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I know this is an old post, but I was just reading...

2008-10-27T23:04:00.000-04:00

I know this is an old post, but I was just reading an oped peice in today's post which made me ridiculously happy, as well as made me remember about this post.

enjoy!

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/why_meltdown_wont_stop_nyc_135425.htm



Mac, you are right that you didn't hear of Israel ...

2008-05-25T09:05:00.000-04:00

Mac, you are right that you didn't hear of Israel as an option for moving. Many of us who would like to make the move to Israel but really can't, for reasons that are real, not made up. My grandparents, parents and all my siblings are here in the US. Being a two hour drive or flight from them is hard but it is not cutting myself off. Our jobs are not readily available in Israel. I don't want a husband who commutes back to the States two weeks a month leaving us without him. Children may be at the age where uprooting them to another US city would be hard enough but taking them to Israel where everything is different may be too hard for them. We don't have parents who can bankroll the move to Israel or all the expensive air tickets so we or they can come and visit so we aren't cut off from our families or buy an apartment. Even though Yisroel is our homeland that doesn't always mean that it can be the land where my home is. At least not now.



I don't often comment on blogs, and I usually enjo...

2008-05-25T03:10:00.000-04:00

I don't often comment on blogs, and I usually enjoy reading yours and agree with what you have to say, but I can't help but notice that nowhere in this post do you mention leaving the US. I understand that different people have different perspectives on Israel as a state, but it is certainly less expensive to live here, even without counting the fact that this is our home, not America. Yes, it is difficult, but as you often imply, there are some things worth fighting for. Maybe instead of encouraging our people to populate a country we don't belong in, start encouraging them to fill our land.



Ethnocentrism and geocentrism is nothing new. Peo...

2008-05-23T08:48:00.000-04:00

Ethnocentrism and geocentrism is nothing new. People have for centuries become attached to where they live and have been willing to give their lives to protect those few acres. It's one reason why the Germans had so much success with their cry of "Deutchland uber alles." They'll divorce their spouses and leave their families with far less trouble then there would be if you suggest that they leave their land.



The only answer is to require visas for New Yorker...

2008-05-22T10:43:00.000-04:00

The only answer is to require visas for New Yorkers when they leave the "holy" city. We need a warning when they leave town. The rest of us will need heavy vaccinations for when they come and visit, otherwise we might be exposed to and catch the "gaivah" virus which NY and New Yorkers are infected with.



frumskeptic-Keep fighting the good fight...these p...

2008-05-22T09:12:00.000-04:00

frumskeptic-

Keep fighting the good fight...these people just don't get it!

You are my hero and totally represent all that NY stands for!

We know the truth, if they don't want this life...



If you are really interested in what cities cost a...

2008-05-22T08:14:00.000-04:00

If you are really interested in what cities cost across the board in the major divisions of the cost of living index go to

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0883960.html

If we could tone down the venom a little, this posting was for the purpose of pointing out that NYC and environs is not the center of the known world. Those who are having difficulty making it here have lots of choice for other places to go. Yes, New York has many opportunities in many areas; there is a high cost for access to those opportunities. The higher salaries that are available in NYC in some employment areas are balanced out by the higher cost of living. The problem arises when the cost of living exceeds income.

Where the differential between salaries and outlay is minimum, budgeting, cutting down or back, changing spending patterns may help to balance the difference. But there are some areas where all the good money management in the world won't help.

The consumer index says housing is 29% of the index. Surely no one is arguing that housing in NY is cheap, whether you rent or you buy. Frum Jews are limited in where they can live because of the requirement of a shul in walking distance and fairly close access to kosher shopping and access to yeshivot for children. Since housing is the single biggest chunk of the budgeting dollar, it is also the place where the biggest savings can take place by leaving the area where housing costs are mega high. Nor is housing the only area where NY is higher than other places.

And the key word is "choice." NY is one choice among many. For those who think it is the best choice or the only choice, enjoy the city! For those whose financial concerns/lifestyle concerns preclude their enjoying the city, there are other choices of places to live.



“Most of the stuff on television isn't worth watch...

2008-05-21T17:02:00.000-04:00

“Most of the stuff on television isn't worth watching and most frum Jews aren't going to be working in that industry. Broadway at $150 a ticket and up and two-fers scarce is no bargain and not a selling point for frum Jews anyway.”

