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By: Vlad

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:15:40 +0000

Shame to have found your post so late, it's just that latest events in Georgia and their coverage in (mostly) Russian blogs somewhat threw paid-trolls-issue right in my face. Just my 2 cents on the issue - while I can certainly realize the value in paid trolling for products, I see little leverage in paid trolling for government. So if you have any new material on the issue I'd be happy if you revisited. Thanks. P.S. In case you're interested, the post is here: http://www.istudioweb.com/puppets-and-puppeteers-in-information-wars-2008-08-09/



By: Vlad

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:15:00 +0000

Shame to have found your post so late, it's just that latest events in Georgia and their coverage in (mostly) Russian blogs somewhat threw paid-trolls-issue right in my face. Just my 2 cents on the issue - while I can certainly realize the value in paid trolling for products, I see little leverage in paid trolling for government. So if you have any new material on the issue I'd be happy if you revisited. Thanks. P.S. In case you're interested, the post is here: http://www.istudioweb.com/puppets-and-puppeteers-in-information-wars-2008-08-09/



By: Aruni

Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:56:48 +0000

@Eric - yes, you are right everything is relative...I suppose the same thing could be said of spammers. One person's spam is another person's treasure. My guess is that most spammers could be considered by the consensus as spammers and the same goes for trolls. I'm sure there will eventually be troll gaurd like there is spam gaurd... What is that law about for every positive reaction there is an equal and opposite negative reaction??? I'll have to bone up on my physics/chemistry before saying that's 100% accurate.



By: Aruni

Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:56:00 +0000

@Eric - yes, you are right everything is relative...I suppose the same thing could be said of spammers. One person's spam is another person's treasure. My guess is that most spammers could be considered by the consensus as spammers and the same goes for trolls. I'm sure there will eventually be troll gaurd like there is spam gaurd... What is that law about for every positive reaction there is an equal and opposite negative reaction??? I'll have to bone up on my physics/chemistry before saying that's 100% accurate.



By: Mark Anderson

Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:52 +0000

Robert, you are entitled to your opinion and it's quite sad that someone should call you a moron for expressing it. After all this is merely a conversation about cellphones, it's not serious business. That said, labeling Nokia owners as trolls because of the ill advised comments of a few is a bit harsh. A difference of opinion does not indicate that someone is trolling. There are some very valid points made in terms of what the iPhone doesn't do in the previous topic. Ultimately our preferences are individual. If it were any other way then life would be intolerably boring.



By: Mark Anderson

Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:00 +0000

Robert, you are entitled to your opinion and it's quite sad that someone should call you a moron for expressing it. After all this is merely a conversation about cellphones, it's not serious business. That said, labeling Nokia owners as trolls because of the ill advised comments of a few is a bit harsh. A difference of opinion does not indicate that someone is trolling. There are some very valid points made in terms of what the iPhone doesn't do in the previous topic. Ultimately our preferences are individual. If it were any other way then life would be intolerably boring.



By: Eric Rice

Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:21:58 +0000

@Aruni one thing about blocking trolls is the consensus of what or who is a troll by a majority. There are people I enjoy reading that other friends consider trolls and vice versa. Who is right? Hey Robert, one thing this Nokia vs. Apple debate has sparked, is that I have had no clue about the Nokia before, and now I'm seriously considering one. I have no experience on either device and I've witnessed more conversation, flaming, fanboys, and propaganda spewing from both iPhone and N95 people. So I'm coming at this from scratch. Kinda tough being an informed consumer in spite of how religious the information is.



By: Eric Rice

Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:21:00 +0000

@Aruni one thing about blocking trolls is the consensus of what or who is a troll by a majority. There are people I enjoy reading that other friends consider trolls and vice versa. Who is right? Hey Robert, one thing this Nokia vs. Apple debate has sparked, is that I have had no clue about the Nokia before, and now I'm seriously considering one. I have no experience on either device and I've witnessed more conversation, flaming, fanboys, and propaganda spewing from both iPhone and N95 people. So I'm coming at this from scratch. Kinda tough being an informed consumer in spite of how religious the information is.



