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If Mike Behe draws the tentative edge of evolution...

2008-05-30T00:33:00.000-05:00

If Mike Behe draws the tentative edge of evolution at 2 protein-protein binding sites, and even gives human sickle cell as one example, how does this one more example of HIV-1 refute his thesis? I think his book is still quite valid in its claims, even if there were many more examples. When you do the math, the number of protein-protein mutations couldn't have happened in 3 billion years. I'm not a biologist, but I don't find this one discovery changes much in his book other than he may want to include this example in a subsequent edition. But that's just me..



I admit I am only a fringe follower of the Creatio...

2007-11-05T17:52:00.000-06:00

I admit I am only a fringe follower of the Creationist/Evolutionist "discussion". A chain of evidence need not be entirely linked together to lead to a sound conclusion. It's certainly better than amorphous puffballs in the sky jibbiling the important bits.

When 99.99% of biologists provide *evidence* that evolution is a fact, it's hard to argue with sensibly.. (the other .01% are dead)

All the creationists have to say is "Because I said so". Sorry, that didn't for for my parents, it's certainly not going to work for some schlep who can't get his facts straight.

And I will be damned if I'll pay attention to an indivdiual who bases 90% of his argument (in one case) on the fact that his opponent is a woman! That alone should tell you something is not right with the man.

Such an individual belongs herded into a box canon with all the other racists and bigots. We can fence them in and feed them jelly-babies with a sling shot.

What's sad is that this kind of con game is not illegal. Behe's not trying to convince us that he's right - he's trying to convince his fellow creationists that he's trying to convince us. Thus, he can legitimately ask for money to support his "good fight"

Oh.. wait.. that's just what the church does... go figure.

Unfortunatey, Evolutionists (I really hate that tag, but will use it for now) are in a lose/lose situation with his ilk. If we ignore him, he's won (in the eyes of his supporters). If we respond in ANY fashion, we're either misrepresenting what he said, , not answering his challenges, or mis-quoted so as to appear either wrong or supporting his position.

It's obvious that the Jihadists are not the only ones who believe that anything done in the name of God is acceptable.



Great!

2007-11-05T16:05:00.000-06:00

Great!



I'd just like to point out that the changes in the...

2007-11-05T14:51:00.000-06:00

I'd just like to point out that the changes in the spread of subtype C HIV-1 is due to HIV-1 subtype C gaining a new binding site, DXXXLLR, which binds to AP proteins on clatherin coated pits, and targets the Vpu protein to the cell membrane, rather than the Golgi apparatus. This slows down the destruction of CD4, allowing the cell to live longer.

Once again, a new binding site has arisen which has a significant biological effect, one that Behe is completely ignorant of.



Thank you very much for a well-written and polite ...

2007-11-05T14:16:00.000-06:00

Thank you very much for a well-written and polite critique of Behe's deliberate obscurantism. You've taken the high road and provided an evidence-laden, logical argument based in observation rather than dogma.

It's nice to see. You're on my blogroll, now - that was a great post.



Very nice.It's telling to see that Behe has disabl...

2007-11-05T12:46:00.000-06:00

Very nice.

It's telling to see that Behe has disabled comments on his blog posts now.



ERV, you've hit the big time! You've been discusse...

2007-11-05T11:48:00.000-06:00

ERV, you've hit the big time! You've been discussed and linked at Digby's Hullabaloo!



Wow. I think I love you. ID 'science' asskicking a...

2007-11-05T11:17:00.000-06:00

Wow. I think I love you. ID 'science' asskicking as part of a discussion of SHIVs? Hea-ven! You're on my blogroll now . . .



Seriously. I used to think that Behe had an agend...

2007-11-05T09:43:00.000-06:00

Seriously. I used to think that Behe had an agenda and was just blinded by his faith. He has become such a caricature that I now think he merely likes the attention (and the money). As you pointed it out beautifully (especially in the last few paragraphs) he's not even making an effort to make sense anymore. He's mailing it in because he knows the people who agree with him don't care what he says, and he will get ripped to shreds by science no matter what he says. It's getting sad (I guess it never wasn't).



Freud would call it "castration anxiety"No surpris...

2007-11-05T07:32:00.000-06:00

Freud would call it "castration anxiety"

No surprise that “doctor” Behe
(*snorfle* *chuckle* *giggle* *tee-hee*)
Will belittle, mock, misrepresent
The actions of a female

For since the time of Adam
Men could "rib" each miss or madam
And with Freudian analysis
Conclude they want to be male

Now he tries to bore and tire us
With a rant about a virus
That he clearly doesn’t comprehend
(one wonders if he can)

What I guess I really mean is
He is thinking with his penis
I suppose it’s too important that
He shows that he’s The Man.

