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Updated: 2018-04-18T20:03:40.980+01:00

 



Great article. I strongly believe that HCP support...

2015-02-05T21:46:55.366+00:00

Great article. I strongly believe that HCP supporting bf should start with properly helping the mums who tried and struggled to bf and then when it's seen as more normal push it to the less bothered.

I had a very bad experience with dd1 (think she has undiagnosed tongue tie, I had a csection) and ended up supplementing for a few weeks before EPIng for a year.

Dd2 was totally different, (csection after an attempted vbac), I was a peer supporter, I "shouted" and I got help. I ended up bf her until her third birthday.

Now she's 4 and I've "got over" my bf experience but it hurt a lot at the time.



Great article. I strongly believe that HCP support...

2015-02-05T21:46:30.267+00:00

Great article. I strongly believe that HCP supporting bf should start with properly helping the mums who tried and struggled to bf and then when it's seen as more normal push it to the less bothered.

I had a very bad experience with dd1 (think she has undiagnosed tongue tie, I had a csection) and ended up supplementing for a few weeks before EPIng for a year.

Dd2 was totally different, (csection after an attempted vbac), I was a peer supporter, I "shouted" and I got help. I ended up bf her until her third birthday.

Now she's 4 and I've "got over" my bf experience but it hurt a lot at the time.



you missed the point anon!!!!!!!!

2014-05-05T17:48:47.683+01:00

you missed the point anon!!!!!!!!



Anon Legion, seriously no need to use foul languag...

2014-05-05T06:56:31.271+01:00

Anon Legion, seriously no need to use foul language or such an accusative tone. It's distracting from a brilliant article which could just make one mum think about what her real choices are. This type of post instead is divisive. As a full term breastfeeding mother and trained peer supporter I say shame on you.




2014-05-05T06:53:40.761+01:00

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The problem is when the support fails. I was told ...

2014-05-04T22:57:56.661+01:00

The problem is when the support fails. I was told just to give my daughter a bottle as she can't breastfeed and can't be taught. Luckily I knew further places to look for more support and will keep trying but these other avenues of help aren't readily notified




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If we were not living in this day and age where we...

2014-03-08T02:40:59.766+00:00

If we were not living in this day and age where we have such mod cons to make our life easier, before 'formula' was invented lets say, would you let your baby starve to death? would you fuck, you would do anything and everything and persevere until your child took to the breast, rather than take the 'easy' way out, yes I said easy! because each and every female that gives birth to a child will lactate (bar for medical reasons, be it c-section confusing the body, or lack of a certain hormone to initiate lactation, although most if not all is correctable via medicinal means) so those of you lazy fuckers that try and palm off the fact your not breastfeeding on 'my hormones wouldn't allow' .. 'The baby wouldn't take' blah blah bull shit.. The fact you decided to have a baby, means you should have taken into account the sacrifice to your breasts that would come to pass, they get saggy, they lose their shape, their perkiness, but that is what your signing up for when you have a child, what does this moron know? they have no idea what it was like! blah.. I know 100% that you were not born to drink dried up reconstituted crap from birth, you and I were born to drink the milk of our mothers and there are no fucking exceptions. Yes we can survive on cows milk, goats milk, formula, etc and so forth, that's only because we have evolved to survive pretty much anything, while we think we are doing ok on this that and the other, our body sacrifices certain processes that ultimately lead to the degradation of cells that are fundamentally key to our continued health and vigour.. Do you think this happens overnight? So next time you chuck a bottle in a young child's mouth containing anything but breast milk, look them in the eye and remember what your stealing from them.



http://www.analyticalarmadillo.co.uk/2010/07/formu...