You have totally missed the point. It’s not people watching these shows that is a selling point, it’s people profitting from these shows that is the selling point. These people are lawyers, accountants, programmers, makeup artists, camera techs, light techs, costume designers, real estate, fornuture...

"Frum skeptic, I think maybe you need to go back and repeat that economics course. Key to sales is also the idea of supply and demand. Your 10 stores will not necessarily result in lower prices in at least one of them. When an item is in high demand that is when a store can make its profit, and it won't make that profit by lowering prices..." I think you are the one that needs to take an economic class. If an item is in high demand and 10 stores sell it and there is a shortage of said item then they will raise the price. But if said item is a perishable good and it's not in short supply then stores will lower prices to attract customers and make sale.

"Did you ever wonder why they call that highway in New Jersey the Garden State Parkway? Because Jersey is the Garden State. It's not the farms in NY that are providing the produce for NYC, it's New Jersey. And Florida. And California. And Mexico. " Exactly so local NJ tomatoes are going to be cheaper, but everything else would actually cost more because it needs a special delivery but in small quantity. NY receives its deliveries in bulk. No small stops that are time consuming (and therefor more expensive to the driver).

Let's take pineapples for example. A large tanker docks in NY with a shipment of pineapples. It's very easy and cheap to distribute part of that shipment among NY stores. Then the other part of the shipment is taken all the way to Marlboro NJ, or Lakewood. It would take that driver a whole day of work to deliver it to NJ. Do you really think that will not be reflected on the cost of pineapples? So, yes, you would end up eating cheaper tomatoes and other locally grown stuff, but then again there is a thing called seasons. So, local tomatoes would be cheaper in NJ store in summer/fall but they would be more expensive in the winter and spring, because they would have to be shipped from afar.



are you people forgetting that NYC doesn't have a ...

2008-05-21T15:48:00.000-04:00

are you people forgetting that NYC doesn't have a tax on food? Or clothing?



eddie: The rise in gas prices isn't exlusive to N...

2008-05-21T15:41:00.000-04:00

eddie: The rise in gas prices isn't exlusive to NY, its everywhere. And produce *IS* cheaper in NY. I've been out of town quite often. I've been to Boston, upstate NY (not catskills where all frummies drive up the prices in the summer), and I've been to Pa, and other such places. and residential areas not tourist areas. The supermarkets DO cost more money. And it IS for the simple reason that NYers would walk the extra block for the 15 cents, while the guy in Pa wouldn't drive to save 15 cents when it costs him more than 15 cents to get to the next place.

And if you go about the gas prices, then it being "second nature" for someone to enter a car will automatically actually ELIMINATE their chances of wasting so much gas. So there we go...NY public transportation is already better, and cheaper.

"So yes, people may talk about NY a lot, and a lot of what they say is not positive"

What negative? We're rude, snobby, self-centered, modern, rich? WOW...all the negatives.

Its the green monster of jealousy. I wish I was able to have a big house and a lawn, but do I care? NO. because I dont compare myself to other people. THEY do. they've got nothing better on their heads. "Oh look, the nyer is bored, and he has something other to do than prance around the mall like an idiot pretending to shop."

"Oh look, a NY mom doesn't only bake cookies all day for her kids. She's a stay-at-home with a life, she gets to bake coookies and see people, because she doesnt have to spend hours driving everyone everywhere!"

"Darn I hate NYers they're so SNOBBY."

ooo...wow...such negatives. You got me...oh wait...they also think we live like animals right on top of each other. So what? You get used to it. You can actually mind your own business here.



Frum skeptic, I think maybe you need to go back an...

2008-05-21T15:21:00.000-04:00

Frum skeptic, I think maybe you need to go back and repeat that economics course. Key to sales is also the idea of supply and demand. Your 10 stores will not necessarily result in lower prices in at least one of them. When an item is in high demand that is when a store can make its profit, and it won't make that profit by lowering prices. Gas prices have climbed out of sight. Check all the stations in a neighborhood and you will find that they are pretty much the same in price, any difference amounting to only a very few pennies. Retailers react to high demand by raising prices, not lowering them. They know that people will buy no matter what.

