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LOL. Thanks for the perspective, Field. I sincerel...

2008-05-09T23:09:00.000-04:00

LOL. Thanks for the perspective, Field. I sincerely appreciate it.

Didn't figure I'd change Constructive's mind, actually. For a moment there, I thought HE might have something to add to MY knowledge or even a point to challenge my own thinking. Then he just added more noise instead of talking and well...

...at least this time I didn't call him out on the playground for a fight like I did with Nsangoma. I'm learning better when to cut my losses...I hope.

;-)



deacon blue, you cannot reason with someone you wi...

2008-05-09T22:13:00.000-04:00

deacon blue, you cannot reason with someone you will never change. I am sure CF is one of those people who just loves the sound of his own voice. While you are trying to reason with him, he isn't even listening.

What he fails to understand is that many of us have been there done that with the right wing hustle. We have studied all the policies he likes to rant about, and at the end of the day,it's just more of the same.



OK, constructive, I give up trying to talk to you....

2008-05-08T23:28:00.000-04:00

OK, constructive, I give up trying to talk to you. I thought you were actually trying to have intelligent discourse for a moment there, but I was obviously deluding myself.

You continue to assume that I was somehow thrilled with the school system before. (I wasn't)

You seem to think I'm focused on schools heavy on minorities (I never brought race into the equation and think that aside from truly affluent schools, the ed system in general is screwed)

You claim I am against school vouchers. (I never mentioned them and I am, frankly, mostly neutral on the topic with a slight "pro" leaning).


You claim I am a liberal. (I am not. I may tilt toward the lefthand side of the fence, but I am moderate overall and hold several conservative beliefs).

I could go on, but since you're simply going to continue to make shit up about where I'm coming from, why bother? Again, I should have realized before when I pegged you as a Web bully that engaging you was pure folly. I allowed myself to be lulled into the misconception that perhaps you had taken some of my earlier words to heart and were truly trying to engage in dialogue.

What a chump I am to have fallen into that trap. Shame on me. Never again.



[quote]And by the way what could be more irrationa...

2008-05-07T21:22:00.000-04:00

[quote]And by the way what could be more irrational than defending a system that does not include you.

No matter how you label me or seek to justify this system the fact remains that it is antithetical to the interests of most human beings.[/quote]

mellaneous:

YOU "defend this system" each time you pay your invoice for services rendered from your cellphone provider, ISP and at the gasoline station. Your dollar is your ballot. My words are nothing more than some electronic bits stored on the hard drive of this site which Google paid SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS to acquire.

If this nation is against the interests of most human beings....why do you stay within the belly of the beast?

Why don't you reconcile yourself with the other parts of the world who are under the foot of this beast? When you live the lifestyle that they do rather than continue to consume the STOLEN FRUITS from the tree of DEATH then I will view you as a more committed soul.

mellaneous: would you give the land that you live upon back to a Native American who comes to claim it from you? How willing are you to assume personal material loss as a pretext of being loyal to your theories?



[quote]This takes time away from other teaching. H...

2008-05-07T21:15:00.000-04:00

[quote]This takes time away from other teaching. How could it NOT? [/quote]

Again - I take it that you were very pleased with the bang up results that occurred BEFORE NCLB?

[quote]
We have overcrowded classrooms...hell, they were too big when I was in high school and that was more than 20 years ago. [/quote]

Interesting. I never understand the line of reasoning from YOU or US Rep Kendrick Meeks in regards to how on the one hand you argue about OVERCROWEDED CLASS ROOMS and then you oppose SCHOOL VOUCHERS that would tend to REDUCE CLASS SIZES in these OVER CROWDED SCHOOLS!!

Why don't you admit that you are not against OVER CROWDED CLASSROOMS. You are instead for "less crowed Government Operated Schools with ALL STUDENTS WITHIN TRADITIONAL GOVERNMENT OPERATED SCHOOLS". If you at least admitted this you would be more in line with what is obvious.

[quote]
Teachers are expected to teach more kids with less support from their districts.[/quote]

I thought that now that THE PEOPLE THAT YOU FAVOR are in place running these school systems that the MAGIC would have kicked in right now. Let me ask you Deacon Blue - how many majority Black school systems have a fire breathing conservative antagonist running the show versus people who enjoy POPULAR support? STILL they are not delivering for you.

