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Updated: 2008-05-18T07:40:49.129-07:00

 



"what is occupation": As I said, read the Geneva C...

2007-10-15T03:41:00.000-07:00

"what is occupation": As I said, read the Geneva Conventions. By the way, you're so blinded by your argument that you are presuming that the house held a "group of terrorists" while even the US military talked about "suspected al-Qaida militants".

Whatever the case, this is in breach of the Geneva Conventions which you brought up yourself as an argument. Go ahead, read them!



v said...U.S. Occupation Forces Systematically Kil...

2007-10-14T12:33:00.000-07:00

v said...
U.S. Occupation Forces Systematically Kill 10,000 or More Iraqis Per Month

Its not enough!!! 5 times that number would make me laugh with glee



So they will kill all IRAQIS as ALL OF THEM OPPOSE...

2007-10-13T13:22:00.000-07:00

So they will kill all IRAQIS as ALL OF THEM OPPOSE OCCUPATION and support INSURGANCE



wrong not so smart ass."Iraqi "government" approve...

2007-10-13T12:36:00.000-07:00

wrong not so smart ass.


"Iraqi "government" approves of killing Sunni children
Shiite aide: A few Sunni civilian deaths are 'unavoidable'
Associated Press



October 12, 2007

BAGHDAD - Iraq's Shiite-dominated government said the killings of 15 women and children in a U.S. attack on a Sunni area were a "sorrowful matter," but emphasized yesterday that civilian deaths are unavoidable in the fight against al Qaeda in Iraq.

The comments by government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh appeared to be tacit approval of Thursday's raid northwest of Baghdad. They suggested the Iraqi government holds the American military to a different standard when it comes to assaults against suspected Sunni insurgents.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government has complained loudly to U.S. military officials when Shiite civilians have been killed in American attacks against Mahdi Army militants, and tensions have been high over recent shootings of Iraqi civilians by private security contractors.

"We are in a war against those diabolical and wicked groups; therefore during military operations there might be innocents killed," he added. "The victims are an unavoidable matter in fighting al Qaeda," al-Dabbagh said.

Meanwhile yesterday, a former chief of U.S. forces in Iraq said the U.S. mission there is a "nightmare with no end in sight" because of political misjudgments after the fall of Saddam Hussein that continue today.

Retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who commanded coalition troops for a year beginning June 2003, cast a wide net of blame for both political and military shortcomings in Iraq that helped open the way for the insurgency. *"



US kills '25 militants' in IraqThe military said t...

2007-10-13T08:02:00.000-07:00

US kills '25 militants' in Iraq
The military said the target of the operation had been a Shia militia commander linked to the elite Quds Force of Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

U.S. Forces Kill 25 Shiite Militiamen in Iraq
BAGHDAD — U.S. forces backed by attack aircraft killed at least 25 Shiite militia fighters north of Baghdad Friday in an operation targeting a cell accused of smuggling weapons from Iran, the military said.

The troops were seeking the commander of a rogue militia group believed to be associated with the Quds Force, an elite branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, the U.S. military said.






Eagle said... US to investigate death of Iraqis...

2007-10-13T07:51:00.000-07:00

Eagle said...

US to investigate death of Iraqis
The US military has said it will investigate an operation in Iraq which left 15 women and children dead, alongside 19 suspected militants.

US investigates child deaths in airstrike
American forces are investigating how a barrage of airstrikes on suspected insurgent targets in Iraq killed nine children and six women, in one of the highest civilian death tolls acknowledged by the military since the March 2003 invasion.
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As I have said repeatedly, these are mere tokens, to give the appearance of moral pangs. Just in case you missed it -

U.S. Occupation Forces Systematically Kill 10,000 or More Iraqis Per Month



US to investigate death of IraqisThe US military h...

2007-10-13T06:48:00.000-07:00

US to investigate death of Iraqis
The US military has said it will investigate an operation in Iraq which left 15 women and children dead, alongside 19 suspected militants.

US investigates child deaths in airstrike
American forces are investigating how a barrage of airstrikes on suspected insurgent targets in Iraq killed nine children and six women, in one of the highest civilian death tolls acknowledged by the military since the March 2003 invasion.



