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Comments on stuff white people do: rush to the aid of crying white instigators of racism, instead of the victims





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I also written an article similar to this topic. I...

2011-05-21T20:25:22.388-07:00

I also written an article similar to this topic.
I call it the double victim strategy. This tactic is very common but rarely addressed.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Double-Victim-Strategy



Oh yes, another classic case of white racial bondi...

2010-06-20T10:38:45.434-07:00

Oh yes, another classic case of white racial bonding that supposedly doesn't exist. This also mirrors a popular sentiment expressed when someone is called out for saying/doing something racist...that it depends on intent and the morals of the person. It's a copout.



@ soul "If you are not there to defend yourse...

2010-06-18T12:08:51.270-07:00

@ soul
"If you are not there to defend yourself no-one will defend you, people simply see it as a failing of black women for not being there."

I put myself through reading his posts again...apparently the WW actually attacking you are merely "inconsiderate." Because this is a matter of being polite. :o(

@ garbanzo, you fail logic forever.



@willow.. also notice something in garbanzo's ...

2010-06-18T09:58:04.716-07:00

@willow.. also notice something in garbanzo's comment.....

He is basically saying, black women no one will fight for you.
You know, its that old chestnut, black women you are on your own. If you are not there to defend yourself no-one will defend you, people simply see it as a failing of black women for not being there.

See WW fdon't even have to be there or be arguing for anything for people to defend them, they don't even need to be crying.
Here's Garbanzo saying :
Hey black women, its your fault these white women are attacking you, because really you are not there to defend yourself'.

Amazingly pathetic, but amazing nonetheless



@willow... Its because 'he is special'. ...

2010-06-18T05:29:04.196-07:00

@willow...

Its because 'he is special'.
Cue the 'I grew up listening to rock music and other black kids teased me, people say I don't sound black and I hate hiphop'.

Don't you know, that us negress biatches are to blame for people trying to abus and missues us?.
I'd cry, but erm...
You know us negresses we don't cry we are made of fucking plutonium.



@ garbanzo, "I hope...the author does someth...

2010-06-17T23:29:01.332-07:00

@ garbanzo,

"I hope...the author does something breakingly different for once."

Oh, like write something good?

Also, why did you assume no Black women read fantasy? Does everyone on all these discussion boards (that you obviously read...) say, "I'm white, and I don't want them to hook up"? Or are you making an assumption based on the idea that white people are the "default human"? (Yes, I'm challenging you to examine your thought process).

And finally: if you don't know many Black female SF fans, why are you assuming you know what ALL of them want? And that they'd all want the same thing?



@garbanzo, So let me get this straight... WWT in s...

2010-06-17T20:33:07.908-07:00

@garbanzo,
So let me get this straight... WWT in sci-fi again are black womens' fault?
Its because black women aren't visible on this?.

Right..

Because if black women are aggressive enough and scream loud enough and fight hard enough this wouldn't happen. Right?.

Exactly how many fronts do you think black women are fighting on?.

You know, google is your friend, use it.
Cos us black female sci-fi readers and writers are here, we are just not shouting around waving our damn hands in the air asking to be treated specially because of it.

Seriously your ignorance is not an excuse.

http://ankhesen-mie.livejournal.com/31163.html
http://theangryblackwoman.com/2009/08/05/this-is-why-science-fiction-cant-have-nice-things/

These are simply the authors/discussions I know.

I guess black women are spending their time writing their own stories instead of whinning about it.



@M. Gibson and IABL: Here. I've read those Inh...

2010-06-17T18:08:00.687-07:00

@M. Gibson and IABL: Here. I've read those Inheritance books and yes the WW are "crying" out loud about the hero possibly ending up with Nasuada. But, I want to point out how these WW use the internet to lobby for what they want to see or rather demand for the author to do in his upcoming book sequel. Sorry to say it, but their WWT have gone uncontested because, well, I just don't know of many black women who even read fantasy fiction to know that this black female character even exists. Sorry. I hope the WWT don't prevail and the author does something breakingly different for once. IDK. It would be to his credit, if he did. He's already taken the "risk" in developing such a character, he might as well go all the way.

