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Updated: 2012-12-21T08:05:12.189-08:00

 



B&N is like my second home. Haven't picke...

2011-10-02T20:01:02.072-07:00

B&N is like my second home. Haven't picked up a book in quite a while.

Quite an OC there are you? I wouldn't bother correcting the placement of the books or just don't really notice that much. hehe.

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B&N is like my second home. Haven't picke...

2011-10-02T19:59:14.650-07:00

B&N is like my second home. Haven't picked up a book in quite a while.

Quite an OC there are you? I wouldn't bother correcting the placement of the books or just don't really notice that much. hehe.

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BISAC categories would be used by a publisher to s...

2008-07-30T22:17:00.000-07:00

BISAC categories would be used by a publisher to send data to a trading partner such as Amazon. Their utility for bookstore shelving decisions is limited. That's why a "bookstore category" is printed on the cover of the book.

But what exactly is a "bookstore category"? It's something invented by marketing types, without reference to any standards. BISAC is an industry standard.

As a database administrator for an academic publisher, I can tell you that our marketing team is still searching for an authoritative list of "bookstore categories". Please try not to get your noses bent too far out of shape if the people who sell books for a living persist in putting books where they will sell.

Even academic publishers play this game, which is called -- biologists take note -- survival.



Dear Ste: The B&N in Lincoln, Nebraska has NO scie...

2007-12-27T10:14:00.000-08:00

Dear Ste: The B&N in Lincoln, Nebraska has NO science section, but has two very large, tall aisles devoted to religion and a smaller section devoted to the genre of science fiction. We found this appalling. I think the larger problem is that B&N is responding to what sells, which rarely includes academic books. You may want to investigate which communities have a science section and those that don't. We would be interested to know how corporate headquarters responds to this issue. Good luck. Best, Ted and Mary Anne



i work for b&n and have to tell you that bookselle...

2007-11-10T21:35:00.000-08:00

i work for b&n and have to tell you that booksellers are not responsible for deciding where the books go. that is decided upon by the publishers and book buyers at the home office in new york. don't be one of those know-it-all customers who tell us how to do our jobs. it's just annoying and rude, as is re-shelving the books. we have enough work to do cleaning up after ungrateful slobs like you. i hope that one day you have no choice but to work in retail, then we'll see how you enjoy it. have a nice day!




2007-11-10T21:32:00.000-08:00

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Thanks Barb, I'll make sure these get linked from ...

2007-09-19T00:37:00.000-07:00

Thanks Barb, I'll make sure these get linked from an upcoming post.

Cheers,
~ Ste



I have just posted 2 petitions in support of this ...

2007-09-16T12:50:00.000-07:00

I have just posted 2 petitions in support of this very effort!

The first petition is for scientists (the experts on what science is and what science is not) can be found at:
http://sciencea2z.com/z_petition_1/

The second petition is for non-scientists who support removing id books from science shelves can be found at:
http://sciencea2z.com/z_petition_2/

One of the signees send me your blog. Wahoo!



Well, you can leave as many notes as you want but ...

2007-08-27T10:39:00.000-07:00

Well, you can leave as many notes as you want but you're wasting your time. The company has those books listed in those sections in their national inventory computer and when the bookseller's go through their section and scan each title (as they are supposed to do everyday), the PDT computer will inform the associate that the book belongs in science and not religion. Whilst I disagree with this, unfortunately the publisher has categorized those titles as science and B&N must adhere.

Your best bet would be to send a letter to their headquarters in New York City. More specifically to the buyer who keeps up the store's inventory of those particular titles. It'll probably be the science book buyer, or some similar title.

Hope that helps,

-E



Amanda said... >>>>> To everyone complaining that ...

2007-08-04T15:41:00.000-07:00

Amanda said...