Mike in fucking texas (which was stolen from Mexic...

2007-10-12T20:03:00.000-07:00

Mike in fucking texas (which was stolen from Mexico): Who in the fucking hell proclaimed your goddamn country the policeman of the world??? Get your fuckin' shitheaded marines and armed forces back to the place where they came from and let the middle eastern people solve their own problems. It is really that simple! Nobody asked for your fuckin' help in the first place.



During the hearing about Haditha one of the invest...

2007-10-12T19:16:00.000-07:00

During the hearing about Haditha one of the investigators addressed the larger question that emerges from the sacrifice of so many civilians to the cause of chasing and catching insurgents in Iraq. Lieutenant Max D. Frank, the first officer to investigate the deaths, characterized is an "unfortunate and unintended result of local residents' allowing insurgent fighters to use family homes to shoot at passing American patrols." Using a similar logic, First Lt. Adam P. Mathes, the executive office of the company involved, argued against issuing an apology to local residents for the incident. Mathes advocated that instead they should issue a warning to Haditha residents, that the incident was "an unfortunate thing that happens when you let terrorists use your house to attack our troops."

The Merriam Webster dictionary defines terror as "violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population. ..." The incident at Haditha was just such a violent act, and was one of about 100 that day that Lt. Mathes hoped would intimidate the population of Haditha and other towns in Iraq from continuing to support insurgents.






"The issue of 15 civilian victims is a sorrowful m...

2007-10-12T18:22:00.000-07:00

"The issue of 15 civilian victims is a sorrowful matter, but confronting al-Qaida is an essential and vital issue," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "They shouldn't have any place among the civilians.""We are in a war against those diabolical and wicked groups; therefore during military operations there might be innocents killed," he added. "The victims are an unavoidable matter in fighting al-Qaida."__________________________Let me ask you this, and this was the testimony during the mass killing of civilians at Haditha. What is the material difference between the above testimony and this one - "He inspected one of the homes with a Marine corporal, Hector Salinas, and found women, children and older men who had been killed when marines threw a grenade into the room. "'What the hell happened, why aren't there any insurgents here?' Lieutenant Kallop testified that he asked aloud. 'I looked at Corporal Salinas, and he looked just as shocked as I did.'It is important to keep in mind that Lt. Kallop would not have been shocked if there had been one or more insurgents among the dead. What made the situation problematic was that all the fatalities were clearly civilians, and it led to the possibility that they had not been in hot pursuit of an enemy combatant.Later, however, Lt. Kallop decided that even this situation involved no misbehavior on the part of his troops, after questioning Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, who had led the patrol and commanded the military action:"Sergeant Wuterich had told him that they had killed people [in that house] after approaching a door to it and hearing the distinct metallic sound of an AK-47 being prepared to fire. "'I thought that was within the rules of engagement because the squad leader thought that he was about to kick in the door and walk into a machine gun,' Lieutenant Kallop said." According to Kallop, the soldiers were thus following the rules of engagement because if the squad leader "thought" that he was going to be attacked (based on recognizing a noise through a closed door), he was authorized and justified to use the full lethal force of the patrol (in this case a hand grenade), enough to kill all the people huddled within the apartment.The critical distinction has to do with intentionality. First Lieutenant Max D. Frank, sent to investigate the incident somewhat later, explained this logic: "It was unfortunate what happened, sir," Lieutenant Frank told the Marine prosecutor, Lt. Col. Sean Sullivan, "but I didn't have any reason to believe that what they had done was on purpose."Translated, this means that as long as the soldiers sincerely believed that their attack might capture or kill an armed insurgent who could attack them, the rules of engagement justified their action and they were therefore not culpable of any crime.Note here that other alternatives were not considered. The soldiers could have decided that there was a good chance of hurting civilians in this situation, and therefore retreated without pursuing the suspected insurgent. This would have allowed him to get away, but it would have protected the residents of the house. This option was not considered, even though many of us might feel that letting one or two or three insurgents escape (in a town filled with insurgents) might be acceptable instead of risking (and ultimately ending) the lives of 19 civilians."Rather than an isolated incident, this happens hundreds of times a day, during thousands of "missions." Hence, the title of my post in August of this year - U.S. Occupation Forces Systematically Kill 10,000 or More Iraqis Per MonthWhat you just read posted at 3:50PM is the same regurgitation of the rules of engagement, the obvious importance of "getting the insurgent," which make the lives o[...]



