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Finally, regarding Google Base, I am eagerly antic...

2005-12-01T19:08:00.000-08:00

Finally, regarding Google Base, I am eagerly anticipating something to make the content posted there more useful than just being able to pass a reference to the entity, like this comment reply to your post, Greg. (If I understand the workings of Google Base, this is the first entity of type "comment" ever posted there. Yay! ;-)

I believe Google Base is Google's attempt at a very gradual shift toward the Semantic Web, from a practically minded engineer's perspective rather than a lofty architectural astronaut's. Structuring up information, bit by bit, is one first step, making it universally accessible to tools based on such structures another. Let's hope the wait isn't very long. (...for a useful Google Base API; I will not hold my breath waiting for the Semantic Web. :-)



Re: anchor tag. I find it necessary to partition m...

2005-12-01T18:57:00.000-08:00

Re: anchor tag. I find it necessary to partition my tagspace (multiple blogs). Certainly multiple delicious accounts is not the answer. I assumed that leaving the anchor as "" would mean your entire tagspace is listed - is that not the case?

As Stephen suggests, I just referred to not listing the anchor tag among the tags in the select box; it's not an information bearing entity there, as are the tags that differentiate posts from one another. After all, all posts in my blog will have the "ecmanaut" tag, so it's not very useful, except to get a list of all posts in the sidebar.

For that particular purpose, I'd name the option "All posts", to be useful to a visitor, though, but I don't feel it's a very intuitive place to add such an option. As it is also upwards limited to 100 posts, that would eventually just be misleading, and naming it "most recent 100 posts" is sort of addressing a use case that does not exist. :-)



Using Google Base practically for this kind of app...

2005-12-01T18:48:00.000-08:00

Using Google Base practically for this kind of application is still far off, though I believe it might eventually outdo Del.icio.us, which still is the better platform -- no 15 to 60 minute latency per post, an exposed API which is available by JSON feed, and a large body of support tools for making lots of useful connections between content.

Regarding functions passed by name, that is, as you correctly assumed, the way javascript passes methods or callables, so you can use those parameters as ordinary functions from within the callee. Immensely useful.



As I said to Johan the only reason I find 'Stephen...

2005-11-30T08:35:00.000-08:00

As I said to Johan the only reason I find 'Stephen of Singpolyma' amusing is because my blog doesn't technically have a name - Singpolyma is generally what I call myself. Not that I care, I merely find it amusing ;)

RE: Anchor tag - I think he meant remove the anchor tag from the list_side_tags() results. Setting the anchor tag to "" does list your entire tagspace, and it's what I do since I use a separate del.icio.us account for my blog



Indeed, that is a great summary and open mail.Have...