[quote]
Now the feds come in and say, if you don't do well enough on these standardized tests, that's proof that you're a failing school, and we're gonna knock you for it.[/quote]

Maybe, just maybe YOU WERE FAILING before the tests and the tests simply bear this out?

Here is what I don't understand about you libs, Deacon Blue. If and when the school systems degrade their standards and bestow a diploma upon those who would have otherwise FAILED and then these same people so how make their way through instructional training and thus show back up as TEACHERS in these same schools.....you would be the first among them to cry that these schools receive INCOMPETENT TEACHERS due to RACISM.

You never get the fact that YOU are the main ones who have lowered the standards and now the CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST. Everyone else is wise enough not to hire them.

As I see it Deacon Blue - the worst thing that can happen is for you to WIN and thus have your policies assume the prevailing position within the school system. It will surely fail.

Ok, so now schools have this extra requirement hanging over their heads. Getting enough kids to pass the standardized tests becomes a critical concern. Of course the schools now have to teach TO these tests if they aren't fortunate enough to have a student body that aces it.



@ Constructive FeedbackThis is something I will ra...

2008-05-06T23:09:00.000-04:00

@ Constructive Feedback

This is something I will rarely say, but empirical evidence doesn't mean shit. Not in the case of the NCLB Act and how wrong it is, that is. This is no-brainer AFAIC.

We have overcrowded classrooms...hell, they were too big when I was in high school and that was more than 20 years ago. Teachers are expected to teach more kids with less support from their districts. Now the feds come in and say, if you don't do well enough on these standardized tests, that's proof that you're a failing school, and we're gonna knock you for it.

Ok, so now schools have this extra requirement hanging over their heads. Getting enough kids to pass the standardized tests becomes a critical concern. Of course the schools now have to teach TO these tests if they aren't fortunate enough to have a student body that aces it.

This takes time away from other teaching. How could it NOT? And the hell of it is, standardized tests don't prove that kids are learning anything. I still don't know why so much stock is put in the ACT and SAT exams for college enrollment, for example. They are culturally biased and even if you ignore that, they don't prove you've learned anything. It's just some stupid rite of passage we have to go through. The medical establishment does the same thing with board certifications. Passing a certification exam in your speciality doesn't prove anything about whether you're a good doctor; but insurance companies often won't let you bill them unless you get certified.

Not to mention that fact that we create extra federal bureaucracy, and probably extra state and local bureaucracy, to administer the NCLB Act, which does little, if anything, substantive to HELP education.

The NCLB Act doesn't help the situation. It was an empty gesture made to look like proactive movement on education. It does nothing to put our schools back on par with what many (probably most) other developed nations have.

Ergo, it ain't helping...and it eats up extra time...therefore it hurts. Even if the hurt is only miniscule, it harms the educational system.

I think that's pretty logical. And you still haven't given one point of defense as to what positive outcomes the NCLB Act brings to the table. Convince me that it's adding something positive, and maybe I'll concede to you. Until then, it's a waste of time and a waste of money and it makes a bad situation worse.



[quote]Constructive: Since you have mislabeled me ...

2008-05-06T20:21:00.000-04:00

[quote]Constructive: Since you have mislabeled me and called me irrational though I seek to change the ship that is going down and since you have accused me of having an America, "love it or leave it attitude" all I can say is that I told you we were going to disagree.

And by the way what could be more irrational than defending a system that does not include you.[/quote]

Mellaneous:

Have you ever heard the story about the MAFIA WIFE who stayed with him because she wanted to CHANGE HIM?

She saw that he was not the owner of a small waste management company - he had too many shady friends who were mosters

She saw that he brought home more money than what a small company should bring in.

She lived in the mansion, wore the jewels, drove the car that his lifestyle afforded her.

Even though she told the police that she stopped sleeping with him as her sign of protest against all that he was doing as she tried to CHANGE HIM.....when the jury viewed her case they voted GUILTY because she was a CONSUMER of the lifestyle that the GANGSTER made possible.

What can we deduce about YOU and your attempts to CHANGE this vile and evil government?

What if a Native American came to you and told you that the property upon which you live is his ancestral burial ground and you should move immediately just as his people were moved? Would you punch him in the nose or go to the same court system who did not uphold his contract made with the USA 150 years ago when they stole the land that you now live upon?



