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Updated: 2014-12-02T03:38:37.414+02:00

 



You know what is really awful and really shows AWe...

2007-03-04T21:03:00.000+02:00

You know what is really awful and really shows AWer stripes???

They chose to ridicule, castigate, and denigrate those who objected to the symbol and its associative historic meaning. They defended Hitler, whether satire or not...which wasn't clear at ALL. They railroaded and castigated everyone who objected. Not one of those standing by, not one mod, not one admin, not one board regular, chided, corrected, posted admonishment, decried, or even whimpered anything close to putting a stop to the outrage.

Only NOW that they are firmly on record and it might hurt their prestige and pocket book do they begin to try to explain away their actions. Are they really sorry? Nope. Are they really serious about gaining an enlightened view? Nope again. Are they really ONLY showing self-interest because, whoops, this might just bite us in the ass! YES.

These people are dangerous in their ignorance, their opportunism, and mostly in their menacing herd mentality, a mentality that says nothing but ugly about this majority of low minds so common on the net and in the world. Beware. These folks vote, too.



So now they are trying to do "damage control" by P...

2007-03-04T20:33:00.000+02:00

So now they are trying to do "damage control" by PMing the poster to post an explanation of meaning. Really. And could the post please be edited, asks the poster when told that many members were jumping ship...as they should.

Well, you can't change the reality. The point is, it was all said. The point is, not one mod or admin or anyone else objected in the moment nor until is was discovered that we had posted the information and thread link.

And, gee, I've got a time-date-stamped print-screen with the URL.

Here is the situation as I see it. These AWers make "light" of Hitler, make "light" of the Swastika and its historic significance. And they haven't got one clue to the real horrors perpetrated by the man, his followers, his adherents, and the entire population of bystanders who allowed this to happen. Yet, their fathers, grandfathers, or great grandfathers were affected by this man. The horrors of that war afflicted everyone, from the mom who went into the munitions factory to the fighter in the air and on the ground, not to mention their children, of which I am one. This genocide that went beyond genocide in de-humanizing people, Jews and gypsies and more, was no less that the greatest atrocity in human history, one which even the Inquisition has a difficult time competing with, and that was horrible in itself.

I am the daughter of a WWII fighter pilot hero, decorated, lauded, and SCARRED forever. The mere name, Hitler, sends shudders through me. My father, on his deathbed, relived the horrors that war did to his psyche. His daughter, me, completely and utterly finds despicable any of these fools who tot off their ignorant, irreverent mouths. Despicable, yes. No moral caliber; just ignorant and malicious, which reduces them to beyond contempt.



Uneducated sensibilities???That is perverse. By s...

2007-03-04T19:07:00.000+02:00

Uneducated sensibilities???
That is perverse.

By stating who we are friends with, what race or religion we married into or who our ancestors are does NOT excuse that each of us is responsible for our own actions. We each think for ourselves.

Jean Marie asks:
So, am I not to talk to all of them since what some of them believe in offends your uneducated sensibilities? Actually, my dad and grandfather are both deceased, so that leaves them out of the equation.

Again, why are we considered uneducated?

We can NOT simply get by just because we are fortunate to have friends and family of many cultures. To do so is to absurd.
No one has suggested you must stop speaking to anyone. All that is asked is to really look at the issue.

A lot of smoke and mirrors have been used to hide the facts. In my opinion, Renee said it best.

If a person wants to show pride in their faith, one does not do so in this manner.

I would'nt dare call her uneducated!


To allow suffering, on any level, is wrong. I too have friends and family from all over this great world of ours. I would NEVER allow that to cloud nor influence my thoughts.

If I find something offensive or hurtful to myself or others, It is my obligation to stand up for what is right because to ignore or let it go only allows it to continue.

I am saddened by the fact that many have chosen to allow a symbol to become more important than humans. I am saddened that each time this symbol rears it's ugly head, many are forced to suffer yet again. In the end, it does not matter where it's usage began, what matters is what it's usage represents.

I too will continue on in my life, standing up for what is right and the rights of humans. I will never ignore or turn away. I will never become an enabler to injustice or suffering.

May all of you find peace in your world today and always.

Paula



So here we have a "no nasty comments about Hitler"...

2007-03-04T16:39:00.000+02:00

So here we have a "no nasty comments about Hitler" post that NO ONE in AW commented on.

The post? http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1159143&postcount=26

The quote: "And those nasty comments about Hitler should stop too. He's a fellow writer, and yet people keep making personal attacks against him."