By: T Man

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:00:02 +0000

Technically, in the Internet parlance of the word, trolling is confined to a web site, such as a forum, or increasingly, blog comments. So in this case we are talking about, it is a moot discussion anyway, since this is really not trolling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) But, I digress... When I think of trolling, particularly technology zealotry, I think of someone posting something to get a rise out of the forum which is clearly a certain way that is different than the troll. (I'm a Mac and I'm a PC) So let's look at the two situations and you tell me where they are not similar: Nokia guy goes to an iPhone line and stirs up trouble. His main intent is to to prove that the company he likes, and by extension, he, is better than you since your waiting for an Apple product, and Nokia's products are superior. Or, *the* Apple guy goes up to an MS guy and stirs up trouble. It is obvious Steve's main intent was to prove that his company, and by extension, he, was better that you since you worked for MS, and Apple's products are superior. Now I agree that this in your face confrontations are uncalled for, especially over what is just a phone. Although extreme, it is the same as wearing a Red Sox cap to a Yankees game, arguing on the Internet, or in an extreme form, bombing an abortion clinic. Different means, same type of behavior.



By: T Man

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:00:00 +0000

Technically, in the Internet parlance of the word, trolling is confined to a web site, such as a forum, or increasingly, blog comments. So in this case we are talking about, it is a moot discussion anyway, since this is really not trolling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) But, I digress... When I think of trolling, particularly technology zealotry, I think of someone posting something to get a rise out of the forum which is clearly a certain way that is different than the troll. (I'm a Mac and I'm a PC) So let's look at the two situations and you tell me where they are not similar: Nokia guy goes to an iPhone line and stirs up trouble. His main intent is to to prove that the company he likes, and by extension, he, is better than you since your waiting for an Apple product, and Nokia's products are superior. Or, *the* Apple guy goes up to an MS guy and stirs up trouble. It is obvious Steve's main intent was to prove that his company, and by extension, he, was better that you since you worked for MS, and Apple's products are superior. Now I agree that this in your face confrontations are uncalled for, especially over what is just a phone. Although extreme, it is the same as wearing a Red Sox cap to a Yankees game, arguing on the Internet, or in an extreme form, bombing an abortion clinic. Different means, same type of behavior.



By: Robert Scoble

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:03:41 +0000

T Man: um, and HOW is that trolling again? I introduced myself to him and listened to him and didn't even say anything back when greeted rudely. That's 180 degrees from the behavior we're talking about here. If you don't even know what a troll is, maybe you're one and not able to identify that behavior in yourself.



By: Robert Scoble

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:03:00 +0000

T Man: um, and HOW is that trolling again? I introduced myself to him and listened to him and didn't even say anything back when greeted rudely. That's 180 degrees from the behavior we're talking about here. If you don't even know what a troll is, maybe you're one and not able to identify that behavior in yourself.



By: T Man

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:46:24 +0000

One thing I would like to mention that is perhaps one of the most significant trolling experiences that I have heard of. I don't know all of the particulars of the story, but a young scrappy individual was working for this big company called Microsoft. MS is well hated by the Apple camp, just in case you did not know that. Said person from MS meets Steve Jobs of Apple on the street somewhere. Steve was probably buying a turtleneck that day, or something like that. The young man introduces himself, and in a very troll-like fashion, Jobs says something to the effect of "I finally get the chance to meet the people that are always copying us" or something like that. Said person was a little taken aback, and even later recalled the story, indicating that he had thought about a ton of replies that he could have said, but did not. Robert, have you heard of this story?



By: T Man

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:46:00 +0000

One thing I would like to mention that is perhaps one of the most significant trolling experiences that I have heard of. I don't know all of the particulars of the story, but a young scrappy individual was working for this big company called Microsoft. MS is well hated by the Apple camp, just in case you did not know that. Said person from MS meets Steve Jobs of Apple on the street somewhere. Steve was probably buying a turtleneck that day, or something like that. The young man introduces himself, and in a very troll-like fashion, Jobs says something to the effect of "I finally get the chance to meet the people that are always copying us" or something like that. Said person was a little taken aback, and even later recalled the story, indicating that he had thought about a ton of replies that he could have said, but did not. Robert, have you heard of this story?



By: Ricky Cadden

Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:02:30 +0000

Charbax - As a PHONE, they might not be worth $600-700, but you're not taking into account everything else: MP3 Player - ~$200 digital camera - ~$250-300 GPS unit ~$350-400 And that's not even counting the internet browsing and all that. So I could either buy all these things separate, and look like Batman walking around with a utility belt, or I can have ONE device to slip quietly in my pocket.