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In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set.



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By: nik

Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:53:36 +0000

Jill - the article is totally clear that it's a fall in proportions. The title (probably written by a subeditor) is "Disappearing Act". Then we get:... (Paragraph 1) "more young women in my classes than young men" (Paragraph 2) trouble recruiting and retaining male students - 2-to-1 ratio, women to men. (Paragraph 3) phrase "mysteriously vanishing" used, and is immediately put in context as a reduction in the percent of students. (Paragraph 4) mentions females overtaking males in college - which is refered to as a "well-documented disappearance". The first use of the word disappear in the article. It's quite clear what he's talking about. And it isn't that "women’s enrollment in colleges has pushed men out" or "that there is an education crisis that makes men less likely to go to college than they were before". These are words you're putting in his mouth. What's happened is that you don't like MRAs and right wingers (which is fair enough), so in order to bash them you're made a distorted reading of a pretty sensible article. What's your point? "Two word headline misrepresents article", "Metaphor in second sentence of fourth paragraph could be misleading if you haven't read the first sentence of the fourth paragraph"... Gurian's point - "boys are losing out on college" is true and as you say above, you don't think that's the case.



By: matt

Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:19:35 +0000

Even if this trend were in fact extant, I don't find myself particularly disturbed by its notion. In fact, I could probably care less if fewer and fewer males were attending college, being replaced by women, simply on the basis of the question: Does it really matter? No, it probably doesn't. The world's not going to come crashing down around us because of a shift in the proportion of males to female in the latter's favor. Of course, I say this sitting in my ivory tower at NYU, though by no means am I the proverbial rich white boy. Rather, my education is subsidized by the poor Southern white trash scholarship being paid for by proverbial rich white boys and girls.



By: Robert

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:59:18 +0000

Let me offer an analogous example, and then see who looks stupid Let's be even handed. You both look stupid. In nik's case, it's because he's wrong about the factual question. In your case, it's because that top does NOT go with that skirt. For God's sake, buy a mirror.



By: Jill

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:55:47 +0000

Jill, you’re making yourself look stupid. Gurian is taking about the proportion of people at college who are male, this is clearly both disproportionately low and falling.
Let me offer an analogous example, and then see who looks stupid: I start a book club. 10 people join, 7 women and 3 men. We meet a couple times and it turns out that more people want to be in this book club. We open our doors, and the enrollment jumps -- now we have 30 men and 22 women. Is there a crisis in the book club now because the proportion of women to men has decreased? Are the women in the book club "disappearing"?



By: Jill

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:49:42 +0000

Nik- I'm well aware that Gurian is talking percentages. But the suggestion that men are "disappearing" from college implies that their numbers are decreasing, when, in fact, they aren't. There are more men in college today than there were a few decades ago. There are more women, too, which makes the proportion of men to women go down. From the article:
in 1983 some 27 percent of all college-aged American men (ages 18 to 24) were enrolled in college. In 2003 that number was up to 34 percent.
So a college-aged American man is more likely to go to college now than he was 20 years ago. Women's enrollment in colleges hasn't pushed men out; there isn't an education crisis that makes men less likely to go to college than they were before. That's my point -- that Gurian has no substantive point.



By: nik

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:29:13 +0000

Jill, you're making yourself look stupid. Gurian is taking about the proportion of people at college who are male, this is clearly both disproportionately low and falling. "Disappearance" meaning a fall in proportions. The average white woman is at college, the average white man is not. He is not talking about absolute numbers - which would be daft considering recent increases in the number of people at college. Once this is understood your sole point seems to be that he used a bad analogy which could confuse the literal minded, you say absolutely nothing about the substantive point he is making.



By: mythago

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:15:14 +0000

A little manual labor is good for everybody Spoken like someone for whom manual labor is entirely optional. There's a hell of a lot of difference between doing a weekend of heavy work, and having to do it for a living.



By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » The “Boy Crisis” In Education

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:41:17 +0000

[...] t's only among Hispanic men that the rates of attendance have actually gone down. In the comments of Feministe, Rachel of the new-to-me blog Rachels Ta [...]



By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » The “Boy Crisis” In Education

Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:38:32 +0000

[...] of college attendance faster than men have been. As Robin Herman writes (hat tip: Jill at Feministe): According to the National Center for Education Statistics, in 1 [...]



By: corwin

Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:05:08 +0000

Interesting thread.It leaves un discussed people go to college for a variety of reasons.Career,social(many people my age are taking part time classes to meet someone-hopefully),inertia:ie-it's expected.Certainly career goals and interests also play a part.The part about trades is very pertinent.