And not one comment arguing that idea from AW admins/mods. We've got ourselves some problems in there. And this supposedly the "best and biggest" writer's community on the net? You know, something smells pretty gamey here. I hope the writers guilds get wind of this real quick, because something needs to happen to either change its ownership to something socially responsible or show it for what it is, because, right now, any writer associating with AW is going to be suspect in my mind as pro-hate, off-the-wall weird Hitler applauders, not sane people with sound ethics and mores. Something is really, really wrong in there. I knew it when I went in there and got run out on a rail for nothing except being an outsider, but I had no idea these people would defend Hitler.



Jean Marie,The WORDS belong to medievalist!Here is...

2007-03-04T15:32:00.000+02:00

Jean Marie,

The WORDS belong to medievalist!

Here is the post. http://community.livejournal.com/awwatercooler/890.html with the wonderful “Johniesfuckwit” comment in that blog thread: http://community.livejournal.com/awwatercooler/890.html?thread=4730#t4730

Were a simple request for the individual to adjust his signature because the symbol was too suggestive of the Holocaust effected, much pain and anguish could have been avoided here. We are long past this now, however, as, instead of soothing things with gentle words and soothing water, verbal gasoline and nitro accelerants were employed, something summarily unsurprising and, in fact, completely forseeable if one is familiar with the administrative individuals and their venue that is AW and its corresponding blog(s).



I've read everything, Paula. Which is why I poste...

2007-03-04T01:52:00.000+02:00

I've read everything, Paula. Which is why I posted, here.

And, Ted, I'm not attempting to either scare or intimidate you. Where you get that from, I don't know. But, thank you for allowing me to post on your blog.

There are a number of things being tossed about that are untrue. The banner was not created by Mac. It was created by someone else. That I know for certain. I also know it's hateful. It's uncalled for.

The swastika has been around for thousands of years. That's a certainty, too. The shame of it is, is that the Nazis latched onto it. However, that doesn't mean that the Buddhists, Navajos and others who've used it prior to them should quit using it. That makes no sense whatsoever. It belongs to them.

This issue affects me, personally, on several levels. My grandfather was Jewish--my father's dad. He married a Catholic woman and they raised both their sons, Catholic. Therefore, I'm, Irish, German and Jewish. My uncle's daughter and husband are both practicing Buddhists. A dear friend of mine is a pure-blood Navajo living on a reservation in Gallup, New Mexico. And, Mac is also a dear friend of mine.

So, am I not to talk to all of them since what some of them believe in offends your uneducated sensibilities? Actually, my dad and grandfather are both deceased, so that leaves them out of the equation.

But what of my Buddhist practicing cousin, Navajo friend and Mac? I love all of them and since your beliefs and mine differ, I find myself in an honest quandry.

I'm not throwing out the baby w/ the bath-water. Not when I know, for certain, what the source is. I'm not giving up my friendships/relationships, based on misunderstandings/misinformation/misreading and lack of education. Sorry. Won't do it.

It's unfair to me, my family and friends.



I believe the banner of Hate Jean Marie refers to ...

2007-03-03T22:31:00.000+02:00

I believe the banner of Hate Jean Marie refers to is a grouping of words spewed forth at those who posed a legitimate question regarding the use of a symbol.

Upon questioning, anyone in disagreement with those on the Live Journal were attacked.

The banner is just showing all the names they were called. In hindsight, the very person you are accusing Ted of treating with such vile, helped create the banner.

As for saying he is spreading hate, I suggest you read the comments posted on this site where you don't have to fear being called names.



Jean..Your words do not scare me. I am going to sa...

2007-03-03T20:34:00.000+02:00

Jean..

Your words do not scare me. I am going to say this once again. I don't reject comments unless they are violent or hate riddled or comments are made to just flood the blog. In the end though I will decide what I reject and do not reject. On your blog - you do what you like.

As to intelligence. Why argue such a point? Once again the name calling is clear for all thinking individuals.

As to the graphic - It bothers you? What exactly about it can bother you? Those words were used by those who you praise. The symbol is something you claim to be full of love. What can possibly bother you about it? The Mob mentality? You mean you want "intelligent" people to overlook the use of swastika's and accept Mob mentality? You use a swastika. I use a graphic that simply puts all of your "intelligence" together into one small graphic.

What a bunch of words mixed together with a totality of foolishness. I tire of people who go around with "peace" on their lapel blind to all things but their own inner evil. Actually enlightening but disgusting. Depraved indifference and foolishness all mixed together in words which are beyond understanding.

Silence is not an option here...



And what exactly do you think you're spreading, Te...