But what about items that are not in high demand? If a store or two in the same neighborhood lowers its price on apples then the other stores have more than one option. They can lower their prices to match the ones in the stores selling for lower. They can reduce prices but not as low as the first store. They can remain the same price. They can offer a different product at a lower price. If they lower their prices, then the first store's advantage is over and customers can then choose by other criteria. If they remain the same they are still not going to be losing money because of the third option. They can offer another item that people want at a lower price than the first store. Customers are then faced with questions of how to continue their shopping. Do they go to store 1 for apples, store 2 for bananas, store 3 for potatoes, store 4 for pears etc., or do they choose one place to shop, take whatever is on sale there and save themselves time and traveling. Close proximity does not change the decisions that need to be made.

Nor are you correct that in a place with only a few stores in the area that prices will remain high because there is no competition. More than one is already competition. Moreover stores that are sole providers in an area are more subject to consumer demand. Taking the "I'm the only game in town" attitude does not result in consumer retention. In areas where getting into a car is second nature there is no such thing as being stuck with only one provider. In the era of the Internet and online shopping, there is no such thing as being stuck with only one provider.

Prices in NY are not lower than other places for basic necessities. It is not only rent that is higher here than anywhere else in the country. So is milk, and bread, and eggs and all the other "little" necessities people require. Can you get a bargain in NY? Of course you can, if you really shop around and are willing to put in the time and legwork, just as in any other area of the country.

Please just note also: being talked about is not always an indication of the "goodness" of a person or place. So yes, people may talk about NY a lot, and a lot of what they say is not positive.

By all means, defend your home town, but please, a little rationality in doing so. No place is all good or all evil, NYC included.



"Being in debt is becoming synonymous with living ...

2008-05-21T12:34:00.000-04:00

"Being in debt is becoming synonymous with living in NYC."

No, its synonymous with being an American. Listen to any talk-radio finance show, or read any newspaper, Americans are all, generally, very much in debt. Its not moving that would help frum people, its learning to budget, and learning to say no to the next trend that comes their way. I just read in the Yated how a gemach throws out donated "out-of-style" clothes because no one wants to wear it.

ARE YOU KIDDING? ever hear beggers can't be choosers? You can't afford clothes, take what you can get, don't whine its out of style.



"You can love where you live without slamming ever...

2008-05-21T12:20:00.000-04:00

"You can love where you live without slamming every place else. For a lot of us New York City is a nice place to visit but we wouldn't want to live there. Like Prof K said, it's a matter of choice."

Thats right. But if like Prof K says that NY isn't really the center of the world or the center of opportunity I feel obligated to defend the place.

Its NYC, its the most talked about city in the world, that was just one ridiculous statement for her to make, and then to claim everything here is expensive!! SO what...rent and gas is higher here? So don't rent for to long and use public transportation for as long as possible. But e/t else is cheaper.



jewtoo:Ever take an economics coursE?what happens ...

2008-05-21T12:14:00.000-04:00

jewtoo:

Ever take an economics coursE?
what happens if there are 10 stores selling apples in one place, and only 2 in another place? Where are the apples cheaper?

The place with 10 stores. Why? Because there is more competition in 10 than there is in two.

Its NY. If my corner store sells apples for $0.50 and the OTHER corner store...2 blocks away sells apples for $0.35 , and the other 4 blocks away is $0.45, I'm gonna go two blocks away, especially if I'm buying alot of apples...its alot of savings! And then i'll be gong to my corner store for the cheaper cereal, and the cheap apple store for the apples, the medium priced apple store for their cheap lemonade...etc.

In NJ the OTHER apple stores are a few MILES away. People who want the cheaper apple have to take into account the gas, the time, the shlep, the other price of products (the lemonade, the cereal), etc, therefore the price of the apples (produce generallY) in NY will be cheaper, because store owners in NJ know that fewer ppl will be willing to drive to their competitors store. So they limit their sales, and they limit things that just wouldn't be practical for NY business men to limit.

This is a fairly simple concept to grasp. really it is. 10 fruit stores ALL competing for your purchase will undoubtedly be cheaper than locations with fewer fruit stores, even if they are closer to the farms as you say.



People please, staying or leaving NY has nothing t...

2008-05-21T12:01:00.000-04:00

People please, staying or leaving NY has nothing to do with the city. A city is only a collection of cement and steel. It's the people that I wouldn't be able to leave. It's my family and my friends. It's the people I know for years and years and who I can count on if I need them. The city I could leave with no problem.



Frumskeptic,Did you ever wonder why they call that...