2013-02-27T03:54:42.188+00:00

http://www.analyticalarmadillo.co.uk/2010/07/formula-feeding-mums-start-shouting.html
Hello my name is Karen Holmes and I am the creator of the face book page Supportive Community when Breastfeeding Does not work out. I am also a counsellor and a retired La Leche League Leader. Thank you too for expressing your support for mums/moms when bf does not work out we certainly need more acceptance, compassion and support. I hope that one day this is more the norm and that mums/moms support each other regardless of how things go with infant feeding. We are so much stronger together than we are apart and in reality we have more in common than we realize. Change for the better for us all is also more likely if we are together with a united voice.
In regard to the AA post there are some really excellent points in it and there are also some misunderstandings there too. I have researched around this topic and done a lot of thinking on it. Lack of accurate information and support from health professionals can be one factor in why bf does not work out. Yet it is one of many and it is definitely way more complex than this. For some mums/moms there are medical issues for herself or her baby that can get in the way. For example, some mums/moms have insufficient glandular tissue and some babies have a cleft lip and palate which means they cannot draw milk themselves.
Also if we look at health professionals who we might expect to know about breastfeeding and we look at what goes on for them we uncover an even more complex set of difficulties to address. For example what impact do hospital policies have on how staff are with mum/moms? What funding is there for bf support? What training around bf and managing difficulties do staff have? What personal experience of infant feeding do staff have and how does this influence how they are with infant feeding? The truth is that we have got where we are today over many generations and there are so many contributing factors as to where we are today and no one thing is the complete answer. When we start to examine ALL of the contributing factors together and begin to address these in a compassionate way for all this is when real solid change will come IMO.
It is understandable that those that support mums/moms to bf will want with all their heart to find an answer to help mums/moms. Yet listening to mums/moms when bf has not worked out many have done exactly what AA advocates they have screamed out for help as loud as they were able , they have seen many people claiming to be able to help and yet breastfeeding still has not worked out. This is what is misunderstood and it hurts. Last week or the week before, there was a similar post from a bf helper seeing a mother’s faith in her own body as the answer to all her breastfeeding barriers. While well meaning and hopeful and definitely a factor again it cannot be a savoir alone. I posted it on the page and many mums/moms felt hurt by it. They felt hurt because the solution suggested was for mums/moms to keep persevering through difficulties until they succeed. The misunderstanding here is that from the stories on my page many mums/moms do that. They persevere until they reach crisis and cannot continue any more. They have persevered through immense pain and discomfort and still bf has not worked out. The answers are not always simple. I wish they were.



I love this. Thank you for posting it. So refresh...

2013-02-26T21:21:12.710+00:00

I love this. Thank you for posting it.

So refreshing to read something I agree with!

Support is out there and things do need to change.



OMG I have breastfed two girls struggle is an unde...

2013-02-25T20:21:10.907+00:00

OMG I have breastfed two girls struggle is an understatement I just never seemed to have enough, I would feed for 2 hours non stop and my babies would still scream as they where not fed, I asked everyone I knew what could be wrong I struggled for 9 months with my first as she wouldn't take a bottle and gave in at 6 months with my second. It is well document in my medical records that I have a severely under active thyroid I take 200mg of thyroxine and no, one not one professional suggested it could be my medication or condition. I feel sickened that it could have been the cause all along I felt like such a failure!!!!!!!!!!

As well as the constant pressure from family to give up and give a bottle. I personally am fed up with the comment, "mine where bottle fed and their alright" Science has evolved and the studies are factual! it's black and white the benefits of what nature intended is what the body naturally wants. The comment is arrogant. The fact is if you decide to bottle feed it is your choice that you have a right to chose but it doesn't validate the comment. If the child is "alright" being bottle fed, think how that individual may have excelled with breast milk!

This article is fantastic and support for new mums in breastfeeding should be standard!



I actually think there is plenty of support but ma...

2012-12-18T23:41:10.623+00:00

I actually think there is plenty of support but many people don't utilise it- around half the women on my birth board have given up BF after a few weeks even when told about Breast feeding groups, lactation consultants etc ... mostly because they want more sleep at night or want their partners to help with feeds or other selfish reasons.

People also seem to give up at the first problem they hit- rather than realising that mastitis will clear up many people just quit.

I think the support is out there; I had plenty of help in hospital, a phone call from BF councillor, been to a BF group and had lots of help from GP and HV when I have suffered with Thrush, mastitis and now Raynauds syndrome... I think if you are passionate about BF and know it is best for your child then you will persevere, but many people my age don't even bother to try in the first place for example a 24 year old friend of mine with a new baby who looked absolutely mortified when I said I BF my 6 week old and just couldnt understand why x



I think you're missing the point here, Anonymo...