>>>>> To everyone complaining that this (humorous approach to a phenomenon disgracing scientists and humans throughout bookstores) is making more work for the employees: more work = more jobs. <<<<<

This misshelving might not only result in a lost sale when the book cannot be found, but could also result in a lost customer. One of the main reasons why people still buy books at bookstores instead of buying books online is that books can be thoroughly examined before purchase at a bookstore.



To everyone complaining that this (humorous approa...

2007-08-04T00:27:00.000-07:00

To everyone complaining that this (humorous approach to a phenomenon disgracing scientists and humans throughout bookstores) is making more work for the employees: more work = more jobs.
I think you are doing a double service for our fellow earthlings!!



"I firmly believe that these "pseudo-science" book...

2007-08-02T22:43:00.000-07:00

"I firmly believe that these "pseudo-science" books have no place in the "science" section due to the fact that people will take them as such"

Well yeah, but for some reason they keep shelving all this drivel by Dawkins and others in the science section.

I also like your implicit, "but think of the children" cry. Nothing like appealing to "saving the children" to justify censorship.



I am a chemist and I find the issue of published s...

2007-08-02T15:35:00.000-07:00

I am a chemist and I find the issue of published science to be an interesting one. People who do not have a scientific background rely on certain classifications, warning labels, statistical analyses, etc., to help them make decisions as to what is credible. Fortunately in the arena of scientific writing we have peer-reviewed journals that aim to ensure the distribution of rigorously tested information. However, with books distributed for commercial gain, there is very little discernment of this sort. We readily accept that a novel will not necessarily tell us the truth, because it is labeled "fiction", but a book labeled "science" leads us to believe we will be getting factual information. I firmly believe that these "pseudo-science" books have no place in the "science" section due to the fact that people will take them as such. This is dangerous. Imagine a book condoning smoking while pregnant or describing the benefits of leaches instead of blood transfusions being shelved in modern "medical" sections!

As to the previous complaints about causing more work for bookstore employees, I have a comment: I worked in a video store for 5 years and people would constantly put things back in the wrong places, sometimes accidentally and sometimes out of sheer laziness. But occasionally we would find Donald Duck videos mixed in with the "soft porn" section and due to the consistency of their cartoon preferences, I am fairly certain it was intentional. Now, whether or not they ardently believed that duck was sexy and seriously took issue with our organization system is up for debate, but it did give us quite a chuckle every time we had to re-shelve it. My overlong point is that compared to the myriad hours re-shelving due to stupid laziness on the part of the customers, the few minutes spent as the result of the prank were no big deal and often a source of much-needed amusement. I agree with Ste: get a damn sense of humor!



"*Yawn* You've already made up your mind and no co...

2007-08-01T22:24:00.000-07:00

"*Yawn* You've already made up your mind and no conversation or evidence to the contrary will change it. At least your behavior is consistent."

Hey make an arse of yourself and communicate to people that you are afraid of Mike's book.

I encourage this behavior on your part because it certainly communicates a message I have no problem with you communicating.



*sigh*"Who are you to question the management's ju...

2007-08-01T22:14:00.000-07:00

*sigh*

"Who are you to question the management's judgment?"

Pay attention. I'm a biologist.

~

"Yes i'm sure you believe that. That is not what your actions communicate though..."

*Yawn* You've already made up your mind and no conversation or evidence to the contrary will change it. At least your behavior is consistent.

Just to let you know, scientists laugh at this creationist BS. They find it genuinely funny. Fear is the last thing on our minds - until the religion starts to be pushed into science classes.

~

"We are not impressed"

You are so far from being saved, there's no point in trying. You are not the target of my escapades.

Geez people, have a sense of humor.



Ste- we see you making a statement. At the expens...

2007-08-01T21:49:00.000-07:00

Ste- we see you making a statement. At the expense of others. And then throwing your arm out to pat yourself on the back.

We are not impressed.



"Ok. I'll make it clear for you.I am drawing a dis...

2007-08-01T21:38:00.000-07:00

"Ok. I'll make it clear for you.

