



The motto of "experts" everywhere: Parents are mo...

2007-12-19T13:42:00.000-06:00

The motto of "experts" everywhere: Parents are morons.

*sigh* I've never been more thankful that the medical system as it stands is overloaded. The committee members who favor "a doctor in every home approach" have apparently never attempted to make an exam appointment for healthy children at a busy practice. I can't imagine my family doctor wasting that kind of time to cross examine the parents of obviously healthy children. I also can't imagine case workers adding "obese" children to their endless list of abuse cases, but stranger things have happened.

Of course, another real issue is that if actually implemented, such a measure would prevent the parents who might need such intervention from going at all. Heck, after the vaccines were given, I'd think twice about bringing my kid into the system that would attempt create such an intrusion into my family life. Emergencies only after vaccines if I was cross-examined and scolded about an otherwise healthy kid.



And of course, no-one being interviewed will answe...

2007-12-19T13:09:00.000-06:00

And of course, no-one being interviewed will answer with anything but the truth!!!
What a waste of money