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I never said that allowing terrorists to remain in...

2007-07-11T09:48:00.000-07:00

I never said that allowing terrorists to remain in an area until they won or were sent packing was a good idea, it just seems to be the only thing that seems to be working at this point.

Indeed, the only way it can be managed at all, is like you pointed out, allowing it in a small limited area without a danger of overflow, and there are not a lot of places where this an be accomplished effectively.

And should we completely withdraw from Iraq, the "not a lot" will become "none at all."

But I am sure that Democratic leadership has a new, more effective plan to unveil, otherwise why would they be attempting to undercut Petraeus at every turn.



x4mr,I am a firm believer in the power of commerce...

2007-07-11T07:42:00.000-07:00

x4mr,

I am a firm believer in the power of commerce and trade to create long-term stable relationships as opposed to the power of the sword.

I've said this elsewhere, but I really believe we would be far better served if we invested, say, $30 billion a year for the next 20 years providing teachers and tools to educate people around he world. Those people would grow up with better tools and a better appreciation for America and American values (such as democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.).

Unfortunately, we don't tend to think in such long-term perspectives. We don't want to wait 20 or 30 years for the payoff, we want it now, or next year at least.



Framer,1st time for everything :)For some reason I...

2007-07-11T07:37:00.000-07:00

Framer,

1st time for everything :)

For some reason I feel I should note I am not an unabashed Israeli supporter ... I really feel Israels behavior regarding West Bank settlements is wrong, and there can't be any lasting peace in the region until those are removed and some arrangement for at least some form of shared access to the principle holy sites in Jerusalem is reached.

I am not sure I agree that the events in Gaza provide some ort of blue print which can be applied elsewhere -- Gaza has certain special attributes. Primary among them are it small area geographically and that a significantly more powerful state with significant interest in the affairs controls access to the area. That's not really true elsewhere.



Excellent post, and like Framer, I concur. Declar...

2007-07-10T21:29:00.000-07:00

Excellent post, and like Framer, I concur. Declaring commitment to the destruction of a state pretty much cements the destruction of a good relationship with that state. Hello?

It works that way with people, too.

I am not a Middle East expert. My math matches Anwar Sadat's. The smart move is letting Israel be, making peace, and better yet, establishing commerce and collaboration. That's been the smart move for decades. I'm not sure why they don't get it.

Bush's axis of evil declaration was just as stupid. People respond to threats by preparing to defend themselves.



Sirocco,Amazingly, I agree 100% with everything yo...

2007-07-10T15:24:00.000-07:00

Sirocco,

Amazingly, I agree 100% with everything you have written, at least until the last paragraph.

In fact, it seems that there is only one sure way to combat Terrorism, and this appears to be it. The tactic looks to be to isolate terrorists inside a populace that might normally look the other way, and allow it free reign among that citizenry. Sooner or later they will wind up rejecting it and fighting back, or they will submit. If they reject it, it is a win. If they submit, it is a different thing entirely.

Wins look to be recent events in Somalia, the eradication of pro Al Queda groups in Lebanon (still a long ways to go here), and Sunni rejection of Al Queda in the Anbar province of Iraq.

Gaza looks to be a loss, however, and in those cases it is a great tragedy. The only bright spot is that freed from Gaza, the West Bank may move away from Hamas influence, at least incrementally.

The other problem is that this strategy cannot be risked in certain places like Pakistan and to a certain extent Saudi Arabia. It's too bad about Saudi Arabia, because it sure would be justice to have them live in the filth that they have been exporting.

The other sad thing as this will apply 100% among many European countries as well, and maybe the United States.

What a mess. And there is less political will to deal with this issue than immigration. Even the best case solutions are bleak.