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Published: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:40:28 -0800

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DC Madam does it!

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:40:09 -0800

single link newsfilter FPP: (hopefully not a DP!) She did it! (cache) Deborah Jean Palfrey (aka the DC Madam) has released the phone records. Get them before they disappear!



By: krash2fast

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:40:28 -0800

Wonder what net traffic to reverse phone directories looks like right about now?



By: KokuRyu

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:44:06 -0800

All those porn files are in zip format. I'm not opening them.



By: look busy

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:49:45 -0800

Already down, at least for me right now.



By: fandango_matt

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:52:05 -0800

Flagged as farking lame.



By: Salmonberry

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:53:05 -0800

Works here. Just tiff files of the records, really.



By: The Deej

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:53:17 -0800

It's there for me. But holy hell-on-a-water-flume, I am not about to start downloading random zip file to read phone logs. Someone else do it, and paste in the juicy parts.



By: krash2fast

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:57:56 -0800

They are zipped tiff files, and yes, it's a pain in the ass. But I couldn't let the fucking actual phone logs go without a mention on the blue. My apologies to those like fandango_matt who think evidence that can incriminate hundreds of the criminal vultures in Washington is "farking lame."



By: H-Bar

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:58:50 -0800

Is there any explanation for the gaps in those timeframes?



By: Mayor Curley

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:59:26 -0800

This would be great if I were Rain Man and had memorized the fucking phone book. Random phone numbers and the large cities they're in are meaningless.



By: nervousfritz

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:02:26 -0800

If you don't care about it, yesterday's column at linkfilter may help you to be outraged.



By: meta_eli

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:02:45 -0800

Johns are "criminal vultures"? I imagine them more like sad, old men.



By: The Deej

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:03:14 -0800

My apologies to those like fandango_matt who think evidence that can incriminate hundreds of the criminal vultures in Washington is "farking lame." posted by krash2fast Well, I'm just pissed cuz my interface does not even have a "farking lame" flag. I heard that the reason we didn't hear much about these before, after tons of buildup, was that there were no big names that anyone cared about, and the biggest names were media folks. "Nothing to see here... honest! Nope, nothing at all! Trust me, I'm the media!"



By: procrastination

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:03:29 -0800

I would also point out that these numbers are from 5+ years ago. Don't jump to conclusions that the same person still has the same phone number.



By: Clave

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:05:12 -0800

There are some pretty big gaps in those records. All the Sprint records from 1997 and 2001, ATT Q4 2000 and Q1 2003. Maybe they're in there somewhere -- the file naming scheme isn't really very friendly.



By: caddis

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:07:39 -0800

This would be great if I were Rain Man and had memorized the fucking phone book. Random phone numbers and the large cities they're in are meaningless. posted by Mayor Curley at 9:59 PM on July 9 [+] [!] Well, some folks might put in some effort, say like reporters. Jeeez.



By: exogenous

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:13:07 -0800

If your computer does not have a "pkunzip.exe" file to open these records, then you need to download a free version from PKWare. What is this, 1985?



By: Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:13:52 -0800

Holy shit I thought I gave her my cell number.



By: ColdChef

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:15:17 -0800

Holy crap! Looks like she was fucking someone at Domino's Pizza!



By: delmoi

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:22:03 -0800

DAVID VITTER For immediate release July 9, 2007 Vitter Issues Statement U.S. Sen. David Vitter made the following statement today about his telephone number being on the old phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates prior to his running for the U.S. Senate. He respectfully requests that the statement be used in full without editing or paraphrasing. "This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there-with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way," Vitter said.



By: krash2fast

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:23:24 -0800

Johns are "criminal vultures"? I imagine them more like sad, old men. posted by meta_eli at 10:02 PM on July 9 [+] [!] Not most of them. I was referring to the assholes that are "elected" (not too sure since HAVA) to represent the people of this country and who regularly work directly against the interests of the people. I'm all for hanging the bastards on any hook we can find. If it's endangering national security by opening oneself up to the possibility of blackmail, fine. Lock 'em up.



By: desjardins

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:25:10 -0800

If you don't care about it, yesterday's column at linkfilter may help you to be outraged. [nervousfritz] Not really. What does this case have to do with street prostitution?



By: jason's_planet

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:31:31 -0800

The site has crashed.



By: nomisxid

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:32:43 -0800

I so wish you'd used a coral cache link, so we could still see something...