I am drawing a distinct line between science and nonscience. I feel like it is an important one to make."

Yes i'm sure you believe that. That is not what your actions communicate though. Your actions communicate fear and a desire to censor that which challenges your personal dogma.

You can say whatever you like, but your actions communicate a different message, even if that is not the message you intend to communicate.



The store management did not put these books in th...

2007-08-01T19:47:00.000-07:00

The store management did not put these books in the science section to make a statement -- the management put them there to try to sell them. Who are you to question the management's judgment?

The Edge of Evolution is much more likely to sell in the science section than in the "religious fiction" section.



Ok. I'll make it clear for you.I am drawing a dist...

2007-08-01T17:11:00.000-07:00

Ok. I'll make it clear for you.

I am drawing a distinct line between science and nonscience. I feel like it is an important one to make.

That's it.

~ Ste



"His books are not unsettling, they are an affront...

2007-08-01T17:05:00.000-07:00

"His books are not unsettling, they are an affront to good science. And when they are found next to absolute, literal geniuses in the bookstore it is offensive."

You don't have a right not to be offended. A store does have a right not to have to endure this petty vandalism.

But more than that, you behavior and attempts at censorship give the impression you are scared of the book and don't want people reading it because they might get hetrodox ideas.

And frankly, deny it all you want, actions speak far far louder than words in this sort of thing.



No, but using political office to force your perso...

2007-08-01T15:47:00.000-07:00

No, but using political office to force your personal religion as scientific fact in schools is. I was saying we need to make it VERY clear what is science and what is pseudo-scientific junk before it gets to the stage when certain religious groups start trying to brainwash children.

Anyone can publish a book - and that's kind of the point. EVERY SINGLE PAPER submitted to peer-review IS logically torn apart. Doing an end-run around the scientific process does not help your cause. The peer-review process would not accept ID, not because of some grand conspiracy, but because the supernatural is not an explanation that is acceptable to science.

Look, ID is an interesting concept. It's a pretty fun, cool idea. I mean, God could be the cause of every single mutation that is the raw material for selection - and even if this was the actual truth of the universe, science would have NOTHING to say on the matter. It would still search for naturalistic reasons for why these mutations are happening. Science cannot detect the supernatural. This is why there are a ton of devout, religious scientists out there perfect at peace with the world - and plenty of devout, religious people with no problem with evolution (including the Pope, it seems: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/).

I'm not saying that ID is not the truth, just that it is not science.

So go ahead and believe in your Intelligent Design, just don't expect people to take it seriously as a scientific concept.

~ Ste



Ste- Publishing a book is "shoving it down our chi...

2007-08-01T15:27:00.000-07:00

Ste- Publishing a book is "shoving it down our children's throats"?

The problem with peer review is the witch hunt that goes out if anyone is *suspected* of sympathy with ID-- now, if stuff were allowed to be publish and then *logically* torn apart, that would indicate that there are flaws.

When someone blocks stuff from being published, then insists that means that there is a problem with the theory because it was not published... well, that is something else.



Also, you stupid fathead, you are going to start...

2007-08-01T07:43:00.000-07:00

Also, you stupid fathead, you are going to start a reshelving war, with Darwinist books being reshelved in other sections. Two can play this game. I demand that you cease and desist immediately.



In fact, I am going to call the Barnes & Noble st...

2007-08-01T02:00:00.000-07:00

In fact, I am going to call the Barnes & Noble store in Irvine and make this suggestion.



The surest way for Barnes & Noble to put a stop to...

2007-08-01T01:55:00.000-07:00

The surest way for Barnes & Noble to put a stop to these shenanigans is to put the book in the best-seller sections throughout the chain. And for good measure, they could add other pro-ID and anti-Darwinist books to the best-seller sections, e.g., Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design, Icons of Evolution, and Traipsing Into Evolution. Then B & N could move the pro-Darwinist books to the fiction section. This reshelving problem will then be cured forever. I guarantee it.