2012-06-30T09:49:57.624+01:00

I think you're missing the point here, Anonymous. The very point this blog is making is that mothers SHOULDN'T be blamed, SHOULDN'T feel guilty, because the vast majority of the time mothers DO want to breastfeed and feel awful about 'not being able to'. The point that the article is making is about the lack of support, and the terrible advice these mothers get from professionals, not about whether mums are choosing to breastfeed, or for the duration of that feeding. You need to read it again to pick up on what it is actually saying.



Thanks to your mum Jehefinner! Fascinating read

2011-08-25T09:25:01.975+01:00

Thanks to your mum Jehefinner! Fascinating read



Since my daughters' have re-introduced my to b...

2011-08-22T18:35:53.136+01:00

Since my daughters' have re-introduced my to bfing I have learned so much. I understand how easy it is to be seduced by the bottle brigade, even more so with so much pressure from TV and formula firms 'telling it how it is'. I have nearly got into arguments with women who themselves tried, or who's children or friends tried and didn't succeed - or didn't even try. You can't tell anyone they could if they'd really wanted to, because they feel guilty. You can't then say they were not given the advice and support they were entitled to because by then you have been judgmental and unsympathetic. There is no way back. They tend to think my daughters are wacky and influenced by me, but since my d-i-law is being so successful and up-front about it (excuse the pun), I feel more able to talk about it as being so much more normal.
It takes a very confident mother to declare she is a bfeeder even today, and it is still difficult to ask a new mum how she is feeding her baby so it is the 'elephant in the room', as we must all be thinking it, as feeding is the all consuming occupation of every new mum for those first few weeks, and who knows if a gentle question from someone like me could help her to get the help she might be needing to stop her giving in.
Over to you to find this answer - simple really."



My mum wrote this, after she read this, having see...

2011-08-22T18:35:31.471+01:00

My mum wrote this, after she read this, having seen the link on my facebook page, but didn't know how to post a comment;

"I'm not sure I want to start this, as I feel I am personally out of touch with BFing even tho both my daughters did/are and my daughter-in-
law is. But my experiences (in the 60s) are quite varied and horrifying - seen from knowledge and attitude changes of today. The old adage 'if I had known then.....' is so true.
These are my 3 experiences. Firstly I was 100s of miles from my family when my children were born, not that that would have made much difference as they had no experience of bfing and I was a 'bottle baby' at the end of the war. My first daughter was born in 1966 and I only considered bfing because my husband, who was a agricultural scientist said you need to because it's better for the baby, like it is for baby animals! I had no idea about babies at all so just believed it would be that simple. I was 1 of only 2 mothers bfing in the home and had a million different nurses giving advice. But when I came out of the maternity home after a week, my nipples began to bleed and my husband drove to the next district as my own district nurse was on leave and we had no phone. I can remember this little witch of an old lady, bustled in took one look at me, put her arms round me (reducing me to tears), and said not to worry she had the very thing. A nipple shield - something I had never seen or heard of before. However within 24 hours I was up and running. I truly believe that old lady saved my sanity. It was actually a Sunday with no shops to get a bottle even it she had recommended it, so it was breast or nothing! Also I can only speculate where I would have ended up if my own district nurse had been available because she was of the 'bottle generation', and I fear that would have been her answer. I continued to feed my daughter till she was over 3 months. That doesn't seem much now, but in those days it was wacky, and I told very few people (even women) that I was, and managed mostly to be on my own to do it. I weaned her onto the bottle for no other reason than I was going home and wanted a night out with my friends and couldn't see any other way of getting this. Horrendous isn't it. I was given a hormone pill to dry up my (fantastic) milk supply and it took me 3 days to force myself to take it as neither my daughter nor I wanted the bottle.
My son who was born at home fed happily for about 6 weeks, but I was suffering with constipation and not wanting to take anything to upset him took the district nurse's advice and dosed myself with Andrews Liver Salts. My milk began to dry up, and I had no idea why, but was consoled by same midwife and all cynical friends that I probably didn't have enough for a hungry boy. So I supplemented until eventually he was totally on the bottle. I leaked for weeks at feeding time, but never considered or was advised to keep going with the bfing and stop the Andrews!! It was only years later that a horrified nurse said that the Andrews had been the cause of me drying up.
My last baby, also born at home, also fed well for the first weeks. No seriously sore nipples, by then I had the confidence to experiment and find the best way. But I was still secretive about the bfing and though I can't remember why I started to feel she wasn't 'getting enough', when this began to happen I just slid into bottles again, because it had seemed to be the answer to my son's need.