By: fandango_matt

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:33:16 -0800

posted by desjardins What does this case have to do with street prostitution? Misplaced outrage.



By: zardoz

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:33:58 -0800

This post: points for breaking the news first. Minus points for having to download random files to get to the meat of the story. I'll wait until the journalists working on this piece right now have distilled it to something more manageable to look into.



By: puke & cry

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:36:07 -0800

The cache still works, as far as I can see.



By: ericb

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:36:47 -0800

Accused D.C. Madam Releases Phone Records
"The phone records of the accused D.C. Madam have been posted online and are available for public viewing. Deborah Jeane Palfrey's attorney, Montgomery Blair Sibley, tells WTOP he changed his plan of distributing the information -- which includes calls from 1994-2006 -- only to journalists after he learned of one organization's plan to post the numbers in their entirety. Sibley says after he began distributing CDs with the information, he was alerted that their security coding wasn't sophisticated enough to prevent hacking, and it would be easy to make someone's number appear on the list even if it hadn't been originally. When he initially offered the records to journalists and bloggers last week, it was with the condition that the information would not be posted in its entirety. 'I sent out 54 discs with the records on them,' Sibley says. '[Monday] morning, we got calls and emails saying there wasn't any security on the coding and the numbers were going to be all over the place anyway. I got one email that said the agreement isn't enforceable, and that group intended to release the records for free.' Sibley wouldn't identify the group further than saying it was a D.C.-based organization. When he initially offered the records, Sibley pledged he wouldn't disclose which news organizations received copies. 'It's an evolution from how we planned to put the numbers out,' he says. 'Our original thought of coding each disc so we'd know who violated the agreement wasn't sophisticated enough. It's so easy to accuse somebody, and once you do that, the retraction is useless.' Posting the numbers online does leave him open for criticism, but Sibley says in balancing the evils, this was the correct decision. 'That's why we're putting out the numbers, so there's one official list, and any list that's different can be compared to ours,' he says....''



By: Kibbutz

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:39:11 -0800

C'mon, people--there's a simple solution here. Everybody call the numbers and see who answers. "Hello, Greenspan residence. Alan speaking." I'll do the first 25.



By: longsleeves

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:40:18 -0800

Firce, djou get de money. Den you get the power. Then, you buy sex



By: caddis

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:41:01 -0800

This is great - just in case some Gomers have been flagging this as something that should be deleted. It is actually kind of an important story. So please, back of the deletion button pal.



By: ericb

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:41:38 -0800

I would also point out that these numbers are from 5+ years ago. Don't jump to conclusions that the same person still has the same phone number. Yeah -- just ask Shira Barlow: UCLA student gets Paris Hilton's old cell number, and many calls. NPR interview with Shira. "...she plans on keeping the number."



By: MonkeySaltedNuts

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:42:45 -0800

I've been able to download some files from that site. NOTE: check the size of your downloads. If it is less than 1KB then it is just a html message saying the server is busy and you need to re-download.



By: hwestiii

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:46:29 -0800

Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Apache/1.3.33 Server at deborahjeanepalfrey.com Port 80 Must be popular...



By: ericb

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:47:30 -0800

Vitter Issues Statement The first of many, I suppose. Following Mark Foley, Ted Haggard and others of late, we might expect many similar statements, admissions of "sin," and rehab centers seeing a rise in admissions in the next few weeks.



By: Alvy Ampersand

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:49:11 -0800

"We've traced the calls, they're coming from inside the House!"



By: lometogo

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:49:13 -0800

I think Brendan Behan said it best "The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for money tends to cost a lot less".



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:53:07 -0800

This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling
That's odd. When I spoke to God about this, he told me he didn't forgive Senator Vitter.



By: longsleeves

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:56:02 -0800

"We've traced the calls, they're coming from inside the House!" lol



By: quonsar

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:01:50 -0800

CORTEX DO NOT DELETE THIS THREAD. JESSAMYN DO NOT EDIT THIS THREAD. MATHOWIE DO NOT CLOSE THIS THREAD.



By: JWright

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:01:54 -0800

"We've traced the calls, they're coming from inside the House!" HA!



By: flapjax at midnite

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:09:40 -0800

Johns are "criminal vultures"? I imagine them more like sad, old men. I reckon they were maybe a little happier during some of these little visits, though.