2005-11-29T08:34:00.000-08:00

Indeed, that is a great summary and open mail.Have to agree with you that blog commenting is fairly limited. I just expected that forum-style features (eg threads, thresholds, points, moderation, even slashdot-style meta-moderation) would just creep in over time, replicated whole and in their entirety. After reading about your comment-blogging posts, I'm so sure. I find the idea of tagging my comments intriguing: it opens up enormous possibilities for archiving/monitoring/navigating/finding/participating in conversations and all sorts of interactive exchanges. Every innovation sees the emergence of new vocabulary around specific behaviours enabled by that tech (eg. party line, tuning in, channel surfing - now flamebait, trolls, lurking, flame wars etc). Who knows what the next wave will bring? (As an aside, isn't the google base the appropriate location for me to store my comments? Or are they better left in situ?)Re: parameters. Pass them in rolled up into a big ball, with function names as parameters too? (Crazy laughter) Why not? This is new to me, but I can see the sense. (I'm guessing that there's code in the function to pick up the blah_cb parameter value and invoke it as a function call?)Re: development priorities for what is essentially a hobby. I think there's a tension between doing something because it's cool (to me) and useful (to others). At this stage, I see the former as primary. Persuing the secondary (in as much as useful things sometimes transpire from cool things) affords discipline in getting things to work and keeping me grounded. They pay off from that is more attention from others. More eyeballs means more ideas - which is cool! That loop is why I don't think people should be ashamed of their geekery (values) or hackery (process) or that they should subvert it for the sake of utility.Re: anchor tag. I find it necessary to partition my tagspace (multiple blogs). Certainly multiple delicious accounts is not the answer. I assumed that leaving the anchor as "" would mean your entire tagspace is listed - is that not the case?Re: Tag syndication. Wow. There's a lot that can be done there - author name, tags (including counts, overlappers, recent), post titles, trackbacks, post tags, comments (authors, counts). There's potentially so much info to display, the trick is working out a natural, graceful model of engagement with a peer.I imagine a spectrum. At one end: the author's blog's name made clickable (ie blogroll). At the other: the author's entire blog is reproduced in your sidebar (content, style, comments etc). What the reader wants is a gentle ramping up, a seduction if you will, from one end to the other:First, the author moves to the top of the blog roll. Maybe the font gets larger, bolder. Then tags are displayed, perhaps initially in a tool tip. Some post titles creep in too. We don't notice it, but a backlink is now on show. Suddenly, we see the name of a commentor. Then a fragment of text, a quote from a conversation. The first paragraph of a post starts to scroll by and it's joined by more tags and post titles. Listed amongst the trackbacks and comment counts are related authors. Some style elements - fonts, colours a few icons - begin to break out. "Wait a minute - I've seen this blog before."To manage carefully this engagement (and dillution of reader attention) would require an excellent understanding of cues and heaps of reader-specific feedback: tag selection (naturally), content selection, search queries, mouse overs, highlighted text. Eg. if you're reading an article on my blog and one of my listed peers has commented on that article, at the very least her name should be in bold on the sidebar. If one particular reader of mine has selected a unique combination of tags that very closely matches the top tags of one of my listed peers, surely that reader is entitled to see recent/relevant post titles from that peer? No doubt we publishers rank our peers according to some sort of [...]



Comment threading is something the blogosphere sho...

2005-11-28T09:47:00.000-08:00

Comment threading is something the blogosphere should eventually catch onto, but almost no one does that yet. While lack of comment RSS is a pain, you'll note that I do have one for my site via mailbucket and a nice forwarding system on Gmail.

Is the forwarding system a part of the same system offered by mailbucket for the RSS feed? I noticed that in your blog a while ago and researched some of the bits involved, but kind of lost interest due to their failing to decode MIME, or whatever it is that is causing all the =20s interspersed throughtout the RSS feeds they generate. (Yes, I am picky about getting the details right. :-)

Kind of funny how everyone calls me 'Stephen of Singpolyma' though ;)

Polite question: What would you like to be referred to as? :-) Naming both the person and the blog helps the reader both connect to you as a real person, and make the connection to the blog, in case they ever were there and somewhere caught hold of the name. I'm getting sort of comfy with "Johan of ecmanaut" myself due in part to the above, that it is helpful to the reader. I'm not an Eric S Raymond or Richard Michael Stallman yet, nor have I made any conscious efforts of branding my own name, so I figure I'll fall under the names people take to intuitively. Such issues are also interesting topics to ponder, once in a while. :-)



Talk about a hefty post! No wonder you thought it...

2005-11-28T00:45:00.000-08:00

Talk about a hefty post! No wonder you thought it a pain to write all that in a comment field! ;)

"does not thread comments / does not offer RSS comment feeds"

Comment threading is something the blogosphere should eventually catch onto, but almost no one does that yet. While lack of comment RSS is a pain, you'll note that I do have one for my site via mailbucket and a nice forwarding system on Gmail. Not the ideal solution, but a solution nevertheless.

I found your summary of how this discussion progressed especially helpful, as I missed some of those posts before :) Kind of funny how everyone calls me 'Stephen of Singpolyma' though ;)

RE: removing the anchor tag - definately a good point for those who use such a thing ;)

RE: other JSON in sidebar - while this may be a nice concept, it adds the complication that every del.icio.us JSON object you include would have to be renamed before doing the next blog. It also would mean that you could only do this for blogs using the del.icio.us tagging system... I like the idea of an 'expandable' blogroll, but in reality RSS is probably the way to go for this.