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By: Amy

Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:05:52 +0000

Thanks for the laugh, Hoye. :)

By: Patrick

Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:07:38 +0000

Oh my $deity. What on earth is wrong with blacklist? It has nothing to do with race. According to the Oxford dictionary: "a list of people or products viewed with suspicion or disapproval."

The argument over having it translated is just plain wrong - any decent translator is going to translate blacklist in the equivelant in the language, not the literal translation. If not, well, they're not doing their job are they?

By: Mike Hoye

Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:20:50 +0000

You wouldn't believe how many times I've had to tell people that the 2003 blackout was actually a power failure, and not a racial purge.

By: greg

Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:51:50 +0000

shaver - I read your blog from planet mozilla. You asked a question. I gave some answers. I'm not trying to say what you should do in your personal life and no, I'm not pulling your leg.

I agree it's "politically correct" but that's just one reason not to use it. Isn't their sufficient value in being able to have your page translated into any language and have people understand "list of disallowed servers" rather than something like "list of servers that is in black text".

By: Coop

Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:30:39 +0000

I used to know who to always bet on, but now I'm adrift in a sea of political correctness. Sigh.

In all seriousness though, the RBL has cut down the amount of spam I'm receiving on my neon account by several orders of magnitude. Thanks!

By: Mike Hoye

Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:36:45 +0000

Paging Dr. Rorschach. Dr. Rorschach to the caucasian courtesy phone, please.

By: mawrya

Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:59:34 +0000

"If your email to me doesn't go through, email me..."

Ha! Thanks for the chuckle... I may be missing something, however, I think I will tuck this line away for future uses of my own!

Rafael - You might win more friends to your viewpoint if you were more sensitive. Unsolicited advice may come across as finger-pointing where the recipient feels unfairly accused of something when their motive was completely innocent.

Sensitivity - if only it were black and white.

By: Rafael

Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:27:42 +0000

I noticed: and also noticed your post, so I brought it up.

You can do what you want, it's your system. Others (including me) are more sensitive to the term blacklist and whitelist. Those terms are racially charged, and I prefer we not use those terms in a user facing way. There's nothing for you to be impressed about.

By: shaver

Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:22:03 +0000

Greg's reasons vary from "based on false premise" to "you must be pulling my leg".

But I didn't say anywhere that we should switch what we use in any software. You came to my blog and told me to use a different term for something I'm doing to my mail server. I don't have to carry "block list" baggage from the suite to my own system administration (and the list in question is a black list, the contents of which I'm choosing to block -- the list itself does not block anything, and could be used for a number of purposes).

I am profoundly unimpressed.

By: Rafael

Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:17:22 +0000

We've been using block and allow lists for quite some time now with our pop-up blocker, extensions, etc lists, introduced in the suite and carried over to Firefox and Thunderbird.

We shouldn't go back to using black/white list because of greg's arguments above plus we'd be inconsistent with what we're doing already with allow/block lists.