[quote]Plus, you're not looking at the major issue...

2008-05-06T20:14:00.000-04:00

[quote]Plus, you're not looking at the major issues. If you want to put down local government, go ahead. [/quote]

The bottom line is that Black folks obtain more of our interfaces with government and are being short changed by government at the LOCAL LEVEL more than any other government entity.

* Schools - administrated by the local government

* Safe Streets - a function of the local government per the mayor that presides over the police chief who presides over the offices

* Economic Development - the ability to assign business licenses and approve zoning requests and to order the development of certain parcels of land into commercial enterprise zones is a unique function of the local government.



[quote]What I was suggesting is that the feds are ...

2008-05-06T20:09:00.000-04:00

[quote]What I was suggesting is that the feds are making a bad situation even worse. Becuase putting teachers into a position to have to teach to a standardized test doesn't do kids any justice.[/quote]

Deacon Blue:

Do you have any empirical evidence to support your claims that NCLB has made things worse - particularly in Inner City schools?

The sad and shitty part about it is that you can look at any inner city schools where our people are concentrated and they now have an administration in place that is otherwise favorable to the majority of Black folks and STILL there are problems.

Maybe this personal experience that I had recently is part of the problem?

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2008/04/snoop-dogg-lyrics-in-song-used-in.html




2008-05-06T16:51:00.000-04:00

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I used to live in Alaska. I have been informed by...

2008-05-06T14:50:00.000-04:00

I used to live in Alaska. I have been informed by geologists that that reserve wouldn't last 10 years, if that. Not to mention, it would take billions to build and drill. Not to mention, that unlike Prudhoe Bay, it was created as a true wilderness reserve and has a very delicate eco system.

But, what the hell, it doesn't matter anymore as we've wrecked everything else for the last 30 some odd years! The ice caps and glaciers that I used to see from the road are gone(in less than 15 years), and it's worse in places like Greenland and Iceland. And, no one seems to give a big rat's ass.

I say we should all buy scooters as a second vehicle. That way, on most days of the year, you'll get 100 mpg and save a lot of money, too. It's a small thing, but it could be a really good movement toward letting those rat bastards know we aint gonna keep guzzling from the poison trough.



Agree with that. It's almost as if no one in Amer...

2008-05-06T04:42:00.000-04:00

Agree with that. It's almost as if no one in America wants to sacrifice anymore for the greater good of their family, community, ethnic group, hell... sometimes even themselves. I did however think that by drilling in ANWAR that it would alleviate some parts surrounding our energy crisis. Even if it was only a short term solution while we attacked the issue on multiple fronts. I guess however I could be wrong. And America better wake up...Every great civilization has come and go and if the USA wants to remain "Head Honcho" it better tighten up......



Good stuff and how true! This country is going to...

2008-05-05T22:06:00.000-04:00

Good stuff and how true! This country is going to hell in a hand basket! (That's one of grandmother Jessie's sayings.)

We need to start calling into those right-wing radio shows asking for an accounting of the Cheney secret talks about energy. We need to start standing up to all of the Repubabbubbah's talking points (including the quote un-quote military) about the police action in Iraq and what the heck is going on with the Arabs and oil prices!

Brothers and sisters, quit lying down to all of this horse crap! You are being fed, at the trough, a bunch of stuff that is not good for the brain or the diet (CNN,FOX, etc)! It is time to protest, protect and speak loudly about how you are being used and abused! You have crappy jobs, no insurance and the house you live in may be gone any day (whether you own it or not).

Reverend Wright had one thing right and I am not going to add fuel to the fire! America was a great country and we can be that again, but only if WE, the PEOPLE decide that enough is enough! Power to the People! It is time to give up our conveniences and give in to the future!

Whitney B.



Great article. But what if the king doesn't want t...

2008-05-05T22:03:00.000-04:00

Great article. But what if the king doesn't want to hear the truth? I keep telling my boss, whose name actually is King, the truth and he hates it.



I was waiting on someone to mention China. For tho...

2008-05-05T21:56:00.000-04:00

I was waiting on someone to mention China. For those of us who have not been asleep, we know China owns America. Now, they are trying to kill as many of us they can by sending tainted products to America...and I don't think my conspiracy mind is too off about the tainted products coming from China.