Here.



Slower you progress to AIDS, the more time the vir...

2007-11-05T07:09:00.000-06:00

Slower you progress to AIDS, the more time the virus has to spread to new hosts.

The slower you progress to ass-kicking, the more time the creationists have to read the old posts.

I like the tactics of ERV's.

Okay, the post and comments have pitter-pattered all over this subject, but there was one more:

gaps are ultimately filled, and you [Behe] are left with your pants around your ankles

Creationist quote-mining leaves disturbing imagery. But I do think ERV stuck his credentials where they belong.



Wow, Behe is really pretty.

2007-11-05T06:42:00.000-06:00

Wow, Behe is really pretty.



You rock :-)

2007-11-05T03:00:00.000-06:00

You rock :-)



actually, if he does in fact have the Mel Gibson m...

2007-11-05T02:39:00.000-06:00

actually, if he does in fact have the Mel Gibson mentality going, instead of "a spirited little filly", he may go for "sugar tits".



To completely miss the point of this, and point ou...

2007-11-05T01:56:00.000-06:00

To completely miss the point of this, and point out an interesting connection with the spread of the less virulent serotype...

Abbie, do you know Sally Blower's work on TB epidemics? (Blower et al, Nat Med, Vol. 1, No. 8. (1995), pp. 815-821.) I'm sure someone's tried this model on HIV, but it's not a literature I keep up with. The time aren't all that different, and at the level of detail of SIR models, the transmission dynamics really aren't either.

Though if Behe does refer to you as a "right spirited little filly," it will make my day. Laughing that hard is good for the soul.



Nice take-down of his pathetic attempts of scienti...

2007-11-05T01:49:00.000-06:00

Nice take-down of his pathetic attempts of scientific-sounding arguments.

I also love how neo-Creationists (and old school Creationists for that matter) always hump their degrees, yet fail to recognize real authority on a subject (i.e. those doing science in the field). Behe's description of you is a prime example of that.

As an aside, I have a hard time getting some peoples' obsession with titles. I have yet to address any of my professors by anything but their first name, and would certainly never think of addressing them by their title (heck, I often don't know what their precise title is).



Your links to Behe's pictures shows he's looking m...

2007-11-05T01:17:00.000-06:00

Your links to Behe's pictures shows he's looking much better these days, and appears more intelligent than he did before.

Really, Abbie, Behe should not have sought to minimize you for this reason if none other:

He's now been thoroughly trashed point by point by a "mere" female pre-grad student. By minimizing you, he's made his own failing look all the more ridiculous.

The Behes of the world would like everyone to think of rational, scientific people as ideologically-driven, money-grubbing bullies.

Hmmm... Where do they get that image, I wonder?

-- HalfMooner



A thing of beauty is a joy forever. And this take...

2007-11-05T01:06:00.000-06:00

A thing of beauty is a joy forever. And this takedown of Behe is a thing of beauty.



Thanks for the links to Lindsay Lohan ;-)And of c...

2007-11-05T00:55:00.000-06:00

Thanks for the links to Lindsay Lohan ;-)

And of course, nothing hurts him more than the fact you are woman. He is a creationist because he is one of those pathetic, limp, self-loving men.



I like a girl with spirit!

2007-11-05T00:34:00.000-06:00

I like a girl with spirit!



Nicely done. And for a minute I was somewhat confu...

2007-11-05T00:18:00.000-06:00

Nicely done. And for a minute I was somewhat confused, with the notion that the least fit virus was the most common, but it all makes sense. Less fit=healthier host=more transmission. Learn something new everyday. And at only 1 AM on Monday, ahead of the curve.



Astronomy has more womens than any other scientifi...

2007-11-04T23:11:00.000-06:00

Astronomy has more womens than any other scientific field ;)



Good analisys. It's pity it will be completly misu...

2007-11-04T20:18:00.000-06:00

Good analisys. It's pity it will be completly misunderstood and ignored by its target.

And, btw, about "woman". As man, who, sometimes, take part in scientific conference, i can only regret there is too few womans in science. At least in physics. There talks are more pleasant to watch....:0



Nice job, Abbie. I expect a response from Behe whe...

2007-11-04T19:07:00.000-06:00

Nice job, Abbie. I expect a response from Behe wherein he ignores the evidence and refers to its source being a "right spirited little filly."