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Updated: 2013-08-11T12:56:57Z

 



Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by The Atheist Geek

2013-08-11T12:56:57Z

Now that that’s done, I need to take a look at this statement:

“If you are really interested in combatting paedophilia, take a look at schools, including and especially public schools. Also, take a look inside families. The problem has nothing to do with this religion or that but rather situations in which children naturally but mistakenly trust adults.”

Daniel, I don’t think you read the article if you actually believe this. I’m not so sure you understand the pedophilia issues within the Catholic Church either.

The point is that both institutions are handling these cases in disastrous ways. My article focused on JWs because I am a former JW and I know a lot more about them. Public ignorance on this issue is a problem, while most people know something about the Catholic Church’s problems.

Even I know that there are reports of major coverups within the Catholic Church that have been going of for many decades. Whether you accept that is another matter entirely. The fact that the reports have come out remains true. Looking at mishandling of pedophilia in schools is, in fact, a very similar issue. Supposedly, authoritarian institutions are breeding grounds for these kinds of situations. If schools have them, then that’s another area people should be looking at. But it does not mean that we cannot look at the problems of JWs or Catholics. Your point here does not make any sense to me.

With respect, I don’t think you are seeing this issue very clearly.




Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by The Atheist Geek

2013-08-11T12:49:53Z

Daniel, the definition of gratuitous is “Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.”

I fail to see how the comment you cited even comes close to any of that.

It is true that the Catholic Church is under scrutiny for many pedophile cases. Period. I am attempting to raise awareness about the fact that JWs have a similar problem. So the comparison is neither uncalled for, lacking in good reason, or unwarranted. Your personal theories about “homosexual liaisons” notwithstanding. I was making a point that everyone knows about those issues–which is also basically true, like it or not–but few know about similar problems with JWs. That’s it. Whatever else you think is going on here isn’t going on here.

And I hardly think that it’s fair to say that the article is “unrelated.”

BTW, AFAIK, most pedophiles are not, in fact, homosexuals. It’s a completely separate thing.

Let’s flip this around. If I were a homosexual, I could miss the point of your comment entirely and let you have it for comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. Would I be right for doing that? Or would I be guilty of a knee jerk reaction to something I’m a bit too sensitive to?

I am being a little hard on you here, but you were hard on me. If you are nice, I will be nice. 🙂 Either way, I hope you see my point.




Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by Daniel Muller

2013-08-11T05:30:50Z

What a gratuitous slam against the Catholic Church in an unrelated article. The scandal in the Catholic Church that “everyone knows about” was homosexual liaisons with adolescents (ephebophilia, if you want), but the mainstream media do not like that storyline because it is not politically correct to consider that a scandal at all. Better to frame it as paedophilia whether it is or not; that sells.

If you are really interested in combatting paedophilia, take a look at schools, including and especially public schools. Also, take a look inside families. The problem has nothing to do with this religion or that but rather situations in which children naturally but mistakenly trust adults.




Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by The Atheist Geek

2013-07-22T20:12:52Z

This one is specifically related to the question of whether the Watchtower Society has been covering up the allegations from authorities.
http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/team-10-obtains-video-of-admitted-child-molester-in-jehovahs-witnesses07222013







Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by Erik

2013-06-28T16:24:26Z

Terry, Service, the most sacred gift we can give to our creator, is putting young people at risk if/when troubled JW’s are still allowed to use the public ministry for gaining access to and for manipulating young ones. Remember when Jesus told his disciples to let the children come to him and to stop hindering them? If Jesus were here would he go along with the policies of Jehovah’s Witnesses that are being challenged here?




Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by Steph Le Gardener

2013-06-28T12:35:59Z

Terry, where are the details on how these children are to be protected from further abuse? Unless parents in the congregation are notified of the molester, there is no way to protect them. The “two witness” rule is a loophole that protects pedophiles. There is rarely a witness to the crime of a child molester (they don’t prefer audiences), let alone a second witness.




Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by The Atheist Geek

2013-06-28T12:32:14Z

Terry, their policy just isn’t working. Also, if you read my article, then you know that the “two witness rule” is half the problem. As I stated earlier, people don’t generally commit pedophilia in front of an audience. If there aren’t 2 witnesses, or if the pedophile doesn’t admit to their crime, then they are declared innocent. End of story. And the family cannot go to outside law enforcement without being disfellowshipped for slandering another JW.

As I explained in the article, the whole system is simply stupid. Pointlessly and stubbornly so, in fact. That was the point of the whole article.




Comment on What You Don’t Know About Jehovah’s Witnesses And Pedophiles by Terry Carey

2013-06-27T00:23:09Z

Their policy states that child sex victims be immediately protected from further abuse, and that abusers convicted under the ‘two witnesses’ rule be prevented from finding additional victims.




Comment on Shunning: How Jehovah’s Witnesses Discipline Their Own by Brandi Williams

2013-06-03T06:04:40Z

I don’t care what the JW’s practices are for shunning whether they are found in the Jewish and Christian religious texts or not. These texts support slavery, it is an undeniable fact. So why don’t the JW’s believe in holding slaves, if they want to take the text literally?
This just makes them cherry-picking hypocrites like all other fundamentalist denominations and movements within Christianity. I don’t think people should be excommunicated for having sex without being married or having a romantically and sexually active relationship with the same gender or being lgbt. I never agreed with the JW’s bigoted views towards lgbt people, same-sex couples, the military or their prejudices towards the U.N., holiday celebrations or birthdays or towards people of other religious, spiritual or non-religious beliefs. That is not acceptable at all and there is no justifcation for it, whether it is written in an outdated religious text or not.