2008-05-21T10:40:00.000-04:00

Frumskeptic,
Did you ever wonder why they call that highway in New Jersey the Garden State Parkway? Because Jersey is the Garden State. It's not the farms in NY that are providing the produce for NYC, it's New Jersey. And Florida. And California. And Mexico. So New York imports all its produce and you seriously want me to believe that it's cheaper in NY then at the source in NJ? So your friends mother got a bargain at a fruit store. Bargains aren't just native to NY either.

Most of the stuff on television isn't worth watching and most frum Jews aren't going to be working in that industry. Broadway at $150 a ticket and up and two-fers scarce is no bargain and not a selling point for frum Jews anyway.

You can love where you live without slamming every place else. For a lot of us New York City is a nice place to visit but we wouldn't want to live there. Like Prof K said, it's a matter of choice.



and friends was mostly filmed outside of NY. so wh...

2008-05-20T23:48:00.000-04:00

and friends was mostly filmed outside of NY. so what?

They filmed enough IN NY, about NY, that it would encourage tourism (jobs right there- graphic designers for brochures, small busienss owners with random chachkes). Its frikkin NY! The entire country doesnt hate NYers b/c they're poor, and they lack opportunity.

Plus, NY got Broadway, the Ballet (American Ballet Company?) Lincoln Center- the MET-

seriously... ever hear "the grass is greener on the otherside?"

You may have it "cheaper" there, but it sure as hell won't be easier for everything else. Esepcially not after you're used to all the availability of the CHEAPER kosher food (yes, kosher food in NY is cheaper!!).

Heck, food in NY is generally cheaper. My moms friend lives in marlboro, NJ, and every time her MIL comes to visit (from Brooklyn) she brings a ton of food with her. And they're NOT kosher. Why? Because she can't bear for them to waste so much money on produce, which isn't only more expensive but is not as good in quality.



Oh, and Frum Skeptic, NYPD Blue was filmed in Los ...

2008-05-20T23:31:00.000-04:00

Oh, and Frum Skeptic, NYPD Blue was filmed in Los Angeles, not NYC.



Frum skeptic,Not quite sure which post written by ...

2008-05-20T23:28:00.000-04:00

Frum skeptic,

Not quite sure which post written by whom you are responding to. This posting said that NYC is the most expensive city in the US, an undeniable fact. It further said that if you can't afford to live here, if you are feeling the pinch, there are less expensive CITIES in the US to move to. I don't remember recommending moving to a commune in North Dakota.

Of course there are opportunities for employment in New York.Just as there are opportunities for employment in the rest of the country.

Re Touro, it is Middle States Certified--same group that certifies Columbia and NYU. They clearly know more then the people who bash it for no other reason than it is under frum auspices. Strange, Harvard and Yale began as divinity schools and still have them.

Re television, we clearly watch different shows, and most of mine are not produced here in NY. And then of course there is the fact that Los Angeles is the movie capitol of the US.

This isn't about a pissing contest between cities for title of "greatest city in the universe." This is about making choices and having choices. One such choice is choosing not to live in NY. Another choice is to live within your means (so not a NY idea).



The point, is that there ARE more opportunities in...

2008-05-20T22:43:00.000-04:00

The point, is that there ARE more opportunities in NY. When it comes down to it, no one gives two hoots if your college was University or a College, as long as you got yourself a degree, even if it is from Touro, or some other crappy religious college (ie AGSC). hehe..

Anyway, there ARE more opportunities in NY. you have to be blind not to see it. In the 50's there was a rise in suburban areas, and that was because living in - or close to a city- was extremely profitable. You lose one job, theres another a block away! And NY is THE city. Its the city that NEVER sleeps. There are more 24/7 stores than anywhere else (more jobs right there), and for heavens sake--- its a CITY. What moron denies the opportunities a city offers? almost 95% of the time if a member of the family is lookng for a job, they move closer to a city!!!!!!

Seriously now... how do you deny NY?? Its the capital of everything.

Do you not watch TV? every decent commercial - filmed in NY-
Seinfeld, Friends, Gossip Girl, Everybody loves raymond (ok, LI, but suburban NY), King of Queens, Jeffersons, All in the Family, Different Strokes, NYPD blue, etc.

All those actors, directors, producers...they need people to support the shows. Not just cooking, cleaning, ironing. They need programmers to help the staions determine times, they need secretaries, lawyers, accountants, real-estate agents, stock brokers, decorators, etc... You're not going to find a necessity for all these people outside of cities...and NY IS the city.