By: lukemeister

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:12:26 -0800

Why is Sen. Vitter "of Vallejo, California" if he grew up in New Orleans and is a Senator from Louisiana? Glad to see he's Giuliani's Southern Regional Chair.



By: Riki tiki

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:12:34 -0800

I support the release of this list as a way to weed out the hypocritical crusaders in our government. However, as someone who has never used prostitution services but would support legalization, I feel slightly bad for the everyday johns who are going to get their private lives trotted out into the limelight at the same time; the guys who weren't pretending they were icons of morality, but still wouldn't have wanted a permanent label like this.



By: clevershark

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:13:19 -0800

I grabbed the files, I'll run one of them through an OCR program just for kicks.



By: Heywood Mogroot

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:14:43 -0800

"I don't believe there's any issue [federal marriage amendment] that's more important than this one," said Sen. David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican. "I think this debate is very healthy, and it's winning a lot of hearts and minds. I think we're going to show real progress." Yet another Old-Testament-for-thee, not-for-me Republican exposed. Praise Jesus!



By: clevershark

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:15:27 -0800

"Why is Sen. Vitter 'of Vallejo, California' if he grew up in New Orleans and is a Senator from Louisiana?" He's not, but the DC Madam is. Most of her outgoing calls seem to be to that particular city.



By: Pastabagel

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:16:16 -0800

Link is dead. I volunteer to call numbers, if someone can get me a list.



By: 2sheets

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:16:23 -0800

LOL HYPOCTRITES



By: Mach5

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:16:56 -0800

TORRENT!



By: Mach5

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:17:28 -0800

gah. its dead.



By: Mach5

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:18:30 -0800

SEEDED TORRENT!



By: H-Bar

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:19:39 -0800

The AT&T records only list numbers called, not any incoming numbers. There could still be some useful information there, but not nearly as much as we might hope. The Cingular records clearly list the numbers for both incoming and outgoing calls. This could be a goldmine, even though it only covers a one-year timeframe. The Sprint records don't label any calls as incoming or outgoing. Either they don't make the distinction on these records, or incoming calls don't get put on the list at all. But there's a charge listed with each call, so I'd guess it's outgoing only. This only applies to the first three files I opened. It's possible that these companies modified their record formats over the years.



By: clevershark

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:20:49 -0800

OCR isn't terribly useful here, the tiff files aren't very good quality. They have to be eyeballed. Some of these files are 50-page fax images.



By: stbalbach

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:22:17 -0800

"Alas! Where love is concerned, self-interested deception is superior to the truth itself, which is why so many men pay so high a price to clever deceivers." Honore de Balzac, The Black Sheep (1842)



By: lukemeister

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:22:30 -0800

Mach5 - Your link shows no seeders, but several jiggling sexy singles.



By: puke & cry

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:23:57 -0800

There's 1 seeder, actually.



By: clevershark

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:29:42 -0800

Google some of those numbers. You'll have a good laugh.



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:32:20 -0800

Google some of those numbers. You'll have a good laugh.
Don't hold us in suspense. Not all of us were able to get the files, and even for those of us that did, there are a billion numbers that you might be talking about.



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:39:31 -0800

more on Vitter (R-Hypocrisy), and the Sanctity of Marriage ABC lied when they said there was no one they recognized--not surprising, sadly.



By: zerolives

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:39:52 -0800

I grabbed the records and put them in a torrent: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3737505 Praise me, internet.



By: ColdChef

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:41:26 -0800

On Friday, Ross broke the news that U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Randall Tobias had frequented the escort service. Ross added new details to that story tonight, recounting how he asked Tobias in a telephone interview "if he knew any of the young women, their names. He said he didn't remember them at all. He said it was like ordering pizza." Under President Bush, Tobias oversaw a program helping men in poor countries "develop healthy relationships with women."



By: H-Bar

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:41:37 -0800

clevershark, what format are you using to google numbers? The only one that's given me any results in xxx-xxx-xxxx format is for an AT&T number that shows up as the caller for all their phone cards. Any different format - parentheses around the area code or a space to separate it - give me useless number-filled webpages rather than anything referring to the phone number I'm looking for.



By: ColdChef

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:42:48 -0800

Vitter Statement on Protecting the Sanctity of Marriage "This is a real outrage. The Hollywood left is redefining the most basic institution in human history, and our two U.S. Senators won't do anything about it. We need a U.S. Senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts's values. I am the only Senate Candidate to coauthor the Federal Marriage Amendment; the only one fighting for its passage. I am the only candidate proposing changes to the senate rules to stop liberal obstructionists from preventing an up or down vote on issues like this, judges, energy, and on and on." stated David Vitter.