Bige,This bill is designed encourage business to s...

2008-05-05T21:15:00.000-04:00

Bige,
This bill is designed encourage business to stay in the US. It has, in my opinion, an unfortunate name, but its intention is a good one... to encourage business to do business in the US... to provide jobs to people in this country and not ship their business overseas....



Bringing this up makes me wonder, why isn't any on...

2008-05-05T20:26:00.000-04:00

Bringing this up makes me wonder, why isn't any one talking about Obama's sponsorship and Hillary's cosponsorship of the patriot corporation act? Is this a honest CHANGE?
Are we now asking our corporate CEO's to wear flag pins in exchange for keeping workers at guaranteed minimum wages?Who is going to help the working class? Is this how spending down our capital and going into debt, and our chickens coming home to roost is the honesty RevWright was talking about?
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:s1945is.txt.pdf



~Who Will Tell the People?Hmmm, where hath I read ...

2008-05-05T18:08:00.000-04:00

~
Who Will Tell the People?
Hmmm, where hath I read that a'fore?

We are living on borrowed time and borrowed dimes.

Communist China will lend us the money to pay for the reduction in the Federal Gasoline Tax.
`



Hey Field forgive me if we are going overboard her...

2008-05-05T17:53:00.000-04:00

Hey Field forgive me if we are going overboard here because its obvious that me and Constructive Feedback are on different sides of the aisle.

Constructive: Since you have mislabeled me and called me irrational though I seek to change the ship that is going down and since you have accused me of having an America, "love it or leave it attitude" all I can say is that I told you we were going to disagree.

And by the way what could be more irrational than defending a system that does not include you.

No matter how you label me or seek to justify this system the fact remains that it is antithetical to the interests of most human beings. Since this is Field's blog I am not going to go there with you my friend I try to spend time discussing things with folks who want real change not those who want to defend this system of exploitation and oppression. And that's what it is no matter how you defend or how carefully you word your defense,or defend its techological advances it is lacking in simple humanity.

I don't buy your framework and I am not an anarchist.Worse things could happen than this filthy rag of a government looking up my computer address to harass me.

Since we are having civil discourse please spare the violence baiting (sleeper cell) talk, after all you did say that, you had," no problem with people criticizing this nation with the hope that it will improve." That is what I have spent a lot of my life doing in the real world not the abstract.



FieldYou nailed it. To the wall.This is exactly wh...

2008-05-05T17:15:00.000-04:00

Field

You nailed it. To the wall.

This is exactly what is staring us in the face while we're distracted with pitting the Cletus' against the Elitists.

Infrastructure, education and research is where we desperately need to focus our energies.



"Entitlement programs I believe have been earned b...

2008-05-05T17:09:00.000-04:00

"Entitlement programs I believe have been earned by the sweat of most people's brow, which is justification enough for me."
mellaneous: You got that right. It means the same thing. I would just say it differently-- that these so-called entitlement programs were fought for by working people and conceded to us by governmental officials from FDR on down so we wouldn't tear this f...ing country apart.
Constructive: I like some of the things you say, but, frankly, you're the one that's all over the place. Plus, you're not looking at the major issues. If you want to put down local government, go ahead. But the real deal is the federal treasury; and Republicans, the party of the rich, know it. The real money comes from defense contractors and insurance companies wrenching every penny it can out of the government in the name of fighting for democracy, fighting communism (Oh, sorry. They used that excuse up, huh?), homeland security, blah blah blah. Without the support of that federal treasury, local governments can't do much but increase property taxes to pay for police, firehouses and garbage collectors. That's why it's so important to make changes at the federal level.
One more thing: May I suggest some Miles Davis type cool jazz to cool you down. You sound a little stressed. Blessings.



@ Constructive FeedbackI never said education was ...

2008-05-05T16:49:00.000-04:00

@ Constructive Feedback

I never said education was a rousing success lately before the NCLB Act. What I was suggesting is that the feds are making a bad situation even worse. Becuase putting teachers into a position to have to teach to a standardized test doesn't do kids any justice. There is no doubt this takes time away in the classroom and it gives the teachers and administrators and state legislators who ARE lazy yet another excuse for why things are f-ed up.

I would ask you to tell me what you thinkg NCLB accompishes.