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I also am extremely doubtful about whether the Ano...

2007-08-30T13:27:00.000-05:00

I also am extremely doubtful about whether the Anonymous episode was at all for the good. They couched their "humor" in racist and misogynist terms, because those things are so obviously funny. Just like Michael Kramer, right? Lynching jokes are a real laugh riot. So, we have people with this very retrograde worldview (whether they'd admit it or not) attacking rad-fem which can be milked for sympathy, and I know we're going to be hearing about it for years.

Ayuh, sums it up.

"plague on both your houses" doesn't sell real well these days i guess...



Good call, especially if you're asking them of the...

2007-08-30T07:23:00.000-05:00

Good call, especially if you're asking them of the source of that particular comment. although, I dunno, trying to communicate with a "Mars Attacks!" alien: is the feeling "depression," exactly, when one has received its response?

It depresses me when I think that this whole situation arises because these women use feminism as a cover for perpetuating hierarchies of race, class, ableism, and gender socialization (the transphobic things I read from the white rad-fem blogging community is enough to make one's hair stand up on end).

I also am extremely doubtful about whether the Anonymous episode was at all for the good. They couched their "humor" in racist and misogynist terms, because those things are so obviously funny. Just like Michael Kramer, right? Lynching jokes are a real laugh riot. So, we have people with this very retrograde worldview (whether they'd admit it or not) attacking rad-fem which can be milked for sympathy, and I know we're going to be hearing about it for years. Any criticism of the rad-fems is now going to be met with "Well, you're just as bad as Anonymous" and any potential dissent is going to be ignored all because of a bunch of het up jackasses who wouldn't know Mary Daly from Tyne Daly decided to stick their collective oar in.

That depresses me, but perhaps I'm being too pessimistic. However, in dealing with the rad-fem community (which is an outright mockery of the real radical, anti-authoritarian feminists I know) I've found that one can never be too pessimistic.



Bint... this is perfect. You win. You just freakin...

2007-08-28T15:19:00.000-05:00

Bint... this is perfect. You win. You just freaking WIN.



Hi Bint, Michelle (from the discussion about gayne...

2007-08-26T16:24:00.000-05:00

Hi Bint, Michelle (from the discussion about gayness with your daughter here, now I know that anonymous is not the only other option :)

Anyway, here's a (slightly edited for the typos I saw after posting, though some of them have gone invisible again in this comment box) copy of a comment I just posted at Kevin's, FYI. It is as much in response to your entry as to what's going on over there. Arrrrrrgh!!!
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Occasional lurker here. So I'm reading these comments and the ones over at bint's.

And: I'm not saying anything new in this comment, I don't think, just expressing some ... frustration, I guess.

So. IMO:

White women participating in and condoning attacks against other women, esp women of color, and then turning around and crying "someone is hurting **me** now, you must CARE!" is IMO a form of gendered racism. The specific construction of white female-ness in a white supremacist patriarchal society is totally rearing its head here.

And the fact that the white radfems are under attack does not, IMO, remove them from responsibility for how they are in their actions perpetuating these systems of domination. Nor does it erase the context and other pieces of the puzzle of how oppression and domination is actually playing out here.

Of course, they have a theory that removes them from responsibility. But that doesn't mean that these issues are actually irrelevant, it just means that the radfems and others who would uncritically support their actions have found ways to deny their relevance.

I believe that ALL of these dynamics are important to look at at the same time; they are connected. IMO it doesn't make sens to stand up as ally to "women" and be selective -- not recognize that women of color are women too and that white women participate in perpetuating the system too. It's part of the reality, the *whole* reality, of what is going on (not just "we deal with X over here and Y over there"). And white women being under attack should not be used an an excuse for selective vision of all of what is going on.

I don't understand why anyone would have to pick and choose which parts of the reality to deal with when all of these things are connected.

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Again, nothing new in what I'm saying, just ... it's so frustrating and ugly. This script: We must all pick and choose what we decide to deal with at any given time, and so if we are choosing to deal with *this*, we can't simultaneously deal with *that* even if it is part of the same larger picture of dynamics of domination?

And anyone who says "that is also part of the picture" is what -- some sort of meanie? Grr.



Heart is still using this whole thing as her raiso...

2007-08-26T13:48:00.000-05:00

Heart is still using this whole thing as her raison d'être. We are NEVER going to hear the end of it, unfortunately.



On reflection, I probably don't want to know the a...

2007-08-26T02:35:00.000-05:00

On reflection, I probably don't want to know the answer to those questions; it would depress me too much.

Good call, especially if you're asking them of the source of that particular comment. although, I dunno, trying to communicate with a "Mars Attacks!" alien: is the feeling "depression," exactly, when one has received its response?



Something new has come up.Has anyone seen Heart's ...

2007-08-25T23:43:00.000-05:00

Something new has come up.
Has anyone seen Heart's post Traveling While Poor? Now, the whole post isn't what I'm looking at--it's the posted cost for her trip.
She spent $615 total on plane and bus tickets for herself and her daughter. Now, if you look at her Getting to Michigan post...
She said she needed $1,236. In comment 17 she says she has already collected $879. That is the last time she actually says how much she has collected.
But in comment 35 she says she still needed $200 more. And in #40 she said she needed $110 more.
So, what did she do with all that extra money?
According to what she implies in her Traveling While Poor post she spent it on jewelry, books, soaps, handmade clothing, Festie wear, etc.

Apparently this is a valid use of the money donated to her because she spent it at women's shops...
Funny how she didn't post the great deal she got until a few weeks after the post asking for twice the amount. Moreover, she bought things--which is quite different from donating money.