Another thing I'd like to second is that you see how inconsiderate these WW can be to promote Nasuada being with the slave whose fighting in opposition to her, not the hero whose fighting along side of her. If Nasuada were a WW, I seriously don't think they'd be trying to pair her off with the slave instead of the hero. Again, I hope they don't succeed with these WWT on this.



@Bardaban/LeBoitedePandore Yes. You left your bla...

2010-06-16T22:48:22.662-07:00

@Bardaban/LeBoitedePandore

Yes. You left your black credentials in your first post. Why in holy heck would you think my response to you would be different based on your race?. I think it might do you well to check your presumptions and assumptions at the door.

ohhh I get it!!!. At some point you are going to tell us about being told by black folk that you 'sound white' right.... right? cos you know most of us negresses on this board ain't neva hearded that ish =.. no, no. Not neva.
where is witchsista when you need her

I mean seriously, are you fucking kidding me?.
Okay let me ask the question: What in my post made you say that?.
- Was it the thanking you for negating my experiences? or
- Thanking you for saying POC in some way might be perpetuating a stereotype
- or the thanking you for negating my experiences?

Which of these 3 things led to your absurd deduction?


I refuted your post cos it didn't make any darn sense to my reality.
My response was based on the tired ITS CLASSISM strawman you are employing as well as its AN AMERICAN THING!

I am not American, I don't live in America and when I type my experiences on this board people don't even realise that, because the behaviours being spoken of are endemic in my corner of the world.

Why you keep trying to ignore this and undermine my experiences with your.. 'its an American and class issue' i have no idea.

Saying something repeatedly does not make it right. You just repeated everything you said in your first post and it still doesn't address the fact that you are maligning other POC who experience WWT outside the US.

You have made your case and I refuted it, NOT your race. What ever issues you have with your race are not my concern
Simple.



LaBoitedePandore I think its safe to say that we ...

2010-06-16T19:07:27.997-07:00

LaBoitedePandore

I think its safe to say that we all know that not ALL white women exhibit the trait of WWTs (give us some credit lol), however the class issue does not negate the fact that if given the opportunity to redirect any negative attention that "some" white woman won't do it. I've seen many white females regardless of class exhibit WWT tears, to cover their asses in various situations when they were in the wrong. WWTs is not exclusive to white women of middle and upper class. They have the privilege of whipping out the tears if its convenient for them at whatever situation if they really don't want to take responsibility for their actions especially when race is involved. As I said before, do all white women do this? No. However they do have the privilege of using it, and I personally believe that all of them are aware of that in some manner.



@Bardaban/LeBoitedePandore "I have encountere...

2010-06-16T18:18:55.791-07:00

@Bardaban/LeBoitedePandore
"I have encountered many working class white girls, who when they are confronted with their own racism and white privilege....they don't cry or make it all about them, they will beat ass. I've seen it."

Ultimately, both types are unwilling to face their own racism. Some are passive about it while others get aggressive. Great curve ball with the classism there. Thanks for playing.



@Soul; Soul you made a comment about what I said. ...

2010-06-16T14:49:48.480-07:00

@Soul;
Soul you made a comment about what I said. I was under the earlier post name, "Baradaban"

You do realize that I am Black right? I felt the need to metion my race because I got the impression from your comments that you might think that I am a white person trying to discredit this blog topic and everyone's comments. So I feel the need to mention that I am a Black woman.

In regards to your comments:
No, I am not saying that you don't have a right to your feelings or the experiences that you have each day. What I was specifically saying with my previous comment was that I do believe that this is a "class issue" as well as a "race issue." Class is just as much of an issue as Racism, Sexism, and Homophobia are in this country. (and any other "ism" that one can think of). I am reiterating this because of some comments that I saw later on about what I had posted. If we are going to have a discussion about human behavior because at the end of the day, any discussions about racism are about human behavior then we have to talk about culture and if we talk about culture then we have to talk about class. Just like there are certain behaviors in the Black community in the U.S. which are considered acceptable and unacceptable depending on class (wealthy black people vs poor black people) it is the same with white americans as well.