As much as frum people happen to be snobby and annoying in NY, that doesnt mean you should go and tell people that they should move. If the guy is in kolel, he sure as hell should move, no one wants to pay his expensive NY rent bill, but if a guy has a job here, he sure as hell SHOULDn't move. where else would his daughter find someone be willing to pay her $10/hr to babysit? Not in a location where the average salary is minimum wage...
sorry...but NY is awesome. Its to expensive for you? Learn to budget, or stop having kids you can't afford, but don't deny the frikkin purpose of the city.



Mlevin,Let me repeat something I said before. The...

2008-05-20T17:00:00.000-04:00

Mlevin,

Let me repeat something I said before. The word college in the name of an institution does not make them a college as commonly understood. Some are vocational/technical schools. I would imagine that the New York school of interior design that you have on your list belongs there. Universities comprise many different colleges and graduate specialty divisions, but they are all linked under the name of the University, even when their separate name is known. You cannot become a University unless you have at least two PhD level majors/divisions, not counting medicine or law. In your list above Albert Einstein college of Medicine is a division of Yeshiva University. The Bank Street College of Education is part of Columbia. Alliance Graduate School of counseling is an interesting one of you look into it further. And it is not accredited by any of the regional associations.

The Alliance Graduate School of Counseling has been developed by The Alliance Theological Seminary as a program offering a biblically grounded Master of Arts, Counseling degree from a historic evangelical Christian perspective. Graduates will be academically prepared to provide professional counseling that effectively addresses the psychospiritual needs of distressed human beings and damaged relationships.

Students choose Alliance Graduate School of Counseling for various reasons. Some intend to pursue professional careers in counseling, while others are seeking to gain personal enrichment and more effective ministry skills. Some reside on the main campus while many choose to commute, taking advantage of the convenient scheduling. Whatever the reason, AGSC is a community of men and women committed to furthering their ability to minister God's healing.
They are a diverse group of qualified individuals who come from a variety of backgrounds and countries. AGSC is authorized under federal law to enroll non-immigrant students (F-1 status) and welcomes qualified students from other countries who are pursuing further training and preparation for gospel ministry in their own countries.

In short, just because it says it is a college doesn't make it one.



ProfK I said:“NY is the city with more colleges/un...

2008-05-20T16:04:00.000-04:00

ProfK I said:“NY is the city with more colleges/universities then anywhere else in the US.” I did not say that NY has the best education of the US. We were talking about apportunities in NY. You seem to think that moving away so that people could save on rent will solve most families’ financial problems. I, on the other hand, pointed out that NY has more job apportunities than anywhere else and moving away for the sole purpose to pay less rent is irresponsible.

Then I pointed out various industries available in NY. (finance, import/export, entertaiment, education, tourism, IT) I left out many others such as fashion and publishing, because there are just too many list them all.

Re transportation. Yes, NY has subway but it also has a great public bus transportation. So, one does not need a car here. I do know people who do not have a car. If they go on vacation they rent one. Renting a car for one week per year is a lot cheaper then owning a car. I have no idea why you don’t know anyone without a car. May be it’s because you live only among frummies with entitelement mindset. My daughter has a few friends like that. They drive to school and to the train and anywhere else if it’s more then one block away, and then they complain about lack of funds, go into debt and etc. I do know that in Boston they have a Tram but it does not provide enough transportation to accomplish everything without a car. It provides enough to have one car instead of two.

Below is an incomplete list of NY’s private colleges. As you can see it is a lot more then 16. And SUNY/CUNY are not on this list.

Bronx
1 Albert Einstein college of Medicine
2 Fortham
3 Monroe

Booklyn
4 Boricua
5 Brooklyn Law School
6 Polytechnic
7 Pratt
8 St. Francis
9 St. Joseph
10 Long Island University
Queens
11 St. Johns
Manhattan
12 Alliance Graduate School of counseling
13 American Musical and Dramatic Academy
14 Metropolitan college of NY
15 Bank Street college of education
16 Barnard college
17 Berkley college
18 Columbia
19 Cooper Union
20 General Theological Seminary
21 Jewish theological seminary
22 Juiliard school
23 Laboratory Institute of Merchandizing
24 Manhattan School of Music
25 Marymount Manhattan college
26 New School Universaty
27 New York Academy of Art
28 New York college of Podiatric Medicine
29 New York film academy
30 New York law school
31 New York school of interior design
32 New York theological seminary
33 NYU
34 Pace
35 Pacific college of oriental medicine
36 Rockefellar university
37 School of visiual arts
38 St. Joseph’s seminary
39 Touro college
40 Union Theological seminary
41 Yeshiva University
Staten Island
42 Wagner College



Mlevin,Sorry but I'm with one foot out the door so...

