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Comments on True Blue Jazz: Derek Fisher. The man. The controversy.





Updated: 2010-02-04T20:44:05.371-07:00

 



Just more proof that the Jazz fans are the biggest...

2008-05-21T18:55:00.000-06:00

Just more proof that the Jazz fans are the biggest poor sports in the nation. Seriously I have been a lot of places but you guys are really classless.

Also I don't follow your logic in your blog. According to you if a guy has been with a team for a while he should receive accolades when he returns with another team. Is that how Jazz fans treated Malone? So which is it? Treat the guy special that was there one year or many years? But but Karl stiffed us to try and get a ring... see there's always some lame ass excuse why you can't accept anything but your Jazzocentric Universe. There is only one reason I hate the Jazz and that's because of the piss-poor fans.



The thing most people outside of Utah don't realiz...

2008-05-09T23:53:00.000-06:00

The thing most people outside of Utah don't realize is that we boo EVERYBODY. We're the most intimidating and loud arena in the NBA for a reason. I was at the game and I thought we booed everybody equally.

It's pretty funny, too, hearing Laker fans tell us why we were booing. I was there, I know why I booed. He's not on my team anymore. It's part of being in the crowd. You boo the opposing team. He was great for a year while he was here, but I didn't feel all that emotionally attached to him. I don't feel like I should have given him a standing O.

I find it incredibly ironic that Kobe can call anybody classless. At best he cheated on his wife. At worst he raped a girl and paid her to drop the lawsuit.



Is anyone else out there tracking this? How was K...

2008-05-09T23:06:00.000-06:00

Is anyone else out there tracking this? How was Kobe's bank off the glass to himself-which then lead to a lay up-not a travel?



Congratulations. I guess the sweep was not to be.

2008-05-09T22:09:00.000-06:00

Congratulations. I guess the sweep was not to be.



I was watching this on ESPN where they were discus...

2008-05-09T19:12:00.000-06:00

I was watching this on ESPN where they were discussing this.

Booing during a game is understandable.

But the reaction against Fisher was far beyond just the booing. Utah fans were publicly demonizing Fisher saying that he used his daughter as an excuse to go back to his old team. I even saw that same opinion here in a reply by a regular poster. That's what disgusts the rest of this country. And why Utah fans are receiving jeers.

A little girl with cancer is FAR more important than a game. CANCER is real, a game is a game. They just don't compare. Especially not in a father's eyes, like Fisher. We all know that.

But Utah fans had a "Team pride" reaction to this. Where their decisions and moral evaluations were driven by team pride and not humanity over father with a sick little girl. "Fisher used his daughter to get back to the Lakers", that is an illogical statement.

First he went from the team leader to a role player. And he went to a team that at the time was MUCH worse than the Jazz. A team that for the last four years, a 50-50 team that did HORRIBLY in the playoffs. Plus Kobe was being a primadonna and demanding a trade. It was a media circus. 2007 LAKERS was a NBA JOKE.

Plus he lost over SIX MILLION DOLLARS to do it.

He chose a little girl over a game.

That's a noble sacrifice. But Utah fans were blind to the sacrifice.(Or don't care) All they saw was "he used his daughter" to leave MY team. And that is why the rest of this country is jeering the fans.

I think the Utah Jazz is a magnificent team. I LOVE their consistency and discipline for a full 48 minutes. And I think they will win this 3rd game. Though winning 4 out of 5 games against this Laker teams is pretty improbable. But I am hoping for games I can be PROUD of on BOTH sides.

But this damnation of a father, who still has a sick girl who still cries during her painful examinations still, that disgusts me.

I hope it ends.

Lets just play ball. Boo or cheer. But please stop discrediting Fisher outside of the court.



laker fan here... i agree, this whole thing has be...

