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Apologies! Link is on my name above:)Thanks

2008-02-14T20:35:00.000+00:00

Apologies! Link is on my name above:)
Thanks



HiI discovered charliegrrl's blog last week, by ac...

2008-02-14T20:06:00.000+00:00

Hi

I discovered charliegrrl's blog last week, by accident. If you'd like to find out what happened when I posted a comment as an openly transgendered person, please click on the link to my website below:
http://www.morethan2genders.com/page19.htm#19823
Thank you & best wishes
Katie/David



Just found you!Expect to be making you my regular ...

2007-05-05T12:35:00.000+01:00

Just found you!
Expect to be making you my regular reading from now on.



btw, verte, what's going on with the "let them eat...

2007-05-01T23:34:00.000+01:00

btw, verte, what's going on with the "let them eat..." space?



uh, iow, what sde said, pretty much.as per just ig...

2007-05-01T23:26:00.000+01:00

uh, iow, what sde said, pretty much.

as per just ignore--i mean, there are different "thems." i don't think it's wise to "just ignore" someone at the level of a Catherine MacKinnon, say; on the other hand i think the fappings of some internet fool(s) who clearly can't find their ass with both hands and a map and no one's really paying attention to them anyway--well, it's time at least to maybe "examine" what we're really getting out of engaging with them.

because, there's "stuff that impacts the body politic," and then there's "working out our own shit via intranets flamewars."

and i'm not saying those things are so very easily delineated, mind you;

nonetheless, i am more and more convinced that they are in fact two different things.



I think though that the best way to counter this i...

2007-05-01T23:23:00.000+01:00

I think though that the best way to counter this is to work harder on building a movement of our own; and/or join up with already-existent movements, build coalitions. Yes, you can't just ignore them; but you also can't just keep reacting to them, because it lets them frame the terms of the debate. know what I'm saying?



I have to agree with Cassandra, in that the "radfe...

2007-05-01T03:41:00.000+01:00

I have to agree with Cassandra, in that the "radfem" side have succeeded in the past in setting their agenda as being the public face of feminism, to the extent that some media will question whether it is possible to be "true" feminist and question the "radfem" perspective - if they do present an alternative feminist viewpoint, it is always with a subtext of "look what an unusual creature we've found"

Partly, I suppose, it would be possible to ascribe this to patriarchal propaganda: present the challenge to the existing order as being extremist, fanatical, absurd; but partly, it is also to do with the fact that the "radfems" seem very willing to scream at the tops of their voices to get attention.

I am not sure we need to engage directly with them, though - it isn't possible to ignore them completely, but the best path forward may be just to make sure we have loud voices too, expressing a different model of feminist thought from theirs.



What's troubling me about all this is that it's st...

2007-04-30T22:32:00.000+01:00

What's troubling me about all this is that it's starting to look like a pattern. Whether or not the women who made Verte cry during a debate was Charliegrrl, it was clearly someone coming from the same philisophical position, and CG clearly doesn't care that Verte was hurt by what happened. The thread at WWs place is full of people who are quite willing to hurt Ren to get what they want. And the question then becomes...how is this feminism?
I know I keep banging on the same drum, and it's partly because I have a lot of contact with younger women (mid teens through mid twenties) and hear what they say about feminism, but...we can't afford to just ignore these people. We can't afford to ignore them because in the eyes of the mainstream they ARE feminism. Most people think that the issues those women focus on are the only ones any of us care about. Sure, it's a dumb stereotype, but it's out there, and I think that all the recent crap is all abuot making sure that things stay that way. A small group of radfems has siezed the microphone and is actively trying to silence other feminists, to make sure that their voices are the ones that get heard. That's a problem, not least because it's turning young women away from feminism in droves.



...what's important isn't appealing to their nonex...

2007-04-28T04:45:00.000+01:00

...what's important isn't appealing to their nonexistent reason or empathy; what's important is making sure the audience is on your side, and not just inclined to write the whole thing off as "infighting" when it really does involve one faction actively going out of its way to harass the other.



well--treat them like any other trolls or disrupto...

2007-04-28T04:43:00.000+01:00

well--treat them like any other trolls or disruptors, i guess.



I'm beginning to think we should just ignore them....

2007-04-28T01:42:00.000+01:00

I'm beginning to think we should just ignore them. If I could think of some way to protect Ren from the potential outing that being discussed, I would do it. But I think that the people in question are absolutely convinced that what they're doing is OK. No amount of making drama is going to calm them down, and making it may just be likely to bring the hammer down on our friends.