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:44:23 -0800

Anyone else famous or powerful? What about Cheney? There were rumors he was on it, on the oldest pages.



By: MonkeySaltedNuts

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:45:24 -0800

.



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:46:03 -0800

I was only able to get a few of the files. The ones that I looked at only have the numbers of outbound calls. Googling them has revealed: (1) A hotel; (2) A lady who works as an escort; (3) A whole lot of nothin'. I assume that a lot, if not the vast majority, of the outbound numbers are going to be such things. The incoming numbers are what I would think would be interesting. Do some of the files have incoming numbers?



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:46:42 -0800

Incidentally, for maximal hypocrisy potential, I would be interested in the calls on September 11, 2001.



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:47:00 -0800

... Randall Tobias, a senior official in the State Department, resigned in April after ABC News confronted him about his use of the escort service. He admitted that he had hired women to come to his Washington condo and give him massages but denied that he had sex with the escorts. Palfrey threatened for months to release her client list, which led prosecutors to accuse her of trying to intimidate potential witnesses. Contending that her escort service was legal, Palfrey revealed details of its operation on ABC's news magazine "20/20" on May 4. At the time, ABC said it could not link any information provided by Palfrey to members of Congress or White House officials but did find links to prominent business executives, NASA officials and at least five military officers. ... So who else was ABC protecting and who are these people?



By: clevershark

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:47:12 -0800

Well that was a bit of an overreaction on my part, but one of the ones I looked up from the Cingular Aug-to-Dec 2005 is listed by Google as the personal number of an anti-terrorism consultant. I'm guessing that guy will NOT be having a good day tomorrow. I've looked up a bunch more that don't have any search result in Google, but there are only 4 or 5 regular numbers that remain a mystery. Nothing THAT exciting (in the 202-224, 202-456 or 202-395 ranges, that is).



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:48:28 -0800

They must have both, or Vitter wouldn't have outed himself, Flunkie.



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:49:07 -0800

Any 08 candidates? Thompson is supposed to be a whore, so he probably paid for it too.



By: davy

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:57:14 -0800

OMG! What if pplz is keeping a PERMANENT RECORD of all the pplz whose DOWNLOADING these filez? Then they'll hunt us down and kill us, just like in The Parallax View!






By: puke & cry

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:00:55 -0800

I was able to download all the files through the cache but I'm seeding that torrent, in case anyone cares.



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:05:54 -0800

March 26, 2004: Vitter "Denies Affair With Prostitute, Says Charges Are Politically Motivated".



By: ColdChef

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:06:02 -0800

Thanks for the link, amberglow. This is gold: Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he'd had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:10:50 -0800

I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me.
Assuming that she followed through on her threat, I wonder if the good Senator is aware that he is now forbidden by the Bible to enter into the congregation of the Lord.



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:12:57 -0800

I love it how the AP story actually never mentions that he was a US Representative at the time, but only says it was before he was in the Senate--our media is appalling. Watch and see if this gets play--i'm betting if it's all GOP names it won't, but any Dem on that list will be frontpage news.



By: lukemeister

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:28:07 -0800

amberglow - So if the prostitute's name had not been Wendy, Vitter would have gone on seeing her? I guess I just can't look at the big picture like a member of Congress can.



By: facetious

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:29:19 -0800

Metafilter: hopefully not a DP!



By: jessamyn

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:53:01 -0800

[edited the post to include the cache link. suck it quonsar.]



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:56:25 -0800

ColdChef, when's he up for re-election?



By: Flunkie

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:58:42 -0800

when's he up for re-election?
2010.



By: daninnj

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:58:47 -0800

Okay, someone get this guy to call all the numbers. Oh wait...



By: LarryC

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:00:46 -0800

Is there a wiki for this project?



By: maxwelton

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:03:24 -0800

A republican hypocrite? This is news! (And I'm with Amberglow. Doubt we'll here much about the republican transgressors from our "liberal" media, but any dems will be utterly roasted.)



By: maxwelton

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:03:54 -0800

hear. Bah.



By: isopraxis

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:09:04 -0800

Ok, now somebody parse the entire list to only include those whom we give a flying shit, or who might have a family we can tear apart in true american fashion. I don't care if they were elected or not. I want the number Jimmy Swaggert called from when he propositioned the purple teletubby for kinky head-triangle sex.



