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Updated: 2017-11-08T09:38:34.754+02:00

 



B"HSpace Falcon,I usually don't allow comments fro...

2008-06-15T12:39:00.000+03:00

B"H

Space Falcon,

I usually don't allow comments from those who are as inaccessible as you.

Let me ask you this. Did we meet this Shabbath by any chance?

Inquiring minds want to know.



B"HYour first paragraph is not only self-hating, i...

2008-06-15T11:59:00.000+03:00

B"H

Your first paragraph is not only self-hating, it's wrong.

Your second paragraph: Why did Jews wear different kinds of clothing? Because we were dispersed around the world. The evil influences of assimilation set in, sometimes it was out of physical survival. Of course, it didn't do much for our spiritual survival. There are several examples of HaZa"L describing their own clothing. They didn't miss a thing. For example, being wrapped in a garment hayav tzitzith. You think the inyan of a "talith qatan" is from HaZa"L? Nope. It's about not sticking out amongst the goyim. What's our excuse now?

Kaftans? There's an interesting story about how Yerushalmi Hassidim came to wear the gold bekeshe and kaftan. There were sticking out too much in Eretz Yisrael. Long story short, they ended up wearing the right clothes for the wrong reasons {Arab pressure}. But hey, I'll take it. HaShem sometimes uses goyim as kelim.

Magen David? Interesting point, yet the Magen David goes back a bit farther than that. Modern day Hebrew has countless problems, but it's a start in the right direction.

Fourth paragraph: You seem to be forgetting the difference between hachmath hagoyim and shtuyoth hagoyim.

What does ANY of the above got to do with wedding bands? Nothing. As I said in the above, wedding bands have NEVER been a Jewish custom, and is just another artifact of assimilation.



it's easy enough to speak out against what's "goyi...

2008-06-15T10:04:00.000+03:00

it's easy enough to speak out against what's "goyish". It's a little harder when there really is no "Jewish" custom except complaining about goyishe ones.

Example: Clothes. As mentioned, Jews all over wore different kinds of clothes (you forgot turbans and kafkans - Sefardim/Mitzrachim/Arabs). Do you think that all the gedolim and Chazal just let that one slip by? Rather realize that there wasn't any serious problem to begin with because no one wants to wear non-descript robes and sandals for eternity (outside of Hare-Krishnas)?

Example: Magen dovid, a symbol that we only have because we were pretty much branded with it by most medieval kings. You won't find it in the beis hamikdash. Should we burn the Israeli flag Now?

There are so many things that just don't have any sort of original Jewish custom, and are rather widespread, making the entire argument without any real result.



B"HLOZ: You're right. A black hat isn't Jewish ei...

2008-05-14T00:33:00.000+03:00

B"H

LOZ: You're right. A black hat isn't Jewish either, nor is a Shtreimel (Russin/Ukrainian), nor tie (French) nor goatee (French - and I don't care which big rabbeim had goatees), nor any number of other things.

So, let's stop doing them. Let's be and act Jewish.

That "custom" you mentioned is pretty recent I'll bet....

JBM: Good point. I did mention a similar comment.



I'm surprised you left out a typical remark: The w...

2008-05-13T15:54:00.000+03:00

I'm surprised you left out a typical remark: The wedding band lets women know I'm spoken for...what's wrong with that? (BTW no wedding band here)...



why is it goyish to wear a ring? as opposed to wea...

2008-05-13T08:50:00.000+03:00

why is it goyish to wear a ring? as opposed to wearing a black hat? oh wait, i forgot that moshe rabbenu wore a black hat.

and btw, there was a custom in ashkenaz for for grooms to recieve a ring from the father-in-law. so i'm not sure where you get the idea that it isn't jewish to wear a ring.

(note that i'm talking just about wearing a ring, not about a doube ring ceremony)



Mazeartist: I get it..."band" music. Duh.Rafi:

2008-05-13T00:28:00.000+03:00

Mazeartist: I get it..."band" music. Duh.

Rafi: < guffaw >



I identify myself like this: Hi, I am Rafi. Nice t...

2008-05-13T00:21:00.000+03:00

I identify myself like this: Hi, I am Rafi. Nice to meet you.



Here it comes...I'm surprised no death threats yet...

2008-05-12T10:36:00.000+03:00

Here it comes...

I'm surprised no death threats yet. ;-)

JDJ: Oh, yeah, Jacob. That's REALLY mature. LOL ;-)

Mazeartist: Unless you made it yourself, I'd say you paid WAY too much for your wedding band. Won't make you take it off to you land here. ;-)

Rafi G.: Sssshhhh.... Don't tell anyone.

This raises an interesting question: How do YOU identify yourself.



you have Haredi readers? I thought Haredim dont ha...

2008-05-12T09:53:00.000+03:00

you have Haredi readers? I thought Haredim dont have internet



So what if my wedding band plays goyishe music?

2008-05-12T06:42:00.000+03:00

So what if my wedding band plays goyishe music?



Dude, bite me ;)I wear a wedding band and I like i...

2008-05-12T05:45:00.000+03:00

Dude, bite me ;)

I wear a wedding band and I like it.