"I just thing we have such a long way to go t...

2011-08-22T05:33:13.295+01:00

"I just thing we have such a long way to go that we should focus on helping those who do want to - which in itself can help push societal change."

Beautifully put, AA. I know we have had our differences, and there are obviously aspects to this post I don't agree with (probably no surprise there, huh? ;) ) but overall, I think this is a GREAT post. I definitely agree that many, many, MANY more women would be able to succeed with better support. And I think if we followed your advice - focusing efforts on those who want to breastfeed/are on the fence rather than trying to convince those who adamantly don't - we could really start making strides.

This type of message does a lot of good in the lactivist community, and I really appreciate it. Thank you.



Thank you for a brilliant post. Have shared it tod...

2011-08-21T10:28:24.180+01:00

Thank you for a brilliant post. Have shared it today on my blog :)



The issue is, that good advice and support isn'...

2011-08-20T13:14:19.074+01:00

The issue is, that good advice and support isn't always around us, that's why so many women fail. Every woman on both mine and my husband's side bottle fed. I had no one to turn to. There are no LC's in my community. Again, listening t your heart doesn't solve many women's issues, if that's all it came down to I wouldn't have had a single barrier. Anyway, I won't clog up AA's feed lol thanks again for the entry AA :D



good advise and support is always here around us, ...

2011-08-20T13:08:54.619+01:00

good advise and support is always here around us, we just need to follow our heart to find it and listen to it..



if we want to change the world, we better start fr...

2011-08-20T13:06:15.441+01:00

if we want to change the world, we better start from ourselves to show an example to others...



tardis, i love what u said! i was always on the si...

2011-08-20T13:01:32.877+01:00

tardis, i love what u said! i was always on the side of mothers who wanted to bf and who failed because of the wrong support, but not all of them is happy to listen or to believe in what i am saying, just maybe because they don't want to feel that they did something wrong or didn't do enough for their baby...its very hard to give an advise to woman who wanted to bf, but couldn't make it work, they always feel judged, and most of them block themselves from any other opinions and think that they did all the possible, all what they could have done and now its just out of their hands and it is fault of anybody else but not themselves. Dear Mothers, we all was brought to this world to be a good mothers, we all ARE good mothers, but just lets listen to our voice inside and to our baby, this is so natural and easy when we don't interfere the brain in instinctual processes...



oh totally, I didn't just mean breast feeders....

2011-08-20T12:59:21.448+01:00

oh totally, I didn't just mean breast feeders. But my comment was more in relation to some comments that breast feeders feel sorry for formula fed kids and that formula is so normalised now - the latter I agree with. The way to change this, is not to make mums feel bad, at least with past children it's done and dusted. I believe a better, pro active way of changing things is to fight for better resources for women. The reason I follow your blog is because you stay clear of blaming mums and put the blame where it deserves to be - a) society and the normalisation of formula, sexualisation of breasts etc and b) and the lack of good advice and support



I totally agree with the first half of your post T...

2011-08-20T12:42:44.779+01:00

I totally agree with the first half of your post Tardis - but this bit:

"what is needed is for breast feeders to fight for more funding so we can change the pattern where formula is normal. Making mums feel crap isn't the answer." I don't.

I think NON breastfeeders need to fight too! They are potentially far more powerful!



the thing is viktoriya, some women need more than ...

2011-08-20T12:34:06.692+01:00

the thing is viktoriya, some women need more than just their instincts to succeed at breast feeding. For some, they need specialised help, help that often isn't available. Believe it or not, many formula feeding mums want to breast feed. You don't need to feel sad for my kids, my sorrow is enough, what is needed is for breast feeders to fight for more funding so we can change the pattern where formula is normal. Making mums feel crap isn't the answer.