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Comments on Capitalism Bad; Tree Pretty: Abortion Access in New Zealand





Updated: 2017-06-04T10:45:19.557+12:00

 



Feminism is about giving equal rights to woman, is...

2007-03-08T19:55:00.000+13:00

Feminism is about giving equal rights to woman, is it not? How many less graves will we have to dance on by the time your career is through? Quite alot I'd say. Equality of choice, equality of life. Equality of career choice only comes when we stop killing our children to fit into a mans world of business. It was feminists that brought in the dpb as well. Rather have my taxes go towards the dpb once I'm qualified, than one more abortion.
Young mum, Auckland. Ps- I'm not a fanatical christian-just someone that believes in equality.



It doesn't really, but it does provide a nice aven...

2006-10-08T13:42:00.000+13:00

It doesn't really, but it does provide a nice avenue for people to try to derail the discussion.

The NZ system may suck, but I wouldn't go to the US to seek a solution. Here everything is run by and for the benefit of private insurance companies.



I understand the limiting of your goal - however t...

2006-06-07T09:43:00.000+12:00

I understand the limiting of your goal - however the phrasing of the original statement is precisely the type of thing that extenuates underlying sexism. If you stated that your lifelong goal was to dance on every persons grave that voted for the 1977 legislation, and that they were all men then it would get your point across.
To simply phrase it as dancing on every mans grave that voted for the legislation however dilutes the perspective of the post.



Just as it is "iiq374" not "iiq1374" Sofiya... :-p...

2006-06-06T13:32:00.000+12:00

Just as it is "iiq374" not "iiq1374" Sofiya... :-p



iiq374 I understand that there are other people wh...

2006-06-02T22:35:00.000+12:00

iiq374 I understand that there are other people who have tried to restrict abortion rights in New Zealand. Some of them have succeeded (although luckily Judith Collins isn't one of them).

While dancing on the grave of everyone who has ever opposed abortion rights is a worthy goal, it's a little bit beyond me (and anyway some of them might outlive me). So I'm limiting my goal to the MPs who voted for CS&A in 1977 - they all happen to be men, and I don't have a problem bringing attention to this fact.

I'm more than happy to fight the women who oppose abortion rights in other ways.



It's "non sequitur", not "non sequiter", iiq1374. ...

2006-06-02T17:58:00.000+12:00

It's "non sequitur", not "non sequiter", iiq1374. But a highly educated pundit like yourself probably knows that already.



So Maia - will you also be dancing on the graves o...

2006-06-02T17:17:00.000+12:00

So Maia - will you also be dancing on the graves of Mary O'Neill and Judith Collins? Were they involved in the original 70's law passing - no. But they have both been heavily involved in making it more conservative in their time since.

But my real point is that it is not only males that have opposed abortion, and surely your anger should be directed at *all* those people who have led to the position that you despise; rather than limiting it some on basis of their sex.

Hypocrite and Non-Sequiter are the only conclusions available at that point.



Sofiya - the point is that under our "free" system...

2006-06-02T17:08:00.000+12:00

Sofiya - the point is that under our "free" system you still get those bills, or you don't get surgery.
You might be "lucky" and be critical enough to make it to the head of the queue but if your surgery is even marginally "elective" you just won't get it.

And then you get the wonders of getting run around the different DHB's over here, or in some cases even flown to Australia to be able to have the surgery at all.



Off topic for a sec, sorry, but the cops have just...

2006-06-02T14:58:00.000+12:00

Off topic for a sec, sorry, but the cops have just charged two Christchurch crew for handing out Louise Nicholas case fliers.

http://anarchia.wordpress.com/2006/06/02/police-charge-christchurch-louise-nicholas-supporters/



iiq374 - it's often a bad idea to comment on thing...

2006-06-02T13:21:00.000+12:00

iiq374 - it's often a bad idea to comment on things you know nothing about. Every single MP who voted for the Contraception, Sterilisation and Abortion Act was a man. THere were four female MPs in 1977 and they all opposed the Act (every female MP voted against restrictions to abortion every time they came up in the 1970s).

You're also wrong about my objections. My objection is that every woman doesn't have access to abortion in the closest hospital (or closer - more on that later).

Apologies on the geography - I placed Ashburton (and also Thames and Tokoroa ) and my concept of the whereabouts of small towns isn't great. I hope to have a much better map done as soon as I get the open-source picture manipulator thing. This map was done with paint, which obviously has some limitations.



The health system in New Zealand sucks ass. I've g...

2006-06-02T12:15:00.000+12:00

The health system in New Zealand sucks ass. I've got a condition that requires some elective surgery. At the moment it's been causing me some problems so I went to the closest international clinic where I was referred to a specialist the very next day, and if I was foolish enough to undertake the surgery overseas then I could have had it in a few weeks. Back home I shudder to think how long I'd wait just for my first appointment.

However I do think we need to get over this charade of the current legislation and legislate for on demand aboritions. I also think that we should legalize non-surgical abortion options like RU486.



This is completely unrelated to your post, but I'm...

2006-06-02T12:05:00.000+12:00

This is completely unrelated to your post, but I'm a geography nazi: Is it worth pointing out to the original website that their map has Ashburton Hospital somewhere on the coast just west of Leeston? Ashburton is a good 50 km west-southwest of there.



Sure you could. You'd also pay through the nose fo...

2006-06-02T09:39:00.000+12:00

Sure you could. You'd also pay through the nose for it. Have you ever lived in America and undergone the joys of surgery under the capitalist system? Trust me, if you'd ever received a hospital bill for US$73,000, you'd be changing your tune pretty quickly.



2 things:It would be nice if you amended your life...

2006-06-02T09:05:00.000+12:00

2 things:
It would be nice if you amended your life long goal to "dance on every persons grave that voted for the legislation". While it may have been a majority of males in the vote I doubt it was exclusively male.

Your main complaints about having to go where the DHB sends you rather than where is closest or you are willing to pay are complaints about the current Socialist hospital system in general. It is not abortion specific. It may be excaberated in the case of abortions but every surgical related procedure has the same issues.

And guess what - that is a left leaning Socialist construct; capitalism would allow you to go to whichever hospital you chose that could do what you wanted...