2008-05-20T10:28:00.000-04:00

Mlevin,
Sorry but I'm with one foot out the door so let me answer briefly.

The government uses the "market basket" criteria when ranking cities. There are certain items that are included in that "basket," such as basic food stuffs that people use across the country, rents/mortgages, utilities, transportation. The items are all added up and then ranked by total amount. It is possible for one or a few items to be cheaper in what is an otherwise more expensive area, hence your Adirondacks example.

Boston appears in the ranking list for 10 most expensive cities to live in in the US. Not surprised that they spend on cars. They have a tramway by the way.

Still repeat a comment from before--if no one needs cars in Brooklyn because of the subway system, then how come there are so many there? Maybe I just know "car" people, but I really don't know anyone who lives in Brooklyn who doesn't have a car with the exception of one young married couple, and they are presently looking for a car to buy. Perhaps where there are huge apartment complexes you will find less car owners (Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens) because there is no place to park them. But where there are houses and space for cars, those cars appear, regardless of the public transportation available.

Re the colleges and universities, for brevity, those on the lists by state were, as I commented, only counted once even if they were colleges with many campuses or universities with many colleges. Thus Columbia University and CUNY get counted only once despite their having many branches. Those who rank and rate colleges/Universities only count in their systems those places that are under one of the regional accreditation associations. My listing included only colleges/universities that were not technical or vocational schools.

I did not say that NYC does not offer good schools, and certainly NYU and Cooper Union are good schools. But you were the one who commented that we have the best schools in the world here and the most. We don't have the best schools in the world or even the country here, nor do we have the most, certainly not when we compare to the total population those schools need to serve.



ProfK – I’m not sure what criteria US government w...

2008-05-19T16:47:00.000-04:00

ProfK – I’m not sure what criteria US government was using, but I’m stating my own experience and observation. When we traveled to Adirondacks every summer, we would schlep potatoes, curbies, and other vegetables with us. They were a lot cheaper in Brooklyn. Eggs in Brooklyn were cheaper, too, but we didn’t want to keep them in a car for a day. Berries for some reason were cheaper in Adirondacks. Meats and Milk were cheaper in Adirondacks too. Fish was cheaper in Brooklyn, but we caught our own. Also, there were other products cheaper in Adirondacks such as pasta and corn. So, if your staple is meat, milk, pasta and corn then yes, NY is more expensive. But if you include more raw fruits and vegetables then NY’s food is not more expensive.

Housing in NY is more expensive, no argument. But if you own a house rather then rent it, you will notice that proportionally your housing expenses are smaller and smaller. Also in combination with higher pay in NY then other places in the country and suddenly your housing expenses are not as great as they seem.

My husband has a good portion of his family living in Boston. We travel there on regular basis. Believe me one needs a car in Boston. Same is true for Chicago and San Francisco. New York is the only city in US where it is common for people not own cars and even not to have a driver’s license.

About colleges. We sat down yesterday and came up with more then 16 colleges in NYC. So whoever published that information is wrong, unless they were only counting Manhattan. And about top ranking colleges, again, I have no idea where you are getting your information. Columbia may be your only Ivy league school, but NY also has NYU, which is ranked really high. NY also has Cooper Union which is very highly ranked, too. I could go on, but you got my point.

Lion Of Zion – Meant Sewage plant does not affect air in SB. We never have any smell because it is too far. Those who live closer may have smellier air, but there is nothing next to the plant except for the 7/11, movie theater, hotel/motel, storage, gas station…

We live 20 minute walk from the Bay and 20 minute walk from the park. I consider that a walking distance. I know some people consider anything more then a block as driving only distance, but then again…

The point of restaurants is too show that SB is a nice and friendly, diverse, safe neighborhood. And you’re right we do have churches as well as shuls



I kind of looked at my time in NY like it was goin...

2008-05-19T08:28:00.000-04:00

I kind of looked at my time in NY like it was going to college. I didn't like all the classes, not all the professors really knew what they were talking about and the cost was way too expensive. But I got to meet lots of new people, got to discover what I wanted to do with my life and then I left and went back into the real world.