I Used To Be a NeoconMost of all the tiny wheels d...

2007-10-12T17:51:00.000-07:00

I Used To Be a Neocon
Most of all the tiny wheels do not know about the big wheel that’s pulling them.



Good news:19 dead AQI adds up to fewer murder vict...

2007-10-12T16:53:00.000-07:00

Good news:19 dead AQI adds up to fewer murder victims dumped along the rivers,and fewer car bombs in the markets of Sadr City.Our US armed forces are saving lives the old fashioned way,one 500 pound guided munition at a time.If PM Maliki doesn't like the quality of our work,he should get his own f. army in here to clean out these cockroaches.



And sistani is a respected elder! How many women ...

2007-10-12T16:22:00.000-07:00

And sistani is a respected elder! How many women and how many children and how many times does this massacre have to happen, before sistani takes his fatwas and shove'em up his wimpy ass!



Maliki is a criminal Iraq sends mixed messages on ...

2007-10-12T15:59:00.000-07:00

Maliki is a criminal Iraq sends mixed messages on U.S. raidBy KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 24 minutes agoIraq's Shiite-dominated government said the killings of 15 women and children in a U.S. attack on a Sunni area were a "sorrowful matter," but emphasized Friday that civilian deaths are unavoidable in the fight against al-Qaida in Iraq.The comments by government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh appeared to be tacit approval of Thursday's raid northwest of Baghdad. They suggested the Iraqi government holds the American military to a different standard when it comes to assaults against suspected Sunni insurgents.Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government has complained loudly to U.S. military officials when Shiite civilians have been killed in American attacks against Mahdi Army militants, and tensions have been high over recent shootings of Iraqi civilians by private security contractors protecting U.S.-government-funded work.On Friday, al-Dabbagh said the area targeted by American forces was a known base for insurgents, whom he accused of hiding among civilians."The issue of 15 civilian victims is a sorrowful matter, but confronting al-Qaida is an essential and vital issue," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "They shouldn't have any place among the civilians.""We are in a war against those diabolical and wicked groups; therefore during military operations there might be innocents killed," he added. "The victims are an unavoidable matter in fighting al-Qaida."The assault targeting senior al-Qaida in Iraq leaders near Lake Tharthar, about 50 miles northwest of the capital, inflicted one of the heaviest civilian death tolls in the offensive against the terror network in recent months. The military said 19 suspected insurgents, six women and nine children died, and two suspected insurgents, one woman and three children were wounded.U.S. spokesman Rear Adm. Greg Smith said the military would examine surveillance footage and interview troops to confirm the sequence of events. "We certainly will do a very thorough investigation to ensure the force used was appropriate," he said."We do what we can to ensure that we minimize to the greatest extent possible the loss of life of civilians," Smith said. "But in instances where your forces are being fired upon, you're going to use all necessary means to reduce that threat." He accused al-Qaida fighters of using their relatives and other innocent people to shield themselves.The military said ground troops backed by attack aircraft acted on intelligence reports about an al-Qaida meeting at an initial location near the man-made lake, which straddles the volatile Sunni Anbar and Salahuddin provinces. Four insurgents were killed in that strike, but several suspects fled to another location, the military said.American troops pursuing them faced small-arms fire, and a subsequent airstrike caused most of the casualties.Tensions are running high in Iraq over the killings of civilians by U.S. forces and private security guards.A representative of the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, urged the parliament to take up the issue of unjustified killings of Iraqi civilians, especially by the armed teams from mostly Western companies."Iraqi blood has become the cheapest thing in Iraq," Sheik Abdul Mahdi al-Karbalai said in a Friday sermon in the Shiite holy city of Karbala. "So we demand the Iraqi parliament meet to discuss the devaluing of Iraqi blood and souls by these companies."Al-Qaida in Iraq had announced stepped-up attacks during Ramadan, and there has been a spike in car bombings and other attacks usually blamed on the terror network.[...]