Bint & Kevin:Ya both still rock and roll in my boo...

2007-08-25T14:32:00.000-05:00

Bint & Kevin:

Ya both still rock and roll in my book.



Hey Bint, just clearing more things up. It's all c...

2007-08-25T12:54:00.000-05:00

Hey Bint, just clearing more things up. It's all clear to me now. I was a tad baffled at why you thought I wasn't going to allow you to comment on my blog anymore, and then I noticed that you had comments in my spam queue today. Y'see, any comment with more than three links instantly gets marked as spam because that's a common characteristic of spam. Unfortunately, I only check the spam queue every other day or so, so sometimes legitimate comments get stuck there. So sorry. I wasn't removing your comments. The blog thought you were spam is all.



Women are not allowed to play this game, ok?So whi...

2007-08-25T11:58:00.000-05:00

Women are not allowed to play this game, ok?

So white women weren't expressing an oppressive power over Black men when they got them lynched for "insulting" said white women? Or is it the rad-fem position that they were merely pawns of white men, because they lacked cultural authority to go out and string up Blacks themselves? Or that they deserved it because they're all slavering bundles of mere sexual instinct?

On reflection, I probably don't want to know the answer to those questions; it would depress me too much.

I can't fault Kevin either, because he's clearly wanting to establish that denial-of-service attacks to say nothing of threats of rape and murder are absolutely out of the bounds of acceptable behavior. I wish we didn't live in a world where that kind of opposition to this brutal behavior has to be made explicit, but we do. However, I think kudos is due to you for pointing out that many of these people deserve censure for what they say, even when we are rallying to support their free speech.



Bint - 1) I don't hate you. Nor am I mad at you. Y...

2007-08-24T14:25:00.000-05:00

Bint -

1) I don't hate you. Nor am I mad at you. You'll have to do much more than express your opinion to get me to hate you. Although luring small children into a crawlspace, etc., would be a good start. :)

2) You are, of course, always welcome to post on my blog.

3) I don't think that condemning Anon's actions means that I'm excusing the bad behavior of Stormcloud, Pony, or anyone else. I know that's not what you're saying here, but I wanted to make that clear.

4) I apologize for the boring, list-style comment, but I have to go to work and can't comment extensively until later tonight and this seemed the easiest way to do so.


Kevin



Ren, I am still fuming over what they did to you. ...

2007-08-24T13:11:00.000-05:00

Ren, I am still fuming over what they did to you. I refuse to let that shit just remain ignored while everyone sheds tears over the poor, poor oppressed special white ladies posse. I don't care if everyone hates me for saying all this stuff but I am still not going to pretend to be upset about this happening to them.



I feel bad this is happening with Kevin, he is an ...

2007-08-24T11:36:00.000-05:00

I feel bad this is happening with Kevin, he is an upstanding gent in all ways.

But for this post, I do have to thank you.



"Hey, at least -I- never lured small children into...

2007-08-24T10:10:00.000-05:00

"Hey, at least -I- never lured small children into a crawlspace, killed and then ate them! Go me!"

That's quite possibly the best compliment evar. I heart you.

Frankly, I haven't touched this one because it doesn't help anything to give ED a more inflated sense of themselves. I mean really, the "we are legion" crap just comes across as pretty desperate at a point.

I agree with what Kevin is saying...that progressive bloggers can have no quarter with folks who are willing to shut down discussions, by DOS, by threats, by whatever...

Is heart being disingenuous in her complaints? Yeah, i'd say so. But stopped clocks are still right twice a day.



...of course, at this point I gather it's a bit mo...

2007-08-24T04:39:00.000-05:00

...of course, at this point I gather it's a bit more personal than empathy for the womenfolk, seeing as how the charming l'il munchkins have been gleefully smacking the shiny bright red "racist epithets, whee!" button.

as I said over at AP's, one begins to feel a bit more sympathy for the "abortion into the 42nd trimester" position after a bit. I don't mean for poor Brandon, of course. But...for the wee bargain-basement Cartmans who think recycled Andrew Dice Clay routines are hi-larious, especially when flinging them at individual adults who happen to be getting in the way of their dubious fun. The little dears, the little dears.

"Of course your mother doesn't love you, snookums; no one does, how could they? You're horrible. Now fetch me my knitting needle."



I mean, now that the smelling salts and Dudley Do-...

2007-08-24T03:01:00.000-05:00

I mean, now that the smelling salts and Dudley Do-Rights and all seem to be doing their job, one might hope that some wimmin could put a pause on the endless litany of the Wrong They Been Done to take -two minutes- to maybe acknowledge that some of the -myriad- of people who have bones to pick with them, might actually have legitimate bones. Not holding my breath, though.



"She's got a point there, kids."At the same time, ...

2007-08-24T02:57:00.000-05:00

"She's got a point there, kids."

At the same time, I don't blame Kevin; he was being a mensch, is all, same as he's been for any number of feminists and women--friends and otherwise--who've been attacked in other circumstances. And as I just told some earnest little nony, um, no, no one's buying that all of y'all were -just- concerned about potential child abuse; hey, flooding strangers with hateful trolls and DoS attacks and even cruelly crank calling the kid, dude, here comes the frigging Nobel Committe, really.

on the other hand, yeah, Heart, maybe none of y'all have specifically threatened/trolled someone with rape and penetrating the knife wounds; but, somehow, (starting with the litany right here; there's plenty more), I -don't- think you get a medal for that -either.-

"Hey, at least -I- never lured small children into a crawlspace, killed and then ate them! Go me!"

Terrific.