By: isopraxis

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:11:21 -0800

'. . . yes, this is Swimmy Jaggert and I'm calling for the *ahem* "Tinky-Winky" special.



By: taosbat

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:21:43 -0800

Ha! Ha!



By: edverb

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:31:05 -0800

Not like this is any sort of original observation on the matter...but I'm going to put it out there anyway. I'd wager that every American hearing the news of the release of these phone records is doing so with the absolute certainty that it will end careers, and many (if not most) are practically salivating at the prospect of imminent downfalls of the powerful. And I'll admit I'm one of them. And yet... the embarassment, the immorality, the adultery, the hypocrisy, all the things the judgments upon the names on that list will be, at their core these are not sins against the People. Against their spouses, sure. Against their professed morals, in most cases. Against their God, most definitely. The victims of bad, moralizing, demogogic policy remain the same whether the proponents of said policies are on that list or not. But for all the grave wickedness of the crazed Bush years -- state-sanctioned torture, criminal profiteering and corruption, deceiving our nation into a farcical war of aggression, letting an entire city drown and abandoning the survivors, the co-opting and bribery of our media, illegally spying on our own citizens, imprisoning Americans without charges, and subverting justice itself... "Surely this will be the thing" for the people on that list. Have no doubt. It isn't original thinking by any stretch, but it still confounds me as to which sins the American people will forgive, as compared to those which they will not. It's as if there is only one commandment for government. You know the one.



By: amberglow

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:45:00 -0800

And yet... the embarassment, the immorality, the adultery, the hypocrisy, all the things the judgments upon the names on that list will be, at their core these are not sins against the People. For those of us who are the targets of their demonization and legislation, and for those who believe in the promises of the Constitution and rights and justice, etc, their past actions are the sins against the people, and this simply exposes their hypocrisy and lies. They've already cast many many stones, and now they're caught for their own sins. Of course it's not as bad as Bush/Cheney and all the rest, but it's something--it's karma, maybe.



By: Avenger

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:51:44 -0800

It's as if there is only one commandment for government. You know the one. Sex = evil, violence = good?



By: dhartung

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:56:17 -0800

Count me a concern troll, but really, the left has always maintained that sexual relationships are one's own business. I have no joy in seeing the downfall of those who do not deserve it, and only qualified joy in seeing the downfall of those who may deserve it for another reason entirely.



By: Heywood Mogroot

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:06:59 -0800

the left has always maintained that sexual relationships are one's own business more like it's pointless if not counter-productive trying to legislate traditional [eg. Bible-based] morality without over-riding real-world social costs. cf. the Lawrence decision, which the 3 conservatard-approved justices (no doubt Alito & Roberts would join them) dissented. the joy comes in the demonstration that "morality-for-thee but not me" just isn't going to work over the long run. Props to the VERY fundamentalist State Senator from Michigan who said this same thing not too long ago in trying to explain his "anti-family" vote to his angry constituents. (Anybody know the name, I've been trying to google it for ages?)



By: edverb

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:12:12 -0800

Amberglow, of course I agree that it is flat out wrong for a legislator to demonize gay Americans and seek to deprive the rights extended to others simply on the basis of sexual preference. I tried (and probably failed) to make the distinction clearly enough. As abhorrent as that stance is, it has not yet come to pass that these legislators lose their offices over it. In fact, it's quite the opposite -- in some corners of our country, they are rewarded with their offices for that stance. To some, it is not only not a sin, it's a positive virtue. This is why I draw the distinction between bad policy (which is often overlooked or even encouraged) and the solicitation of a prostitute (which is unforgiveable). Likewise -- greed, wrath, pride, deceitfulness, even theft and murder -- are often overlooked, and worse still can be (and amazingly are) spun as virtues! The hiring of prostitutes isn't their sin against the people (though the hypocrisy is delicious). Backwards policies to enshrine bias in our Constitution is the sin against the people -- whether the proponents are hypocrites or they actually believe their own nonsense. And my point is: Guess which one will likely cost David Vitter his job?



By: zerolives

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:23:04 -0800

The wiki is up. Let's do some collaborative citizen journalism. Full Disclosure: I registered the domain and put up the site.



By: five fresh fish

Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:49:07 -0800

Are the files sensibly named? It'd be nice if it were dead easy to verify the tiff images against the wiki page.