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Published: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 04:10:12 +0000

 



By: justin echeverry

Fri, 30 May 2008 23:24:05 +0000

I have a great idea on how to salvage our present situation as members of the capitalist conservative movement!! Lets make an open and honest effort to elect the democrat candidate with the very public message that we are willingly handing full control over to the socialist (democrats for those in rio-linda) because we want to show how useless they are as leaders.With the economic situation the way that it is I seriously doubt any of the coservation tactics, global warming agendas,feed the homeless programs,or best yet socialized medical programs will cause our economy to make any turn for the better.What the hell is the wolf in sheeps cloths Micain going to accomplish with a majority house and senate vote.Lets let them have it- let the blood be on the democrat party hands and at the same time send a clear message to the Washington blue bloods that what they are serving is not palitable ,that the American public has witnessed and embarrassed conservatism and were sticking to it win or lose! I am willing to accept political death for my beliefs,are you? p.s. Please excuse my grammar for i am a victim of the government school system.



By: busboy33

Mon, 26 May 2008 19:56:04 +0000

@manning: "All I can attest to is the present evil I see, hear, and have testimony about, of which there is a surfeit regarding Islam." (I haven't figured out how to make those fancy quote-boxes yet) You have seen absolutely nothing about the entire religion of Islam that does not directly and specifically endorse pure bloodshed and evil? Damn. Might I suggest you look somewhere aside from FoxNews/evangical pulpits? Do you really believe that a religion has accrued a billion adherents by focusing totally on mass evil? A Muslim could see Pastor Hagee's speeches and decide that they have all the proof that they need to decide that the entirety of Christianity is dedicated to the destruction of the planet and the torture and murder of all non-believers . . . but they would be woefully short-sighted if they did, as short-sighted as if I listened to Bin Ladin's speeches and decided that it represented the mainstream orthodoxy of the Muslim faith.. A complex theology isn't summed up in as few snippits of extreme zealots. To quote the Christian ruler that sheltered Mohammed during his flight, "the difference between our religions is this line" (drawing a line in the sand between them).



By: Dale

Sun, 25 May 2008 11:20:18 +0000

#18 TTT I agree, to a point, with your dimunition of the support of Israel by end-times proclaiming fundamentalists. But your depiction of that as the reason for Jewish support of Dems is far too simplistic. Many Jews care less about those sorts of issues as they are far more secular than that. Jewish traditional support for trade unionism, support for the needs of the poor, the rights of blacks, the peace movement, etc. Jews were also more likely to settle in urban areas which have always been Democrat strongholds. Furthermore, commitment to education has led to a greater proportion of Jewish folks being taught liberal notions. The end game for the pro-Israel evangelicals is certainly to be questioned. But it has to be far down the list of reasons for most Jews as to their liberal leanings in politics.



By: charles dorfman

Sun, 25 May 2008 03:45:55 +0000

19TTT Said: 11:07 am Syn, post #1: You really have no idea what Jewish Americans have to deal with. It is clueless and patronizing to suggest that all you need to do to earn their trust is to support the state of Israel. All of the candidates of both major parties support the state of Israel, so obviously it takes more than that. TTT So you DO know what Jewish Americans deal with? I suggest that you speak for yourself. I personally accept support from Evangelical Christians even if they do believe in "the rapture". That is what they believe. OK, I don't. In the meantime it's a heck of a lot better than Muslims who want you(me) dead NOW. And no I don't believe that all of the candidates support Israel. That one would be Barack Hussein Obama and he happens to be, guess what, the Democratic candidate for Potus.



By: mannning

Sat, 24 May 2008 20:48:18 +0000

#17 Bobwire: Manicheanism is far too complicated for me to understand. All I can attest to is the present evil I see, hear, and have testimony about, of which there is a surfeit regarding Islam.



By: TTT

Sat, 24 May 2008 16:07:52 +0000

Syn, post #1: You really have no idea what Jewish Americans have to deal with. It is clueless and patronizing to suggest that all you need to do to earn their trust is to support the state of Israel. All of the candidates of both major parties support the state of Israel, so obviously it takes more than that. Jews mostly vote Democrat because they recognize that the Republican Party's evangelical leaders are vicious anti-Semites. Hagee is typical, no different from Robertson and Falwell. He wants America to be a "Christian Nation," with special rights and privileges for Christians and a lessening of secularism, pluralism, and tolerance for minorities. Hagee and his ilk see every Jew as a dead body waiting to come out. Their entire worldview centers around the extermination of Judaism, through conversion and eventually Holocaust 2 (aka "the Rapture"), which they never ever ever EVER stop talking about. Past Jew-killings were justified, future Jew-killings are ordained. None of them has ever, or will ever, acknowledged Judaism as a viable sustainable religion, culture, or way of life. Jew-haters like Hagee and Robertson can keep their bribe money. They only want to protect Israel to hasten the day when all the Jews are consumed by fire, as foretold in their evil anti-Semitic armageddonist exterminationist fantasies. THAT is why most Jews don't vote Republican and never will.