Regarding the comic strip in this blog posting and "Misty's faux tears" to avoid discussing the real issue, which was her racist comment, we must also consider the fact that her "reaction of removing culpability from herself" and her "tears" are a integral part of class/race and gender in the U.S. The wealthy, helpless, white damsel in distress. Even if you vehemently disagree with me and as you are reading these comments, you are getting angry; as an academic and as someone who is examining human behavior, class must be considered.

Would Misty have reacted that way if she were White, Poor, and from the poorest area of Detroit Michigan?



As a disabled woman, let me say...disability is NE...

2010-06-16T09:21:58.612-07:00

As a disabled woman, let me say...disability is NEVER an excuse for acting racist.

To use it as such is an insult to POC *and* all people with disabilities...especially people of color with disabilities.

Suggesting that we can't be "moral" or hold to basic standards of respect for others because we have disabilities...You want ableism? THAT'S ableism.

/vent



@riche, yeah, I was really frustrated by that thre...

2010-06-16T07:09:14.852-07:00

@riche,
yeah, I was really frustrated by that thread.

To me, the teacher was out and out wrong--and it doesn't really matter to me why she did what she did. It's racist, plain and simple.

But I can also appreciate that many commenters were frustrated by the ableism that characterized many of the comments about chemical sensitivities.

It seemed like a false dichotomy was created with people feeling that they had to choose between calling the teacher a racist and validating the seriousness of chemical sensitivities, not realizing that they could do both.



Riche - that's outrageous. What a throwback to...

2010-06-16T05:20:54.712-07:00

Riche - that's outrageous. What a throwback to the days of white people being offended by the "smell of Negroes."



Anyone seen this on Racialicious? I'm specific...

2010-06-16T03:16:49.423-07:00

Anyone seen this on Racialicious? I'm specifically referring to the comments thread, where a huge number of comments are defending the teacher with crap about how the white teacher must have suffered from allergies or “fragrance sensitivity”.



IABL said... “Because the author has written some ...

2010-06-15T22:15:45.225-07:00

IABL said...
“Because the author has written some tale-tale lines that hint at the possibility that Eragon and Nasuada may get romantically paired together, the white girls have launched into full TEAR & TANTRUM CAMPAIGN, calling their possible union stupid and impossible and threatening to burn the books and vomit and so on, if Eragon and Nasuada end up romantically involved or if Nasuada became a dragon Rider.”

lol
I love how you wrote this...
What this review says to me is that white women are well aware of their station in this country. That even though they act naïve of this fact at times (playing to white male expectations) they’re well aware of their worth and status over non-white women, and will employ all available means (Tears) at their disposal to maintain that social hierarchy.

I’ve read some science fiction, not much though,
Ray Bradbury: The Other Foot.
Ray Bradbury: All Summer in a Day
Philip José Farmer: Riverworld
A few Clive Barker books;
The Hellbound Heart, Weaveworld, The Inhuman Condition, The Damnation Game, but I do love science fiction fantasy in film. (Eye-candy)



@M. Gibson: You like fantasy fiction? Have you r...