2008-05-09T18:33:00.000-06:00

laker fan here... i agree, this whole thing has been blown quite out of proportion. i hope you jazz fans out there don't take it personally, as i feel that it has grown into a more global discussion of "what should be considered overboard re: negative fan interaction w/ the players", and jazz fans are kinda getting dragged along for the ugly ride. as far as i can tell, you guys truly love your team, and that's all the jazz can ask for. and you're right - you had (and have) every right to boo fish. as long as fans (not saying SLC, just generally speaking) don't cross the line into inappropriately demeaning remarks, then cheer and boo away.

my two cents: if the lakers sucked, derek probably would've been cheered when he went to utah. the problem w/ this picture is that the lakers are playing killer ball, and fish is a big part of it. think about it, though - as of last summer the dude left the jazzr to (1) go to a worse team (projected to finish 8th/9th in the conference in the preseason), and (2) get LESS PAY!! if he went to LA thinking that he'd be getting farther into the playoffs with them than with the jazz, then miss cleo better be careful because fish will put her OUT OF BUSINESS. i think that the fact that it worked out so well for the lakers is what sucks in the minds of jazz fans, but i just don't see how anyone can think that that's what fish was thinking when he asked to be released from his contract. things just worked out for the guy, you know? and "things working out" also has the unfortunate caveat of him being in a permanent state of worry/concern over one of his children, regardless of whether the lakers win the championship or finish last in the league (which is why laker fans get their panties all in a bunch at the thought of booing the guy).



Look... we're not saying that fans didn't boo beca...

2008-05-09T17:47:00.000-06:00

Look... we're not saying that fans didn't boo because they viewed Fisher as a traitor. I'm sure plenty of people viewed for that reason (I'm also certain there were some fans who had no idea what had happened and were just there to boo a guy that had gone to a rival). But that doesn't mean that all Jazz fans booed him for that reason. So grouping all of us in with the same people that threw stuff at Bruce Bowen and uttered harsh things at the Warriors is kinda overkill, no?

Oh, as for not booing Luke Walton... it might be so. Partially because he's never done anything much to make himself stick out in the minds of Jazz fans (clutch shot with 0.4 seconds left in a game? nope. dagger 3 after dagger 3? nope.), and partially because he's not an ex-Jazzster on the Lakers (like Malone and now Fisher). There's been very little reason to remember who Walton is...



This whole post is ridiculous. First of all, the s...

2008-05-09T17:25:00.000-06:00

This whole post is ridiculous.


First of all, the series will never be tied 2-2. The jazz foul too much and the Lakers are taking the physicality and throwing it right back in their faces with near perfect offensive execution and efficiency.

Second, the Jazz were completely out of line booing Derek Fisher. Your team would not be where it was without him (as you stated in the post). But saying that its okay to viciously boo someone whose family has been through so much is ridiculous. I can't wait till we drop another 120 points on your porous defense and come out of this 3-1 or 4-0. Thanks for your time, guys!



(That was a favor for Miguelinho...who still refus...

2008-05-09T17:22:00.000-06:00

(That was a favor for Miguelinho...who still refuses to make an account)



Most Utah fans are still missing the point. When y...

2008-05-09T17:21:00.000-06:00

Most Utah fans are still missing the point. When you guys booed Fish that night, right at the start, it was NOT because he was a Laker. It was because, in your eyes, he was a traitor.

In other words, who else do you AUTOMATICALLY boo before they push your guys or earn easy free throws?? Maybe Kobe. That's it.

When you say you treat him like any other opposing player - I just laugh. That's a thinly veiled cover for the true reason.

You see him as a traitor, plain and simple. That's the reason you boo and you should admit it. You think he used his daughter's illness to his advantage to wiggle out of his contract. It's a rational sentiment - I just think that if you really believe that, then you don't really know Fish.

To sum up: Laker fans don't really care WHAT you do at this point. Our team is flying in and it's going to send your guys to an early summer vacation. The more you boo, the more riled up Kobe will get, the more threes Fish will make, the more rebounds LO will grab, the more easy finishes Gasol will have at the rim. The more you boo, the quicker your guys go fishing with George Karl, Carmelo, and AI.

So please go ahead and boo. Just stop making fools of yourselves by coming up with all these excuses.

When Luke Walton touches the ball for the first time, your crowd won't utter a sound. When Fish touches the ball, your crowd will go ballistic. To everybody watching this series, this will be proof that Salt Lake City fans are pretty callous and don't have much compassion. Whether you agree or not, that WILL be the impression being sent out. You don't boo because he's a Laker. You boo because you think he exploited his daughter's illness to deliberately screw over your team. You boo because your owner took the high road by releasing him but then changed his mind and came up with a neat conspiracy theory to get you to buy more tickets. All I can say is - his plan his worked... until now: the end of your season.