By: Dale

Sat, 24 May 2008 14:43:09 +0000

10edward cropper Said: 2:39 pm I have no desire to defend John Hagee or Rod Parsley for anything they say or believe. They are free to say whatever they feel they need to say no matter how absurd or inflammatory I may think it to be. That’s called a Constitutional freedom. Based on some of the comments being put forward by those who are trying to explain John Hagee or Rod Parsley, including Rick Moran, it would appear for the most part they do not have much insight into their theological background. I disagree with both of them on many of their “prophetic” concepts, and would not express myself in the often obnoxious way they do, but I do not consider either of them to be bigots in any way. Strongly disagreeing with someone’s theological teachings does not necessarily a bigot make. I could not agree more. Christian exclusivity is essential Christian dogma. Christ said, "I am THE way The truth and THE life. No one goes to the Father but through ME." No equivocation there. I am in no way a supporter of the endtimes teachings of this part of the evangelical community. They are being consistant with their beliefs, and unwilling to backdown despite societal conventions. As to their positions on "sinners," I would be hard pressed to believe they do not consider themselves sinners, as that is also Biblical. What they oppose is rampant anti-Christian teachings in the secular world in general and in America in particular. And as to the Hitler comments, as a Christian, you are sort of given two options. Either God is in omnipotent control of the world, in which case he has the evil of Hitler and others to allow or stop; or the evil in the world is beyond His control. The problem of evil is one of the foremost challenges to Christian apologetics, for those who attempt to work through it. These comments are a rather ham-fisted attempt to do so. McCain is running for POTUS, a secular position. I have no doubt he understands the necessity of disavowing these comments, and did so willingly. The cost of such connections is higher than the benefit. One more thing: being a member of their flock would be McCain endorsing them; they endorsed him. This is the primary, and often unspoken, difference between Hagee/Parsley and Obama's problem with Wright.



By: bobwire

Sat, 24 May 2008 09:25:06 +0000

thank you manning for reminding me of the meaning of manicheanism! "The universe is divided between good and evil, and evil is irredeemable" Granting you that, can the Devil ever be greater than God? No? Then what is your problem...



By: Mark H.

Sat, 24 May 2008 04:28:55 +0000

"McCain uses conservatives by using the fear factor, that is, vote for me or you will get Obama." You may think he's using conservatives, and he may think he is as well, but I can assure you that that is a fantasy. He'll not get this conservative vote, and if he keeps going on with liberal rhetoric as he has been of late, this conservative may close his eyes and pull the lever for Obama -- in order to forestall the blame for the upcoming disaster that would've been cast upon the GOP when McCain does exactly what Obama would do anyway...



By: mannning

Sat, 24 May 2008 03:36:16 +0000

Throwing Parsley under the bus may prove to be more problematic than lancing the Hagee boil. The Ohio preacher’s anti-Islam spiel appeals to not only evangelicals, but to a segment of conservatives who fancy themselves Islamic scholars – perhaps because they’ve read some half baked analysis of a few lines from the Koran purporting to show that Muslims worship the moon – and are attracted by Parsley’s hellfire and damnation talk about Muslims and where they can stick it.
The implication of this statement is that you have a much better idea what 1.3 billion Muslims worship and how far their fanaticism and Jihadism will go than has a cast of Islamic scholars that have spent their lives exposing Islam for what it is. It is one thing, an admirable thing, to be charitable, respectful and tolerant toward your fellow man; it is another thing to be willfully foolish and steadfastly ignorant of the evil set before your eyes in the bold print of every Islamic sacred document, in ghastly photos of our dead and Muslim dead at their own hands, and in the spoken words of Muslims around the world. I just hope that such thinking reverses itself before it is too late for our nation. This Rod Parlsey is not known to me, but on Islam, he just might be in the right, judging by your words. How many of our people must die before we fully recognize this evil for what it is, and stop making platitudinous excuses for ruthlessness?