2010-06-15T20:21:39.693-07:00

@M. Gibson: You like fantasy fiction? Have you read the Inheritance Cycle books: Eragon, Eldest, and Brisingr by Christopher Paolini? Well, in these books is a 20-year old young black woman named Nasuada, who ascends to power as Commander of the Allied Army. The protagonist or hero is a white male, who had never seen black people before and comments about it in his thoughts. Well, this character, whose name is Eragon, becomes a Rider of a blue dragon, and due to war-time circumstances, vows himself to Lady Nasuada as her sworn vassal. She becomes his lord. He is one of the most powerful males in the land.OK... on the official forums, the white girls are going absolutely crazy at the thought that Eragon and Nasuada may end up together in marriage. Eragon is shown being infatuated with a "delicate" damsel fair elf princess, who is disrespectful to his “brothers,” and who doesn't return his lusts. Because the author has written some tale-tale lines that hint at the possibility that Eragon and Nasuada may get romantically paired together, the white girls have launched into full TEAR & TANTRUM CAMPAIGN, calling their possible union stupid and impossible and threatening to burn the books and vomit and so on, if Eragon and Nasuada end up romantically involved or if Nasuada became a dragon Rider.The WWTT campaign launched the moment Eragon got down on bended knee and swore himself to Nasuada! Their campaign (1) makes sure to point out that they are NOT being racist to deny the possibility of their romance; (2) makes sure to find every tiny crumb in the story to paint her as some power-hungry witch --to appointed positions no less, she did not ask to be Leader of the Varden and she did not ask to be Commander of the Allied Army and she did not ask for Eragon to swear himself to her-- in other words, they've launched character smear tactics; (3)makes sure to vocalize how puzzled they are that this black female is "what?" getting her own point of view (POV) chapters in the books, because they can't see how she can possibly be important in Eragon's journey; (4)make sure to promote an alternative relationship, like to Eragon's older brother Murtagh, who happens to be a slave to the opposing king and fighting on the "bad" side against her in the war. They make sure to point out that the author stated in an interview that he never intended for Nasuada's character to become so prominent. The author knew exactly what he was doing giving the WWTT jerkers false comfort that "awww, there there now, this black female character wasn't meant to be so powerful." They ate it up, and are using it in their new (5) "character devaluation campaign" that Nasuada's character is "nothing."The author clearly has made her quite powerful and dominant and passionate, yet the WWTT jerkers cling to that author's comment for dear life, refusing to realize that though she may not have been meant to be this prominent --SHE IS!!! She is not the invisible black woman they are trying so desperately to make her. She is the main character's LORD and COMMANDER, whom he has declared that he cares about beyond his duty as her vassal!!! The WWTT jerkers have launched their war against this character's presence and dominance in the story. They have been doing this heftily without press, blog or forum opposition countering by the spreading of LOVE for this character. I ponder if the WWTT jerkers may be successful or if the author was prepared for controversy when he included her character in[...]



thank you Barbadian... For telling me that I am i...

2010-06-15T05:18:22.994-07:00

thank you Barbadian...

For telling me that I am imagining shit in my corner of the globe which is infact in Europe and not America.

Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart for pointing out that POC pointing out a common trait they have encountered during their own experience is simply perpetuating a black stereotype.

Also, thanks for negating everyone else's experience in place of your own and for missing the damn point.

Bravo. You have done well



baradaban, That all seems true, but you need to c...

2010-06-14T22:06:19.462-07:00

baradaban,

That all seems true, but you need to check the subtitle of this blog.



I looked at this post and the comic and read it se...

2010-06-14T22:04:53.940-07:00

I looked at this post and the comic and read it several times. I've also read about 25 of the comments and I stopped because I need to interject and make a point. As a Black woman who has witnessed white women's tears, etc. etc. I have come to the conclusion that some of this is a class issue and it goes beyond race. I grew up around two different classes of white people here in California (where I'm from) rich, influential, WASP's and working class portugese, italians, and irish. I went to private schools full of fragile white girls who cried at the drop of a hat but my small, rural town was full of white girls who would beat your ass. Totally different ballgame. Class is an issue here! I was reading an old post on SWPD about "touching black women's hair" and reflected on an incident that happened to me in high school. I was in French class and a white girl began to play with my braids in class w/o asking me for permission. She was sitting behind me. I didn't even think to warn her or yell at her, I just turned around and shoved the open palm of my hand up her nose and I bloodied it. I don't know what made me react that violently but I did. She did not cry! She did not wilt! She did not talk about how Black women are "stereotypically violent bitches" at all. She wanted to throw down. As a Black woman I want to suggest to the readers, spectators, commentators,etc. of this blog who are POC not to mash all white people in the same category even though they do have white privilege. I have encountered many working class white girls, who when they are confronted with their own racism and white privilege....they don't cry or make it all about them, they will beat ass. I've seen it. Now I have had the opportunity to go to private schools too. In my experience upper middle class, and affluent white girls/women do the whole crying, damsel in distress, victime schtick....and yes it is annoying. But working class white women do not act like that. All of the working poor white women and working poor white women that I've ever encountered Do NOT act like Scarlett O'hara from, "Gone with the Wind." I'm sure many will disagree with me on this blog, and I encourage it, but as I've said before; as a POC, myself I don't want to start labeling and categorizing that all white women play the victim and cry. Some of them do that, but I believe that it's due to class as well as race. It's important not to stereotype or categorize anyone because then we as POC's perpetuate a problem that already exists....white people stereoyping us. An example: I would also like to point out that Scandinavian women do not burst into tears over shit, because they come from a different culture that has taken 3rd wave feminism to a whole new level. So this white women's tears and racism deflection by the majority is a uniquely North American problem. Granted projections and nuiances of racism exist worldwide but the whole "pathetic crying thing" is very American, very antebellum, very Southern, and very Upper class. This is why white Europeans make fun of white American women. I've traveled a lot and this is one of the negative stereotypes about white americans that is pervasive in the rest of the world.