- Miguelinho



FACT: The series will not come back to LA.

2008-05-09T17:16:00.000-06:00

FACT: The series will not come back to LA.



Agree 100% UtesFan

2008-05-09T16:24:00.000-06:00

Agree 100% UtesFan



I had a huge post about this, but it didn't post f...

2008-05-09T15:43:00.000-06:00

I had a huge post about this, but it didn't post for some reason. To quickly recap...

While I have questioned Fisher's leaving for LA, I would never boo Fisher the person (others might have... I can't speak for them). Things are more important than basketball... his daughter's life definitely falls in that category. The way it ended up just makes it seem weird, but still...

I boo for Fisher the Laker... just like I boo for every other Laker (even ex-Jazz Lakers like Malone) and other players on other teams.

You boo the opponent... everyone does that.

While I have no problem with cheering for Fisher at the introductions, you have to boo at him afterwards, don't you? I mean... he's an opponent trying to beat you.



It's not the ring. The motive may have been sketch...

2008-05-09T15:16:00.000-06:00

It's not the ring. The motive may have been sketchy. That is what we are saying.

The point is, I don't want to hear Lakers fans continue to rag on Jazz for booing D-Fish. When they grow up and become Jazz fans, they can cheer him all they want. Until then, we can boo with class. Lots of class.



What is the other motive y'all are talking about h...

2008-05-09T15:08:00.000-06:00

What is the other motive y'all are talking about him leaving for?



What is the other motive y'all are talking about h...

2008-05-09T15:07:00.000-06:00

What is the other motive y'all are talking about him leaving for?



anybody who thinks that this series is going back ...

2008-05-09T14:56:00.000-06:00

anybody who thinks that this series is going back to LA tied 2-2 is crazy. the lakers are going to win one game in utah and finish the jazz off in game 5



The Fisher/Golden St. analogy that Laker fans are ...

2008-05-09T13:55:00.000-06:00

The Fisher/Golden St. analogy that Laker fans are tying to make is a poor one. He signed with the Warriors. The Warriors suck. You can bet the reaction would have been different had Fish signed with, say, the Spurs. Fish would've been given a standing O in his return to ESA had he signed with anyone but the Lakers.


The Jazz get a lot of credit for letting Fish walk away from his contract, but it was a bad business move by Miller and O'Connor to not make some stipulations. Okay, we'll let you out of your contract, but you can't sign with any team in the Western Conference.



Where did I say he left for a ring?

2008-05-09T13:15:00.000-06:00

Where did I say he left for a ring?



If you look at it now, it might look suspicious. B...

2008-05-09T11:54:00.000-06:00

If you look at it now, it might look suspicious. But if you at it when he signed it is different. At the time he left the better team, the Jazz, to a worse team, the Lakers (were in some serious turmoil, Kobe demanding a trade and such) so it doesn't make sense as a person who wants to win. 2nd he knew he would be starting with the Lakers given Farmar and Smush were the previous point duo. No one knows 100% what the motive was but he didn't know the Lakers would be this good, so you can't say he was just going to try and get a ring.



It's okay. She graduated with three kids anyway, s...

2008-05-09T11:35:00.000-06:00

It's okay. She graduated with three kids anyway, so I'm sure it was for the best.

I appreciate your concern.



Good post... well captured.

2008-05-09T11:17:00.000-06:00

Good post... well captured.



Nobody really cares what Jazz fan does...it's just...

2008-05-09T11:09:00.000-06:00

Nobody really cares what Jazz fan does...it's just an opportunity for Laker fan to rip on them and for the Laker team to get motivated.

Sorry to hear about that school dance, C.B. Sounds like you maybe need some counseling.



Series tied 2-2 going back to LA? Fact.

2008-05-09T10:44:00.000-06:00

Series tied 2-2 going back to LA? Fact.



Booing Fish viciously? - pretty lame.Caring about ...

2008-05-09T10:34:00.000-06:00

Booing Fish viciously? - pretty lame.

Caring about the booing? - even lamer.

Boo your ass off - Fish won't care.