"America is the only nation in history whichmiracu...

2007-10-12T15:45:00.000-07:00

"America is the only nation in history which
miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to
degeneration without the usual interval of
civilization".
-Oscar Wilde



What is constipation said,"I am a non-apologetic J...

2007-10-12T15:34:00.000-07:00

What is constipation said,

"I am a non-apologetic Jew."
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Being a Jew has nothing to do with your racism and your callous nature, it is a psychological problem. Just like being Jewish has nothing to do with the occupation (constipation, whatever) - it is a national psychosis, a criminal act, that does not have ethnic consequence. You do not represent all of the Jewish population - you are an anomaly, a mishap, a misshapen misanthrope that borderlines on inhumanity. The majority of the Jewish people have nothing to do with your twisted sentiments, nor are we interested in entertaining your screeds.



The anonymous jarub are comedic, actually.

2007-10-12T15:27:00.001-07:00

The anonymous jarub are comedic, actually.



"plays the american propaganda, that all iraqis na...

2007-10-12T15:27:00.000-07:00

"plays the american propaganda, that all iraqis nationalists fighting the occupation are al-qaeda. "

Really? Where? It's obvious there is a 'legitimate' Iraqi nationalist resistance that has fought the occupiers, but I wonder if that same 'legit' resistance has murdered innocent Iraqis. And wasn't much of the 'legit' resistance allied with Al Qaeda until recently?

Some Iraqi nationalists are now allied with the occupiers. How do you feel about them? It's funny how the idiots here condemned Iraqis who cooperate with Americans, but not a peep about their brave nationalist heroes like 1920 Revolution! man talk about hypocrisy.



What is "Occupation" said..."collective punishment...

2007-10-12T15:25:00.000-07:00

What is "Occupation" said...

"collective punishment is not the same as taking out a house that holds a group of terrorists, regardless if there are civilians there."
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Sorry, the conventions and all canons of law disagree with you -

Got zol im bentshn mit dray mentshn: eyner zol im haltn, der tsveyter zol im shpaltn un der driter zol im ba’haltn.



Wait a minute, you forgot to curse the "jarabs" fo...

2007-10-12T14:41:00.000-07:00

Wait a minute, you forgot to curse the "jarabs" for blowing up the Iraqis...and you still said nothing about the post "U.S. Occupation Systematically Kill 10,000 or More Iraqis Per Month."

he won't it'll lead him to a cetain place , he will have to condemn the american military and declare his side with iraqi nationalists who want to rid their coutnry from them. any sane person would. but he blurs differences, plays the american propaganda, that all iraqis nationalists fighting the occupation are al-qaeda.

he stated on different occassions he supports the american military and that they can bring security, that's after they kill over half a million. he even wants the killers to come home safely.

a sectarian hypocrite and traitor.



collective punishment is not the same as taking ou...

2007-10-12T14:40:00.000-07:00

collective punishment is not the same as taking out a house that holds a group of terrorists, regardless if there are civilians there..



Iraqi Mojo said... The draft oil law has been s...

2007-10-12T14:30:00.000-07:00

Iraqi Mojo said...

The draft oil law has been stuck in Parliament for a long time now. I've written about it on my blog. I hope the Iraqi govt does not allow the Bush team to exploit Iraqi oil like the Bushies want so badly to.

Thank you for the article. I will post it on my blog.
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Wait a minute, you forgot to curse the "jarabs" for blowing up the Iraqis...and you still said nothing about the post "U.S. Occupation Systematically Kill 10,000 or More Iraqis Per Month."



The draft oil law has been stuck in Parliament for...

2007-10-12T14:16:00.000-07:00

The draft oil law has been stuck in Parliament for a long time now. I've written about it on my blog. I hope the Iraqi govt does not allow the Bush team to exploit Iraqi oil like the Bushies want so badly to.

Thank you for the article. I will post it on my blog.