if you rush to the aide of crying WP that instig...

2010-06-12T01:45:51.941-07:00

if you rush to the aide of crying WP that instigated racism,if you seek reassurance that you are not racist, if you try and justify your comments with crap like (but not limited to) I have POC friends or if you claim that 'everybody is racist':
You are a racist and just trying to make an excuses.
The contemporary media is doing the same. Whenever you read about Eyewitness Misidentification in the news, more than likely the media will present you with statements and pic's of the crying WP instead of the POC victim wich had to spend most of his life in jail.



Having read over the cartoon and many of the comme...

2010-06-11T15:54:43.195-07:00

Having read over the cartoon and many of the comments several times, I want to say again that the way racism is framed in our society is a huge contributing factor in this kind of incident. "There are racist people in here" translates in the white imagination as "You are a morally degenerate poor excuse for a human being." Hence the tears, defensiveness, willful ignorance, derailing and all the rest.

Shouldn't be this way? Right you are. But it is. Our understanding of what racism really is and how it operates in society has to evolve before the masses will see racism and everyone's part in it as a problem for us all that we all must solve for our mutual benefit and survival.

By the white girl's definition of racism (unmitigated evil) she is not and will never be a racist person regardless of what anyone says or how she comes to understand the hurt she has caused. And she will go on thinking that it's the REAL racists who are the problem, and she will be secure in her belief and supported by all of white culture around her.

What has to occur IMO is a radical reframing of the problem: not that there are racists, but that there is racism, and that it works through the most well-meaning of people whatever their intentions or conscious beliefs. And maybe most important, that it doesn't make them evil to discover that racism is working through them.



@Middle Name J. No its not a White American thing...

2010-06-11T14:39:12.842-07:00

@Middle Name J.

No its not a White American thing. It is universal.

Why do people presume that everyone reading or responding to this blog is American or talking about American experiences.

I am not American and I don't live in America and most of my experiences detailed here happened out side of America.



@Ebony.. Well, erm.. I'm black in the UK and...

2010-06-11T14:36:50.366-07:00

@Ebony..


Well, erm.. I'm black in the UK and and I am not fucking jolly.
And yes racism is different in the UK, it manifests in ways you could not even begin to imagine.
By stripping you of your identity, your heritage and your culture.

You will never hear the word, 'Afro-brit' because British identity does not allow it. We blacks over this side of the border are living with the WP who invented indentured slavery.

No, we have not had the history of slavery you've had, because our history has been wiped out. Hidden and erased from the pages of History books.

Where do you think Saara Bartman (venus Hottentot) was paraded naked down the streets as a side show freak?.

I wish to God, people would realise that slavery didn't just happen in the US and no, you guys didn;t get the worst of it. You just got it documented.

And whilst we are at it, what is it with WP holding other black cultures of which they have no understanding of, up as some kinda model black pathology.

Listen..WP, when you are on holiday we can tell.. because you relax your attitude towards us, you say please and thank you and you step out of your hard ass shell, you pretend to be interested and to some extent we chill around you because we know you are only here for a little while.

It doesn't mean that you understand us, what we are struggling against and for and you definitely cannot speak on our behalf.