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I saw it on a blog where the author on the blog wh...

2008-05-11T10:30:00.000-04:00

I saw it on a blog where the author on the blog who is very critical about the issues in our community posted about charges just brought against the author of the book. SOmeone posted this in the comment section - it is from the book by Pinter



anonymous,I asked because I would very much like t...

2008-05-11T09:51:00.000-04:00

anonymous,

I asked because I would very much like to find out the exact source for this story in the writings of Rav Chaim Vital.



"Simply throw them out as nonsense? just curious a...

2008-05-11T07:05:00.000-04:00

"Simply throw them out as nonsense? just curious as my mind is not made up on gilgul, but stories such as the below make me wonder."

Firstly, we do not know whether this story was ever intended true. It might have been intended as an example, rather than a truth or falsehood, in order to explain the workings of the world according to the Ari's conception of schar veOnesh.

Further, many details here seem added to spice it up. Was a "manicured lawn" really something ideal in the time and location of the Arizal, or is it a 20th century American ideal? I would really have to see it in the original.

Even if true, note that the story all happens in a *dream.* It is certainly possible to believe that this woman had this dream which consoled her. Does the story conclude that in fact the two predictive facts (the marriage in five years and the end to business troubles in one year) actually came to pass?

Even if they came to pass, know how Chazal treated dreams. For example, some believe that some dreams have predictive power. Shmuel says that one dreams about what one thinks about during the day. (And so this widow would naturally dream about her concerns.) And those who say some dreams have predictive power cite pesukim (IIRC from Yirmiyah) that such a dream is mostly nonsense (chaff) and a bit of prophecy (wheat). If so, we can readily dismiss the gilgul stuff as the nonsense.

But many other stories are simply made up. And others are unimpressive when really analyzed. And others are simply stories about mentally or emotionally unbalanced people.

Kol Tuv,
Josh



wHY?

2008-05-11T00:38:00.000-04:00

wHY?



Where did you find this excerpt?

2008-05-10T23:59:00.000-04:00

Where did you find this excerpt?



I am curious what you think about the below story ...

2008-05-10T22:54:00.000-04:00

I am curious what you think about the below story which is supposed to be from R CHaim Vital in the name of the Ari. How do non-believers in gilgul interpret these and other similar stories? Simply throw them out as nonsense? just curious as my mind is not made up on gilgul, but stories such as the below make me wonder.by Rabbi Leib Pinter Excerpted with permission from "DON'T GIVE UP." Published by ArtScroll/Mesorah Publications Ltd.[Note: The following story is about a woman named Rachel whose husband had died young, leaving her to care for their seven children. She was distraught and depressed, feeling as though she had been dealt a bad hand in life. The story appears in the 17th century writings of Rabbi Chaim Vital, who heard it from the famous kabbalist, the Arizal.] One night, as she was lying in bed, she began to ponder the fact that she was not alone in her plight; there were many women who had been widowed at a relatively young age. They had accepted their bitter lot and were happy. With thoughts such as these, she drifted into a sweet slumber and soon began to dream. In her dream, she saw people running, and she began to run as well. She ran and ran until she left the city and found herself in a dark forest. She continued running when suddenly, shafts of brilliant sunlight began illuminating everything around her. Ahead of her, she saw a large garden, full of beautiful flowers that gave off a heavenly scent and gentle brooks of water bubbling merrily all around. Then she beheld an elderly Jew dressed in a flowing white robe. He asked her if she wanted to see her husband. Her heart beating wildly, she answered in the affirmative and began following him. After a few moments, he stopped beside a giant tree that was full of beautiful blossoms. In the distance, she saw a manicured lawn, surrounded by a fence made of pure gold. In the middle of the lawn, a group of Jews dressed in colorful clothing sat around a table studying Torah. At the head sat a young man who was teaching them. The old man said to Rachel, "The class will finish in a moment, and then you can see him." She looked all around her and could barely believe her eyes. The class finished and the teacher began walking away. All of a sudden, Rachel recognized him! "Avraham!" she called out, and leaned weakly against the tree next to her. "Yes, it's me," replied her husband. The moment stretched out, and when she collected her senses Rachel asked, "Why did you leave me at such a young age?" Avraham answered gently, "Know, my precious wife, that the world in which you live is a barren land, where people are sent either to conclude certain matters, or to [rectify mistakes] that they committed previously. The True World is the one I am in now. "Before the lifetime in which I was married to you, I had already lived in the world. At that time, I was an outstanding Torah scholar, and well known for my piety and righteousness. I never married, because I didn't want to be interrupted from my studies. When I passed away, I was given permission to establish a yeshiva in Heaven. I began to ascend there, but when I rose to the highest level, and they found that I had never married and had children, I was sent back to the world to complete these tasks. I married you, and after our seventh child was born, I was called to return to my yeshiva in Heaven, where everyone was waiting for me. "I want you to know that it was a tremendous merit for you to have been married to me, for I am accorded much honor here, and eventually, we will be reunited and live here as one, in great joy and happiness." Rachel listened wide-eyed to all this, and when he finished speaking, she exclaimed, "I had no idea you were such a great scholar. The whole time we were together, you never had any time to study Torah!" Avraham replied, "Believe me, I didn't know either. Everything was concealed from me, and my sole purpose in being reincarnated was to fill one [...]



"German court rules Muslim girl must take coed swi...

2008-05-09T20:08:00.000-04:00

"German court rules Muslim girl must take coed swimming lessons. I side with the Muslim girl and her family on this, and don't think it is the role of the courts to determine what is and is not religiously acceptable, as they appear to have done here."

One day we will get it through our heads that the biggest threat to religious freedom in America of religion.



I put up this website on April 8 of this year. I h...

2008-05-09T18:32:00.000-04:00

I put up this website on April 8 of this year. I had nothing to do with R' Belsky.

I am a BT who has spent a lot of time in Chabad.

I am still Orthodox.

New site: "Chabad. What have I really gotten myself into? There are Jewish alternatives."

www.menschyisrael.org