2007-03-03T20:10:00.000+02:00

And what exactly do you think you're spreading, Ted w/ that god-awful image of yours? I'm referring to the hate AW banner.

You're also showing your lack of intelligence. I suppose the Navajos should quit using a similar symbol, now. One that has been a part of their heritage for thousands of years.

You are not part of the solution, Ted, you a part of the problem. Your choice. Make it a wise one. Spread peace, instead.

I suspect you'll not allow this comment to stand. Which will prove my point of your blog only spewing/supporting hatred. Sad state of affairs, really. What's even more sad, is that you have the audacity to return to AW, and treat Mac like a piece of dirt when she has done nothing to you, personally.

I don't understand why she allows you in her virtual home w/ the hatred you hand her. She is the kindest, most loving woman I've ever had the pleasure of knowing.



Double standard? In the US? Very much so. In fa...

2007-03-02T15:06:00.000+02:00

Double standard? In the US? Very much so. In fact, it goes far beyond double. As a nation, we are spineless, our mores and ethics resembling changlings, adjusting themselves to political and financial opportunism. The hope is in the learned, ethical individual whose priniciples waver not, but who holds an open mind, knows and understands the significant lessons of history, can discern truth and conceive trend's consequences.

What is very disturbing to me is that, now, several others have copied the symbol into their signatures as well. They claim they are "taking it back," the symbol, cleaning it of its Nazi heritage. No. They are, in fact, simply refusing, for pride's sake, to admit error in judgement, flaunting their position, stubbornly standing in denial. TD will carry the AW Hate Mob icon so long as this organization persists in its abuses. I recommend all who care do the same. Copies may be downloaded here: http://www.thedeepening.com/Images/AW_Hate.gif , http://www.thedeepening.com/Images/AW_Hate200.gif , http://www.thedeepening.com/Images/AW_Hate250.gif The image is public domain according to its creator.



Semiotics / First Amendment Rights / Hypocrisy Cas...

2007-03-02T06:33:00.000+02:00

Semiotics / First Amendment Rights / Hypocrisy

Case One:
The U.S. Civil War, resulted in approximately 558,000 Americans being killed, and the elimination of slavery in the U.S., and yet over one hundred and forty two years later the display of the U.S. Confederate flag, pins, shirts, etc. is considered highly offensive and a symbol of racism and slavery. This “symbol”, whether tilted, stretched, turned sideways on a Tee-shirt or bumper sticker, is immediately recognized as offensive and inflammatory.

Despite there being no living Civil War veterans or Black Slaves, there are numerous court cases launched to ban the display of the Confederate flag in the ex-Confederate States, and I am certain they will eventually succeed.

Case Two:
Sixty years ago, approximately 16 to 18 Million human beings were exterminated by the Nazis, who per chance used a modified version of a multi-thousand year old Buddhist/Hindu peace symbol on their flag.

That happened in my generation, and there are thousands of living survivors and yet the display of the Nazi Swastika is protected under the U.S. Constitution (see reference note).
Now we are not talking about tilting or reversing the Swastika, we are talking about the real thing.

It is like printing graphic pornography and claiming that the American Founding Fathers meant that to be protected as well.

Is there anyone except me that thinks there is a double standard in play here?

Note:
The Constitutional Protection of the Swastika

The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (1973-), Vol. 69, No. 3 (Autumn, 1978), pp. 367-371 doi:10.2307/1142331



After reading through everything here and on the o...

2007-03-02T06:14:00.000+02:00

After reading through everything here and on the other site, I tried to think of what else could be said. Each and every person on this site presented in a mature manner. I am left to wonder why the other site came across so angry.

I work with anger every day. I am a case worker for youths in a very troubled neighborhood. I see anger in kids who want to know why there is so much hate among the people in the community. Many of them are looking for a way to stop it. They are desperate to end the violence they are forced to live every day of their young lives.

Some of my friends ask how I can work in such a stress filled, sometimes dangerous job. They want to know why I continue to do it.

After reading all the hate filled comments to a simple question, I confirmed to myself why I do it.

As long as there are people promoting hate, disregard and evil, I must continue to show our youth that each of us can make a difference. It is not easy but it also not impossible.

I will refrain from getting repetative of what has already been said. The previous comments have covered it.

In reading Renee's story, I cried.
I applaud you for sharing with us and apologize that you even had to. I'm sure it was done with great difficulty and raw emotion.

My wish is simple. For hate to end and peace to be had by all.

I will fight for this and I will not turn away either.

Peace to all of you.


Chantalle Frasier-Manning